Re: Your thoughts for a kid

[Guest guest]

well, this is going to be a bit extreme, but these are my honest thoughts:

the parents need to move somewhere else, out in the country. they need to

ditch their tv. they need to ditch their jobs and homeschool the kid and

build a serious family unit. they need to work together to raise as much of

their own food as they can and what they can't raise (or learn to raise)

they need to buy NT, of course. they only need 5 acres and a little house

to do this. (obviously, and ditch all the drugs too).

if this kid's life is that bad, then there's no point in whatever they're

holding on to to stay where they are!

just my $.02

At 12:18 AM 2/18/2004, you wrote:

>Hi- I have a nephew that to say the least has some problems. Since he was a

>toddler he has been a " problem. " This wonderful child is my nieces boy by

>her husbands previous marriage. But now at the age of 14 could wind up in

>deep trouble. He is on something like 8 or 9 prescriptions for his problems

>and the last attempt at a diagnosis ( $360 an hour with a shrink) has him as

>bed wetter, ADHD, Bi-Polar, rage syndrome, mild tourettes and i can't

>remember what else. The psychiatrist recommended another drug that i don't

>have the name of but his parents decided against. Whatever the drug was, it

>is very potent, potentially lethal, and this boy had to have kidney and

>liver tests and an EKG. They feel if he must take this drug that it will be

>only be done as a resident of a place the DR. recommended. The psychiatrist

>said that something like 80% of the kids like him wind up in prison.

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>Thoughts

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[Guest guest]

Kathy-

>The psychiatrist

>said that something like 80% of the kids like him wind up in prison.

IMO this kid needs to go on a low-carb diet that is defined by the

intersection between Atkins (without the fake foods he added shortly before

his death), the SCD, and WAPF. There's a lot of evidence suggesting that

various brain disorders (most prominently epilepsy and schizophrenia, but

also others) are caused by bowel problems and can be cured by changes in

diet, particularly by low-carb diets. However, Atkins insufficiently

address nutrition, whereas WAPF makes a point of it, and insufficiently

addresses the specifics of bowel health, which is what the SCD is all about.

If there's one single book these people should get and follow religiously,

it's _Breaking The Vicious Cycle_, by Elaine Gottschall. It details the

Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) and explains how it heals the

gut. However, just like Nourishing Traditions and the Weston A. Price

Foundation, it is macronutrient ratio-agnostic, and particularly for cases

like this, dramatic carb restrictions are likely to be necessary.

Given the kid's age, it may be difficult to control his diet, but from what

I can tell, this is the means of treatment most likely to be effective.

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[Guest guest]

what about the feingold diet? a friend here has her young, very 'wild' child

on it and says he is a new person on it.

elaine

[Guest guest]

>Hi- I have a nephew that to say the least has some problems. Since he was a

>toddler he has been a " problem. " This wonderful child is my nieces boy by

>her husbands previous marriage. But now at the age of 14 could wind up in

>deep trouble. He is on something like 8 or 9 prescriptions for his problems

>and the last attempt at a diagnosis ( $360 an hour with a shrink) has him as

>bed wetter, ADHD, Bi-Polar, rage syndrome, mild tourettes and i can't

>remember what else.

Kathy:

At the least, he should be tested

for IgG and IgA allergies (digestive immune reactions) which

are often at the core (usually gluten/casien). The gut

problems tend to lead to low levels of zinc and other nutrients,

plus there is usually leaky gut involved. You can search

on " gluten ADD " for a lot of info.

I personally know two women with " problem " kids who were able to turn

them around with diet. But, it is a lot of work and requires

a lot of experimenting. BTW the two women

were both great mothers who raised their

kids in a healthy way, but the kids were mentally a mess.

The first kid was schizophrenic (hallucinating etc) -- he was

put on a GF/CF diet, and on digestive enzymes. He's fine now.

Otherwise he'd be drugged to the eyeballs on Haldol.

The other kid was put on a GF/CF diet, plus he has anger

reactions from a lot of miscellaneous foods (some chocolates,

berries). He used to throw lamps etc. and destroy furniture ...

he's ok now unless he gets food he reacts to. He's on

digestive enzymes and probiotic foods.

Anyway, both these kids had Mom's who did a lot of

research and revamping their households. It's not

easy ... getting a kid to not eat junk food for starters

is a major battle. And she's not likely to get any support

for " weird dietary theories " from the " experts " involved.

Following is from a post by Ron Hoggan (there is a lot

more at that website).

http://members.shaw.ca/oldsite/ADD.htm

>Any information out there regarding possible foods that should be avoided

>or could cause these symptoms? Foods that should be avoided when taking

>Ritalin?

Those who are familiar with celiac disease, especially in children, would

most likely agree that ADD/ADHD symptoms are commonly demonstrated by those

with this disease. The converse argument is more difficult to make. Dietary

interventions have been used to investigate attention deficits, and the

inconvenience of maintaining such diets has made stimulant therapies far

more attractive.

That is unfortunate because there is a growing body of evidence that

suggests that opioid peptides derived from gluten and casein may be the

culprits. Equally unfortunately, it can take up to a year for the body to

rid itself of the offending peptides, while following a strict

gluten-free/casein-free diet.

