Re: POLITICS - marriage symbolic of Christ and the Church?

[Guest guest]

At 07:36 PM 2/25/2004, you wrote:

>because i love a christian man, and am trying to learn more about his chosen

>spiritual tradition. this is the book he recommended to " get my feet wet " .

hmm. that's interesting. i was always taught that cs lewis was a christian,

but on the extended version of the lord of the rings dvd's, they noted

quite specifically that he was an atheist. i thought that was kind of

surprising and i haven't gone back to look myself. i'd have written it off

completely except that tolkien and lewis were close friends (in fact, lewis

is depicted in several characters) and the man doing the speaking was an

expert on the two and their relationship. fwiw.

[Guest guest]

> hmm. that's interesting. i was always taught that cs lewis was a

christian,

> but on the extended version of the lord of the rings dvd's, they noted

> quite specifically that he was an atheist. i thought that was kind of

> surprising and i haven't gone back to look myself. i'd have written

it off

> completely except that tolkien and lewis were close friends (in

fact, lewis

> is depicted in several characters) and the man doing the speaking

was an

> expert on the two and their relationship. fwiw.

CS was an atheist but became a Christian after he and Tolkien

became friends.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

At 07:52 PM 2/25/2004, you wrote:

>CS was an atheist but became a Christian after he and Tolkien

>became friends.

>

>

>Sharon

cool, thanks. the guy on the dvd (i know, i'm placing a lot of value on a

dvd!) actually was explicit enough to say that TLW & W and all his other

books were written as an atheist. i mean, maybe he was right or maybe not

(and i really don't know why i care) but it's just different than what i

learned. they taught a philosophy class in college that i audited about the

christianity of cs lewis, which was interesting but - why am i still typing???

-katja

[Guest guest]

>> because i love a christian man, and am trying to learn more about his chosen

spiritual tradition. this is the book he recommended to " get my feet wet " . <<

Well, I'd also d recommend another work by CS , The Chronicles of Narnia.

The best books about Christianity that I've ever read.

Christie

[Guest guest]

>> i was always taught that cs lewis was a christian,

but on the extended version of the lord of the rings dvd's, they noted

quite specifically that he was an atheist. <<

CS was an atheist at one time, but he became devoutly religious later

in life. Here is another quote from Mere Christianity:

" My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust.

But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line

crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing

this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and

senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part

of the show, find myself in such violent reaction against it? A man feels

wet when he falls into water, because man is not a water animal: a fish

would not feel wet. Of course, I could have given up my idea of justice by

saying that it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if I did that,

then my argument against God collapsed too--for the argument depended on

saying that the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen

to please my private fancies. Thus in the very act of trying to prove that

God did not exist--in other words, that the whole of reality was

senseless--I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality--namely

my idea of justice--was full of sense. Consequently atheism turns out to be

too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found

out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe

and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark

would be without meaning. "

Christie

[Guest guest]

<<Lesbian marriage would therefore be dangerous threat to familial development,

because the light bulbs would never get changed.>>

Do you think I'm a 'dangerous threat to the familial development' of my two boys

by being the one who changes all the light bulbs [and doing all the DIY] around

the house? <G>

Dedy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/26/04 8:31:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Dpdg@... writes:

> <<Lesbian marriage would therefore be dangerous threat to familial

> development, because the light bulbs would never get changed.>>

>

>

> Do you think I'm a 'dangerous threat to the familial development' of my two

> boys by being the one who changes all the light bulbs [and doing all the DIY]

> around the house?

On the contrary, we must thank God you're a manly woman <g>

Chris

[Guest guest]

><<Lesbian marriage would therefore be dangerous threat to familial development,

because the light bulbs would never get changed.>>

>

>

>Do you think I'm a 'dangerous threat to the familial development' of my two

boys by being the one who changes all the light bulbs [and doing all the DIY]

around the house? <G>

>

>Dedy

Dedy ...

IMO it's ok if you change the light bulbs, as long as you teach them to

fry an egg and maybe bake a potato. <weg>

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>> >This isn't a power relationship.

chris, i'm going to respond to this offlist. my questions and issues with

what you wrote might lead to another extended OT thread and/or might be too

complex to really delve into on this forum.

Suze Fisher

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