Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 >Hello. I have been recently having facial pain at night....my muscles will >cramp up along the temples and jaw joints, with pain extending to become a >headache/neckache. It is like a charley horse in my face. The swollen, >contracted muscle can be felt and seen. This happens regardless of stress or >tension, sleeping, breastfeeding, reading, etc. It is the same regardless of >the situation, but it is getting worse. Michele: How much calcium and magnesium are you getting? Typically muscle spasms are from lack of calcium and/or magnesium (or maybe D that allows you to use them). I take large doses of a cal/mag/D supplement, otherwise I get all kinds of spasms (also called tetany). There has been some discussion of this ... ground fermented bone, or whole dried anchovies, might be a better source (or shrimp shells in kimchi) and I do anchovies and kimchi also, but for myself it's pretty clear I don't absorb calcium well so I take extra. I use the cheap ones at Costco ... they work ... -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Hi Heidi..according to the RDA's, I get from 100%-200% of minerals; I'm not sure about magnesium, but calcium I range from 1200-2000 depending, but that is nearly all from marinated or steamed greens, like kale, broccoli, dandelions, etc. I don't know if the source matters. I haven't been taking my prenatal though, since I started on CLO, didn't want to OD on Vitamin D. I'm breasfeeding still, and have problems absorbing zinc due to a very slowly healing leaky gut, which is why I was taking the prenatal to begin with. Do you know of a good mineral supplement that combines them all? No iron though. Thank you for your help. Hey, BTW, can you put kale in kim chee? Take care Michele >From: Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Facial Cramps >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:36:23 -0800 > > > >Hello. I have been recently having facial pain at night....my muscles >will > >cramp up along the temples and jaw joints, with pain extending to become >a > >headache/neckache. It is like a charley horse in my face. The swollen, > >contracted muscle can be felt and seen. This happens regardless of stress >or > >tension, sleeping, breastfeeding, reading, etc. It is the same regardless >of > >the situation, but it is getting worse. > >Michele: > >How much calcium and magnesium are you getting? Typically muscle spasms >are from lack of calcium and/or magnesium (or maybe D that allows you >to use them). I take large doses of a cal/mag/D supplement, otherwise I >get all kinds of spasms (also called tetany). There has been some >discussion >of this ... ground fermented bone, or whole dried anchovies, might be >a better source (or shrimp shells in kimchi) and I do anchovies and kimchi >also, but for myself it's pretty clear I don't absorb calcium well so I >take extra. > >I use the cheap ones at Costco ... they work ... > >-- Heidi > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 >Hi Heidi..according to the RDA's, I get from 100%-200% of minerals; I'm not >sure about magnesium, but calcium I range from 1200-2000 depending, but that >is nearly all from marinated or steamed greens, like kale, broccoli, >dandelions, etc. Calcium from greens isn't always very absorbable. It might be if they were fermented! > I don't know if the source matters. I haven't been taking >my prenatal though, since I started on CLO, didn't want to OD on Vitamin D. >I'm breasfeeding still, and have problems absorbing zinc due to a very >slowly healing leaky gut, which is why I was taking the prenatal to begin >with. Do you know of a good mineral supplement that combines them all? No >iron though. If you have absorption problems, it's not clear how much a person ABSORBS vs. how much they take. I had to take a LOT of Cal/mag before the tetany went away, and it comes back in 2 days if I stop the Cal/mag. I use the Costco brand ... they have calcium by itself and magnesium by itself, in BIG bottles for a very reasonable price. >Thank you for your help. > >Hey, BTW, can you put kale in kim chee? Sure. And even better ... grind up some dried shrimp in the blender and add it to the kimchi (use the shrimp that have shells attached) for a great taste AND more calcium and other minerals. Calcium and magnesium are more bioavailable when in an acidic medium, so kimchi is, I think, a perfect way to get calcium. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Hi Heidi... What about some little fish? Are the shrimps " fishy " .? I love fish, but shrimp are gross to me - well, strike that, I used to literally live on shrimp cup o soup... they were 12 for a dollar back then on sale. Days gone by. So I'll give the shrimp a go, and the kale in the kim chee. I did Warrior Diet today, and I felt a bit faint, but otherwise I'm feeling better digestion wise. I couldn't eat as much kale as usual, so I'm thinking I'll juice 10 cups, eat 5 cups, maybe have some in kim chee. I couldn't do the big 15 cup salad I normally pack in. I don't think there is Costco here; I know it was in NY. We have Sams and Walmart, LOL. I hate Walmart. I'll see if Costco has stuff online. Thank you for the information! Sincerely, Michele _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 How do you fit 15 cups of salad into the body in the 1st place? Aparantly the body will fit 4 cups of food normally Warrior diet people seem to max around equivelend of 8 to 10 cups of food. _____ From: the scorpio [mailto:rawbabymama@...] Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Facial Cramps Hi Heidi... What about some little fish? Are the shrimps " fishy " .? I love fish, but shrimp are gross to me - well, strike that, I used to literally live on shrimp cup o soup... they were 12 for a dollar back then on sale. Days gone by. So I'll give the shrimp a go, and the kale in the kim chee. I did Warrior Diet today, and I felt a bit faint, but otherwise I'm feeling better digestion wise. I couldn't eat as much kale as usual, so I'm thinking I'll juice 10 cups, eat 5 cups, maybe have some in kim chee. I couldn't do the big 15 cup salad I normally pack in. I don't think there is Costco here; I know it was in NY. We have Sams and Walmart, LOL. I hate Walmart. I'll see if Costco has stuff online. Thank you for the information! Sincerely, Michele _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Chew throughly, and eat slowly. This is how I figure it.... It is 15 cups pre-marination, and after it shrinks to about 7 or 8. Kale is like 50% water or more, so if you eat it over an hour, 1/2 of the 8 cups is absorbed in the stomach as water. That only leaves 4 cups or so. I can eat a lot though, salad wise. Fruit too. Four cups? Thats it? Whose body? take care, Michele >From: " Byron " <anthony.byron@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: RE: Facial Cramps >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:42:18 +1000 > >How do you fit 15 cups of salad into the body in the 1st place? > > > >Aparantly the body will fit 4 cups of food normally > >Warrior diet people seem to max around equivelend of 8 to 10 cups of food. > > > > > > _____ > >From: the scorpio [mailto:rawbabymama@...] >Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 5:09 PM > >Subject: Re: Facial Cramps > > > >Hi Heidi... >What about some little fish? Are the shrimps " fishy " .? I love fish, but >shrimp are gross to me - well, strike that, I used to literally live on >shrimp cup o soup... they were 12 for a dollar back then on sale. Days gone >by. So I'll give the shrimp a go, and the kale in the kim chee. I did >Warrior Diet today, and I felt a bit faint, but otherwise I'm feeling >better > >digestion wise. I couldn't eat as much kale as usual, so I'm thinking I'll >juice 10 cups, eat 5 cups, maybe have some in kim chee. I couldn't do the >big 15 cup salad I normally pack in. > >I don't think there is Costco here; I know it was in NY. We have Sams and >Walmart, LOL. I hate Walmart. I'll see if Costco has stuff online. > >Thank you for the information! > >Sincerely, > >Michele > >_________________________________________________________________ >Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 That is average stomach size aparantly. Though cant see hwo they measure that ? Anyays chewing that kind of salad fro that amount of time. You must have shark like jaw power. Maybe this is why you are getting face spasms. ( seriously ) Face muscles just like others can get overworked. Perhaps this has happened. Overtrained and now they are rebelling? _____ From: the scorpio [mailto:rawbabymama@...] Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 5:52 PM Subject: RE: Facial Cramps Chew throughly, and eat slowly. This is how I figure it.... It is 15 cups pre-marination, and after it shrinks to about 7 or 8. Kale is like 50% water or more, so if you eat it over an hour, 1/2 of the 8 cups is absorbed in the stomach as water. That only leaves 4 cups or so. I can eat a lot though, salad wise. Fruit too. Four cups? Thats it? Whose body? take care, Michele >From: " Byron " <anthony.byron@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: RE: Facial Cramps >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:42:18 +1000 > >How do you fit 15 cups of salad into the body in the 1st place? > > > >Aparantly the body will fit 4 cups of food normally > >Warrior diet people seem to max around equivelend of 8 to 10 cups of food. > > > > > > _____ > >From: the scorpio [mailto:rawbabymama@...] >Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 5:09 PM > >Subject: Re: Facial Cramps > > > >Hi Heidi... >What about some little fish? Are the shrimps " fishy " .? I love fish, but >shrimp are gross to me - well, strike that, I used to literally live on >shrimp cup o soup... they were 12 for a dollar back then on sale. Days gone >by. So I'll give the shrimp a go, and the kale in the kim chee. I did >Warrior Diet today, and I felt a bit faint, but otherwise I'm feeling >better > >digestion wise. I couldn't eat as much kale