Re: Is liver flushing traditional?

[Guest guest]

i was thinking about this last night after a week of research and talking

to my naturopath...

it seems to me that al people wouldn't have had to do the

flush - they didn't eat the stuff that causes this problem.

*however* it is very traditional to do liver cleansing things in the spring

- generally herbal tonics, etc, in european/northern areas. i don't know

what they did in places like africa/amazon...

-katja

At 09:30 AM 2/13/2004, you wrote:

>Is it?

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>Are there people groups (especially as documented by Dr. Price) who

>traditionally practiced flushing of their liver/gallbladder?

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>If you have read Dr. Cowan's piece about the gallbladder on the WAPF

>site, it makes it sound like eating plenty of natural fat is a good

>way to *prevent* gallstones. In other words, if you keep bile

>flowing by giving it something to work on, then the chances of

>getting a clogged gallbladder are minimized.

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>If we NTers are eating enough natural fat, why would we need to flush

>our livers/gallbladders?

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[Guest guest]

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>If we NTers are eating enough natural fat, why would we need to flush

>our livers/gallbladders?

I don't know whether flushes are (or can be) helpful, but if they are, I'd

imagine they are for people who came to NT-style eating relatively recently

and have years of bad diet to recover from.

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[Guest guest]

Katja,

Quite a few of the first wild plants of spring in northern altitudes are

bitter, liver and blood cleansing herbs. Dandelion probably the most used

now. Was and still should be common practice to graze like cows, eat grass

like dogs to clean the sluggish winter body out.

> *however* it is very traditional to do liver cleansing things in the

spring

> - generally herbal tonics, etc, in european/northern areas. i don't know

> what they did in places like africa/amazon...

Wanita

[Guest guest]

yep - that was exactly what i had in mind. there are some less obvious

herbs too, like comfrey root, licorice root, etc. i'm pretty solid on all

the northern habitat things, it's the southern stuff i'm kinda clueless

about. it seems to me that when we talk about " native nutrition " , we're

focusing more on africa and south america, simply because that's where

" native " lasted longer - so we could study it more easily. but i'm a

northern-kinda-girl so i tend to adapt things in that direction.

At 10:58 AM 2/13/2004, you wrote:

>Katja,

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>Quite a few of the first wild plants of spring in northern altitudes are

>bitter, liver and blood cleansing herbs. Dandelion probably the most used

>now. Was and still should be common practice to graze like cows, eat grass

>like dogs to clean the sluggish winter body out.

>

> > *however* it is very traditional to do liver cleansing things in the

>spring

> > - generally herbal tonics, etc, in european/northern areas. i don't know

> > what they did in places like africa/amazon...

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>Wanita

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[Guest guest]

>>If you have read Dr. Cowan's piece about the gallbladder on the WAPF

>>site, it makes it sound like eating plenty of natural fat is a good

>>way to *prevent* gallstones. In other words, if you keep bile

>>flowing by giving it something to work on, then the chances of

>>getting a clogged gallbladder are minimized.

Anything that irritates the EXIT to the gallbladder tends to

cause gallstones too. It exits into the upper intestine, and

all those nice food allergies, lack of HCL, bacterial problems,

cause a lot of irritation which seems to be able to block

the exit. People with celiac tend to have enlarged gall

bladders (one article suggested using ultrasound,

measuring the size of the gallbladder and distention

of the upper intestine and diagnostic tools).

Wheat is extremely irritating to the gut for a lot of

people (few people can really digest gliadin correctly,

even if they aren't allergic to it, and most people don't

eat sourdough bread exclusively). The US subsists on a very

high wheat diet. The other grains, fructose, and other

foods might have similar issues. It's not really a wonder

to me that we have gall bladder and liver problems, regardless

of the fat content of the diet!

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>I don't know whether flushes are (or can be) helpful, but if they are, I'd

>imagine they are for people who came to NT-style eating relatively recently

>and have years of bad diet to recover from.

Liver flushes are definitely helpful, my own experience and hundreds of others

that I have read as well as friends of mine have proven that to me. As others

have said, people on traditional diets wouldn't have had liver/gall bladder

problems because they had a good /balanced diet. It's possibly all the

chemicals in our food and environment that also cause a sluggish liver.

The earliest liver flush I have heard of was an older woman during the second

world war. She was having bad gall bladder attacks but surgery was impossible.

Her doctor told her how to do the olive oil/lemon juice flush. She successfully

passed her stones and never had any more problems. This was Dushan's

grandmother. Dushan was the main person who started the curezone. Her story is

on the curezone site. So I would say the liver flush has been around for a long

time. But once again surgery and medical intervention has taken over but

generally causes more problems.

- Filippa

[Guest guest]

Katja,

WAP's groups were all where there is no winter except for the Gaelic, Swiss

and Inuit. Have always tried to stick with learning as much as I can about

plants here which is hard enough. Kind of comes from reading about

Culpepper, a European herbalist in 16th century, IIRC who felt within 10

miles of wherever you are is a plant that will cure whatever disease you

could get there. That doesn't account for paving the planet either. :-) Even

at the equator there is a winter when less grows fresh. My most southern

ancestry is France with 300 years in Canada first before here. Probably in

France where there was winter and mountains.

> yep - that was exactly what i had in mind. there are some less obvious

> herbs too, like comfrey root, licorice root, etc. i'm pretty solid on all

> the northern habitat things, it's the southern stuff i'm kinda clueless

> about. it seems to me that when we talk about " native nutrition " , we're

> focusing more on africa and south america, simply because that's where

> " native " lasted longer - so we could study it more easily. but i'm a

> northern-kinda-girl so i tend to adapt things in that direction.

Wanita