Still, the evidence of specific patterns of EEG abnormalities in celiac

disease (more than 90% of which goes undiagnosed in North America) and

specific patterns of urinary peptides, along with some anecdotal reports of

symptom resolution with the institution of a gluten-free diet, may increase

interest in this area.

Why were previous investigations unsuccessful in identifying gluten and

casein as exacerbating factors? The trials were much too short, often only

lasting a few weeks. And I have been unable to locate any studies that

excluded both dairy and gluten concurrently.

Unfortunately, the only references I can offer are in Polish and German.

The Polish one is:

Kozlowska, Z.E. " Results of Investigation on Children with Coeliakia

Treated many Years with Gluthen Free Diet " _Psychiatria Polska_ 1991;

25(2): 130-134.

The German one is:

, et. al. " EEG-befunde Zoeliaki-kranken Kindernin Abhaengigkeit von

der Ernaehrung " _Zeitschrift der Klinische Medizin_ 1985; 40: 707-709

The first indicates that 71% of celiac children, when newly diagnosed,

demonstrate EEG abnormalities. Now please note this caution:

I HAVE NO TRAINING IN THE INTERPRETATION OF EEG READINGS.

Nonetheless, when I compare the author's descriptions of the EEG

abnormalities in celiac children, and the abnormalities in children who

have been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD, there are some startling

similarities.

, et. al. are paraphrased by Reichelt et. al. in " THE EFFECT OF

GLUTEN-FREE DIET ON GLYCOPROTEIN ATTACHED URINARY PEPTIDE EXCRETION "

_Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine_ 1990; 5: 223-239.

They say: " In coeliac children provocation with gluten after diet causes

alarmingly high frequency of EEG changes that persist up to a year (

et al 1985) "

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I would urge you to be very careful to avoid contamination in your

child's diet, and I would ask you to consider some alternatives to

stimulant therapy (Ritalin is a brand name of the most commonly used

stimulant.)

The concept of drugging a child to facilitate learning is upsetting to

me, especially when there is cause to suspect that, on the g-f diet, she

may improve without intervention. I have been unable to find any reports

that demonstrate any long-term improvements resulting from stimulant

therapy. Diet seems a much healthier, more humane alternative.

[Guest guest]

That poor child!

If it were me I'd initially take the boy off all sweets, give him 2

tablespoons of CLO/day and remove all access to video games -there's

something about the strobe effects of the lights that can really set off

susceptible children.

This made a dramatic change (for the better) in my daughter when she was in

her early teens. Especially removing the sweets.

Good luck to your niece.

Akers

[Guest guest]

<<the parents need to move somewhere else, out in the country. they need to

ditch their tv. they need to ditch their jobs and homeschool the kid and

build a serious family unit. they need to work together to raise as much of

their own food as they can and what they can't raise (or learn to raise)

they need to buy NT, of course. they only need 5 acres and a little house

to do this. (obviously, and ditch all the drugs too).

if this kid's life is that bad, then there's no point in whatever they're

holding on to to stay where they are!

just my $.02>>

They live in a small town. Have 5 kids. Dad works outside the home, mom

stays at home. He has been home schooled for several years. They have TV

but it is only on maybe an hour a day. Kids all have chores and homework

and TV is not on at all during these times. All the kids have school

activities and the parents see to it that they get there and also coach

sometimes. Heavily involved in church activities with all day Sunday being

a family day. So they have a pretty good family unit.

They don't eat NT but do eat better than most. Not much candy or soda. Lots

of fruits and veggies. Lots of cheap bread stuff too though.

I am wondering if he is not a casualty of childhood vaccines.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Bedwetting is a magnesium deficiency. Also controls electricity running body

processes. Agree with Heidi on food allergies, grain, dairy the usuals and

Elaine with Feingold which concentrates on preservative and coloring

allergies IIRC. No sugar, high glycemic carbs incase schizophrenia is what

this unwanted drug is for. Schizophrenia is insulin resistance of the brain.

CLO for EFAs too. In the U.K. they're having good success with prisoners and

released prisoners with that and multivitamins. Hair analysis for heavy

metal toxicity, good idea too.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

Thanks folks !! I've always thought that they should change his diet but

since i am sort of known for being odd about food they certainly won't take

my word for it, plus i do not communicate verbally very well. With some of

the ideas from all the posts i am going to track down information and put

together a packet to send to them.

Along with the other issues he is also apparently somewhat

obsessive/compulsive.

Thanks

Kathy A.

[Guest guest]

I remember seeing a tv show once about foster parents. One foster mom had a

kid who was wildly destructive -- pulled his own teeth out, destroyed

everything around him, etc. They showed her trying to grocery shop with him.

Then suddenly you see what's in her cart -- several cases of grape soda!!!!!

i wanted to scream. Good luck, i hope your friends try some new things.

elaine

> Thanks folks !! I've always thought that they should change his diet but

> since i am sort of known for being odd about food they certainly won't take

> my word for it, plus i do not communicate verbally very well. With some of

> the ideas from all the posts i am going to track down information and put

> together a packet to send to them.

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> Along with the other issues he is also apparently somewhat

> obsessive/compulsive.

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> Thanks

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> Kathy A.

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