as usual, so I'm thinking I'll >juice 10 cups, eat 5 cups, maybe have some in kim chee. I couldn't do the >big 15 cup salad I normally pack in. > >I don't think there is Costco here; I know it was in NY. We have Sams and >Walmart, LOL. I hate Walmart. I'll see if Costco has stuff online. > >Thank you for the information! > >Sincerely, > >Michele > >_________________________________________________________________ >Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 > >That is average stomach size aparantly. Though cant see hwo they measure >that ? Golden Corral customers. >Anyays chewing that kind of salad fro that amount of time. You must have >shark like jaw power. My new name.. Shark Jaw. I like it . >Maybe this is why you are getting face spasms. ( seriously ) >Face muscles just like others can get overworked. > >Perhaps this has happened. Overtrained and now they are rebelling? > > Maybe so. I just started eating kale every day again a couple months ago, after I couldn't eat hard veggies for a while because of the holeyness(LGS). How do you strech your face, besides yawning? I chew really well. Like I have to brush after cause my teeth are bright green..... sexy, yes? Per Heidi and Mike's suggestions I will use some itty shrimp/fish in my kim chee. and start juicing some of my kale. Maybe that will help. > Catch ya later(dun dun dun dun dun dun dun - Jaws ) Michele > _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 I meant to say, NOT Golden Corral customers. >From: " the scorpio " <rawbabymama@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Facial Cramps >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:06:18 -0500 > > > > > >That is average stomach size aparantly. Though cant see hwo they measure > >that ? > >Golden Corral customers. > > >Anyays chewing that kind of salad fro that amount of time. You must have > >shark like jaw power. > >My new name.. Shark Jaw. I like it . > > >Maybe this is why you are getting face spasms. ( seriously ) > > >Face muscles just like others can get overworked. > > > >Perhaps this has happened. Overtrained and now they are rebelling? > > > > >Maybe so. I just started eating kale every day again a couple months ago, >after I couldn't eat hard veggies for a while because of the >holeyness(LGS). >How do you strech your face, besides yawning? I chew really well. Like I >have to brush after cause my teeth are bright green..... sexy, yes? > >Per Heidi and Mike's suggestions I will use some itty shrimp/fish in my kim >chee. and start juicing some of my kale. Maybe that will help. > > >Catch ya later(dun dun dun dun dun dun dun - Jaws ) > >Michele > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Green eyes are sexy Green teeth are not :-) You can pressure point the muscles ( point holding ) to get them to relax. So they get time time out so to speak. If enough pressure is applied with the jaw open it will constitute a minor stretch _____ From: the scorpio [mailto:rawbabymama@...] Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 6:06 PM Subject: RE: Facial Cramps > >That is average stomach size aparantly. Though cant see hwo they measure >that ? Golden Corral customers. >Anyays chewing that kind of salad fro that amount of time. You must have >shark like jaw power. My new name.. Shark Jaw. I like it . >Maybe this is why you are getting face spasms. ( seriously ) >Face muscles just like others can get overworked. > >Perhaps this has happened. Overtrained and now they are rebelling? > > Maybe so. I just started eating kale every day again a couple months ago, after I couldn't eat hard veggies for a while because of the holeyness(LGS). How do you strech your face, besides yawning? I chew really well. Like I have to brush after cause my teeth are bright green..... sexy, yes? Per Heidi and Mike's suggestions I will use some itty shrimp/fish in my kim chee. and start juicing some of my kale. Maybe that will help. > Catch ya later(dun dun dun dun dun dun dun - Jaws ) Michele > _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 >Hi Heidi... >What about some little fish? Are the shrimps " fishy " .? I love fish, but >shrimp are gross to me - well, strike that, I used to literally live on >shrimp cup o soup... they were 12 for a dollar back then on sale. I buy the dried shrimp at the Korean store ... they are pretty cheap that way. Tiny things. Then run them through the blender with some water and chili to make my kimchi " sauce " . They add a great flavor, which doesn't taste at all like cooked shrimp. Probably does taste a lot like " shrimp cup o soup " . We had a thread awhile back ... shrimp shells are full of good stuff, and both shrimp and little fish are fed to animals as supplements. I used dried anchovies too. My kimchi is getting more and more seafood in it! Again, they are all ground up into a sauce, so you don't have little fishy eyes staring at you. However, the kimchi does not taste fishy. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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