Re: how popular is nourishing traditions these days?

[Guest guest]

TRIPLE YIKES!!!! That was supposed to be a private message to

heidi!!!! oh well, now that the cat is prematurely out of the bag, i

welcome all and any input on this topic.

elaine

[Guest guest]

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i sold the idea on the basis that it is becoming

> increasingly popular and usurping popular vegetarian thought. now i

need to

> back that up!

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I think there's a large body of people whose cultural roots resonate

with NT eating, and it provides a justification to continue with or

return to the way of eating they are naturally drawn to. Such people

may have grown up on a farm or a rural area, or had a strong

childhood influence from grandparents or family ethnicity. It also

includes livestock-based farmers who are caught in the crossfire of

dietary debates. On the other hand, you've got the " health

explorers " who may arrive at the NT school of thought after extensive

experimentation with other approaches and adopt it either through

simple intellectual attraction (my case) or desperation in addressing

health problems (much more common). Your article would probably

benefit greatly from anecdotes of list-members who suffered from long

stints of vegetarianism.

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> I think you have been on the native nutrition list a while, no? Can

you

> speak to how the list has grown over the years? What about outside

the list?

> Are you aware of more NDs or other alt. doctors who are into the

philosophy?

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As a signifier of NT's progress you can site the success of the WAPF

conferences...

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> i'm just working on the proposal for the story right now and would

love any

> insight you can give me. i'm fairly familiar with the major

participants on

> the list. who else would be good to contact you think? isn't dr. m

the

> moderator?

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List ownership turned over from Saul Lederman to Idol a few

months ago.

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

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(by the way, i will definitely not be citing the list in the

> story. it is busy enough!!)

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> thanks for your help,

> elaine fawcett

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I definitely would NOT point anyone towards this list if they're

interested in NT

But for sex, drugs, politics, stools, faffing, yachting, etc, yeah,

this is the place to go

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

Elaine, you might want to interview my brother and sister in law. They have both

been vegetarians for many, many years. About a year and a half ago, while they

were trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, I tentatively raised some issues from

NT to them. They seemed receptive, so for Christmas 2003 I gave them " Nutrition

and Physical Degeneration, " and then for a housewarming gift last fall I gave

them Nourishing Traditions.

Both of them are now eating meat and have made huge changes in how they look at

nutrition and how they eat. I think they probably represent a sort of microcosm

of the type of change you are trying to identify.

If you want to contact them, just email me or post here and I'll be glad to send

you their contact information.

Christie

[Guest guest]

--- It's popular but what is it? Dennis

In , " Elaine " <itchyink@s...> wrote:

> hello heidi, we have had conversations here and there about

longhorns and

> gluten-free baking. although i'm mostly a mom, i'm also a freelance

writer

> and will be doing some work for natural health magazine. One idea

they're

> interested in is 'what is nourishing traditions, who is sally

fallon and how

> popular has it become.' i sold the idea on the basis that it is

becoming

> increasingly popular and usurping popular vegetarian thought. now i

need to

> back that up!

> elaine fawcett

[Guest guest]

elaine - i'm new to the list so i can't comment there, but in our area it

has totally taken off. it was passed to us simultaneously by three

different friends, and since then i've ordered two cases of the books to

give out to people, all of whom immediately started making changes in their

diets. so, that's something!

one was a vegan who has regressed to vegetarian. i doubt she'll go further,

since she's a buddhist (and also a hypocrite who has convinced herself that

monoculture does less harm than animal husbandry!), but she's recognized

that many of her health problems were due to veganism and that's something too.

At 06:54 PM 2/11/2004, you wrote:

>hello heidi, we have had conversations here and there about longhorns and

>gluten-free baking. although i'm mostly a mom, i'm also a freelance writer

>and will be doing some work for natural health magazine. One idea they're

>interested in is 'what is nourishing traditions, who is sally fallon and how

>popular has it become.' i sold the idea on the basis that it is becoming

>increasingly popular and usurping popular vegetarian thought. now i need to

>back that up!

>

>I think you have been on the native nutrition list a while, no? Can you

>speak to how the list has grown over the years? What about outside the list?

>Are you aware of more NDs or other alt. doctors who are into the philosophy?

>

>i'm just working on the proposal for the story right now and would love any

>insight you can give me. i'm fairly familiar with the major participants on

>the list. who else would be good to contact you think? isn't dr. m the

>moderator? (by the way, i will definitely not be citing the list in the

>story. it is busy enough!!)

>

>thanks for your help,

>elaine fawcett

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<one was a vegan who has regressed to vegetarian. i doubt she'll go further,

since she's a buddhist >>

Katja,

There are plenty of misconceptions re vegeterianism and Buddhism. it is a part

of Buddhist monastic traditions, but it is not really a requirement for

Buddhists as such... the Dalai Lama [who is the head of the Tibetan Gelugpa

monastic tradition] was recently advised to add meat to his diet for health

reasons. Tantric Buddhism allows meat eating, even positively encourages it.

'Buddhism', like 'Hinduism' is a very vague statement .

What tradition does your friend follows?. have you given her a copy of the

article recently posted, I think by Allan..?

This one is pretty good too -- Oregon State University scientist questions the

moral basis of a vegan diet -- [Why is it right to kill the mouse and not the

cow?] http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html

Dedy

[Guest guest]

hi, dedy -

thanks for your comments. in my case, the friend in question has just been

promoted to " my boss " , so i'll go easy on the arguments i'm interested

in it myself, though, cause when she ticks me off i like to sit and stew

about it...which article by allan - the long one he recently put in? i just

skimmed that and highlighted it to go back to it...

my big thing about religious vegetarianism, though, and maybe it's just

cause i'm all tree-huggy, is why is it any less bad to kill a plant for

food than an animal? and of course, when you then look at all the stuff

about how evil monoculture is, then you're not just killing a living thing

(which is part of survivial like it or not) but you're also doing enormous

damage in the process.

thanks also for the article!

At 06:50 PM 2/12/2004, you wrote:

><<one was a vegan who has regressed to vegetarian. i doubt she'll go

>further, since she's a buddhist >>

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>Katja,

>There are plenty of misconceptions re vegeterianism and Buddhism. it is a

>part of Buddhist monastic traditions, but it is not really a requirement

>for Buddhists as such... the Dalai Lama [who is the head of the Tibetan

>Gelugpa monastic tradition] was recently advised to add meat to his diet

>for health reasons. Tantric Buddhism allows meat eating, even positively

>encourages it. 'Buddhism', like 'Hinduism' is a very vague statement .

>

>What tradition does your friend follows?. have you given her a copy of the

>article recently posted, I think by Allan..?

>

>This one is pretty good too -- Oregon State University scientist questions

>the moral basis of a vegan diet -- [Why is it right to kill the mouse and

>not the cow?] http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html

>

>Dedy

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