Re: Sucide running in families?

[Guest guest]

>> From what I have read there is a greater incidence of suicide in those

> taking cholesterol lowering medications, and other drugs also, I'm

> sure.

> Interesting, but not unexpected, that there is no mention of it here.

Zocor made me really depressed, and my uncle the ER doc took

[Guest guest]

There has been some mention (but not enough, in my opinion) in " the press "

of the research showing a correlation between low cholesterol (below 160)

and higher rates of suicide and violent death. (The one study I recall was

done at Univ of Hawaii I think, involving older men.) IMHO, the idea that

you can't push your cholesterol " too low " is irresponsible and dangerous.

More troubling is the difficulty in finding solid advice on how to _raise_

your cholesterol, once you find that it has dropped too low.

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>From what I have read there is a greater incidence of suicide in those

taking cholesterol lowering medications, and other drugs also, I'm sure.

Interesting, but not unexpected, that there is no mention of it here.

Judith Alta

[Guest guest]

And the mainstream press is NOT going to mention such a thing unless it will

benefit them HUGELY!

There is too much drug advertising money at risk.

Judith Alta

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From: CF Beaver [mailto:fletcher@...]

There has been some mention (but not enough, in my opinion) in " the press "

of the research showing a correlation between low cholesterol (below 160)

and higher rates of suicide and violent death. (The one study I recall was

done at Univ of Hawaii I think, involving older men.) IMHO, the idea that

you can't push your cholesterol " too low " is irresponsible and dangerous.

More troubling is the difficulty in finding solid advice on how to _raise_

your cholesterol, once you find that it has dropped too low.

-----Original Message-----

>From what I have read there is a greater incidence of suicide in those

taking cholesterol lowering medications, and other drugs also, I'm sure.

Interesting, but not unexpected, that there is no mention of it here.

Judith Alta

[Guest guest]

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/469167?mpid=24936

<<From what I have read there is a greater incidence of suicide in those taking

cholesterol lowering medications, and other drugs also, I'm sure. Interesting,

but not unexpected, that there is no mention of it here.>>

Judith,

My brother actually did a paper on the subject [he's a psychiatrist] so I took

the liberty of asking him... here's a summary of what he said --

There's some data about the relation between low cholesterol, suicidal ideations

and actual suicide rate. however he could not conclude a definite relation to

medications or base line cholesterol levels... he didn't have any statistics at

hand... said I should google for that.... his view is that reliable data on the

subject is difficult to come by...the variables are too numerous....

he added that eating, sometimes has to do with a " need " for serotonin increase,

or indicating a hidden eating disorder, hormonal imbalance, depression, stress,

habits (obsessions...), nervousness etc... there are cultural variables too, the

kind of food one eats, physical activity, food intake versus energy output,

idiosyncratic reactions to medications, etc. ....all these variables and

others, are very much related to that issue but it seems no clear conclusion

could be drawn.

my personal guess is that there's a direct relation between suicide, suicidal

ideations and nutritional health status... zinc deficiency probably plays a big

part and over consumption of wheat resulting in such deficiencies should be

there too to consider...

Dedy

[Guest guest]

No argument that many things can contribute to suicide other than

cholesterol lowering drugs. I also believe that many of them, but not all,

can be related to diet.

On page 238 of his book, " The Cholesterol Myths, " Dr. Uffe Ravnskov details

the cholesterol studies that show greater incidence of suicide in the test

subjects. He says, " In none of these studies was the difference

statistically significant, but all (of the mentioned) studies pointed in the

same direction. "

It is certainly something to consider if your doctor wants you taking a

cholesterol lowering drug.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: Rundle [mailto:Dpdg@...]

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/469167?mpid=24936

<<From what I have read there is a greater incidence of suicide in those

taking cholesterol lowering medications, and other drugs also, I'm sure.

Interesting, but not unexpected, that there is no mention of it here.>>

Judith,

My brother actually did a paper on the subject [he's a psychiatrist] so I

took the liberty of asking him... here's a summary of what he said --

There's some data about the relation between low cholesterol, suicidal

ideations and actual suicide rate. however he could not conclude a definite

relation to medications or base line cholesterol levels... he didn't have

any statistics at hand... said I should google for that.... his view is that

reliable data on the subject is difficult to come by...the variables are too

numerous....

he added that eating, sometimes has to do with a " need " for serotonin

increase, or indicating a hidden eating disorder, hormonal imbalance,

depression, stress, habits (obsessions...), nervousness etc... there are

cultural variables too, the kind of food one eats, physical activity, food

intake versus energy output, idiosyncratic reactions to medications, etc.

.....all these variables and others, are very much related to that issue but

it seems no clear conclusion could be drawn.

my personal guess is that there's a direct relation between suicide,

suicidal ideations and nutritional health status... zinc deficiency

probably plays a big part and over consumption of wheat resulting in such

deficiencies should be there too to consider...

Dedy

[Guest guest]

>my personal guess is that there's a direct relation between suicide, suicidal

ideations and nutritional health status... zinc deficiency probably plays a big

part and over consumption of wheat resulting in such deficiencies should be

there too to consider...

>

>Dedy

Depression is one of the most common " symptom " of gluten intolerance ... whether

it is directly because of the wheat or because of zinc deficiency is anyone's

guess. However, if I accidentally get some wheat, I'm in tears a few hours later

.... and that seems to be a common thing. I think it is psychoactive (Ron

Hoggan's article indicated a similar thing ... gluten

sensitive kids have a different encephlogram after they eat wheat). Since for

gluten sensitive people, gluten causes the blood-brain barrier to become more

porous, AND the gut barrier to become more porous, other chemicals might gain

access to the brain too, that don't normally have access.

Now, it is also true that gluten-intolerant people often have low-cholesterol

(because of poor fat absoption). And they are low on zinc (and calcium,

magnesium, B vites,a nd all the rest). So it skews the epidemiology a lot.

Especially since something like half of folks with mental issues are testably

gluten intolerant. (So you'd think they would be testing depressed people for

that, huh?). Anyway, depression DOES run in our family and I had it for 20 years

or so. Now I don't.

Unless I have a slice of pizza ...

-- Heidi Jean