Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 I spent too much time trying to gather scattered thermodynamic and solubility data from various sources and to recover the correct formulas from my 80+ pages of Chem 2 notes, and when I tried to put it all together I ended up with some sort of error calculating it, so I'll have to check it out again tomorrow when I'm not so tired. But we should be able to calculate how boiling would increase the solubility equilibrium for calcium carbonate and calcium phosphate with K=e^(-detaGstandard/RT) for T=373K (boiling) if one gets the standard change in free energy from a selected thermodynamic data chart. In the meantime, it seems clear to me that if the collagen dissolves, it's simply impossible for the calcium salts to remain in the bone. I suspect that any associated salts would come out with the collagen, and any remaining salts remain with their associated collagen. The leftover bone is probably that, plus other connective tissue like the dense irregular connective tissue that makes up the periosteum. Considering that collagen is an absolutely massive molecule compared to the ionic salts that accumulate with it, and that these salts make small enough crystals to fit inbetween the spaces in collagen fibers, it seems utterly counter-intuative to me that big collagen molecules can fall right out with these tiny salts suspended in-- what, air? That seems to me like removing your shelves and expecting your books to remain in place, or removing a Chinese Checkers board from underneath the marbles and expecting them to remain in position. From Grabowski, _Principles of Anatomy and Physiology_, 2003: " It was once thought that calcification simply occurred when enough mineral salts were present to form crystals. Now, however, we know that the process occurs only in the presence of collagen fibers. Mineral salts begin to crystalize in the microscopic spaces between collagen fibers. After the spaces are filled, mineral crystals accumulate around the collagen fibers. The combination of crystallized salts and collagen fibers is responsible for the hardness that is characteristic of bone. Although a bone's hardness depends on the crystallized inorganic mineral salts, a bone's flexibility depends on its collagen fibers. Like reinforcing metal rods in concrete, collagen fibers and other organic molecules provide tensile strength, which is resistance to being stretched or torn apart. Soaking a bone in an acidic solution, such as vinegar, dissolves its mineral salts, causing the bone to become rubbery and flexible. " Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.