Re: POLITICS - marriage symbolic of Christ and the Church? - Suze

[Guest guest]

> <snip>

>

> The

> >thing is, God tells us to recognize authority figures in our lives,

>

>

> perhaps in the christian tradition, but that's not necessarily so of

the god

> others worship.

>

Really? Other gods don't tell their followers to recognize authority

figures? I'd like to know more about that. Would you care to expound?

Sharon

[Guest guest]

>>

>>

>> perhaps in the christian tradition, but that's not necessarily so of

>the god

>> others worship.

>>

>Really? Other gods don't tell their followers to recognize authority

>figures? I'd like to know more about that. Would you care to expound?

buddhism, for one, IIRC. i'm sure there are others. also there is

spirituality that's not part of a " formal " religion, in which it depends on

the individual's relationship/communications with god.

btw, i was referring to *human* authority figures as you probably could tell

from the context of what i was responding to.

Suze Fisher

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[Guest guest]

> >>

> >>

> >> perhaps in the christian tradition, but that's not necessarily so of

> >the god

> >> others worship.

> >>

> >Really? Other gods don't tell their followers to recognize authority

> >figures? I'd like to know more about that. Would you care to expound?

>

>

> buddhism, for one, IIRC. i'm sure there are others. also there is

> spirituality that's not part of a " formal " religion, in which it

depends on

> the individual's relationship/communications with god.

Yes, there's that sticky wicket when is comes to " religion " and

" spirituality " . Religion does have a tendency to spoil much of what is

spiritual. Kind of like the Philastines and the followers of Christ. I

fall into that later group, having been bought and paid for by Jesus.

I once did belong to a church where they really meant it when they

said " obey your husband " .

I was hoping though that you'd know for sure - since you sounded so

sure - which paths of higher consciousness don't tell their followers

to obey authority figures.

>

> btw, i was referring to *human* authority figures as you probably

could tell

> from the context of what i was responding to.

Yes, I knew what you meant.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

>I was hoping though that you'd know for sure - since you sounded so

>sure - which paths of higher consciousness don't tell their followers

>to obey authority figures.

if it helps, i am SURE that the god i worship hasn't asked me to submit to

any human authority figure as of yet. (i don't belong to any formal

religion, fwiw.)

but also, i do believe buddhism doesn't require submission to any human

authority figure as i mentioned. someone can correct me if i misremember.

not that it matters if ANY religion or spiritual practice did or didn't, my

point was that fern was speaking of the christian god as if that were the

god of all of us.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

>> I was hoping though that you'd know for sure - since you sounded so

sure - which paths of higher consciousness don't tell their followers

to obey authority figures. <<

Well... Buddhism spells it out just that way:

" Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in

anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in

anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not

believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not

believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.

But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with

reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it

and live up to it. " ~Buddha

Christie

[Guest guest]

At 03:30 PM 2/25/2004, you wrote:

> >I was hoping though that you'd know for sure - since you sounded so

> >sure - which paths of higher consciousness don't tell their followers

> >to obey authority figures.

>

>if it helps, i am SURE that the god i worship hasn't asked me to submit to

>any human authority figure as of yet. (i don't belong to any formal

>religion, fwiw.)

>

>but also, i do believe buddhism doesn't require submission to any human

>authority figure as i mentioned. someone can correct me if i misremember.

>not that it matters if ANY religion or spiritual practice did or didn't, my

>point was that fern was speaking of the christian god as if that were the

>god of all of us.

paganism doesn't either.

and what's more, paganism doesn't support religious evangelism! bonus!

-katja

[Guest guest]

At 05:04 PM 2/25/2004, you wrote:

> >paganism doesn't either.

> >and what's more, paganism doesn't support religious evangelism

>

>Every year my tax dollars support the mandatory teaching of the

>evolutionary religion whose aim is to win young followers. Sad, since only

>50% or less Scientist believe in this fact deficient " religion " of no

>god. Just Wa-la! a universe of precise accuracy and order just happend!

1. what on earth does this have to do with paganism?

2. could you please cite your source for the 50% or less statistic?

3. don't forget about all the xians who don't have any problem reconciling

evolution with creation. they're kind of a thorn in your side, i suppose.

-katja

why? why do i get sucked in?

[Guest guest]

On Feb 25, 2004, at 2:04 PM, April Myers wrote:

>> paganism doesn't either.

>> and what's more, paganism doesn't support religious evangelism

>

> Every year my tax dollars support the mandatory teaching of the

> evolutionary religion whose aim is to win young followers. Sad, since

> only 50% or less Scientist believe in this fact deficient " religion

> " of no god. Just Wa-la! a universe of precise accuracy and order

> just happend!

And this has exactly what relation to paganism? Don't confuse pagans

with atheists; you'll offend the atheists.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/neo_paga.htm

Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

>paganism doesn't either.

>and what's more, paganism doesn't support religious evangelism

Every year my tax dollars support the mandatory teaching of the evolutionary

religion whose aim is to win young followers. Sad, since only 50% or less

Scientist believe in this fact deficient " religion " of no god. Just Wa-la! a

universe of precise accuracy and order just happend!

RE: POLITICS - marriage symbolic of Christ and the Church? -

Suze

At 03:30 PM 2/25/2004, you wrote:

> >I was hoping though that you'd know for sure - since you sounded so

> >sure - which paths of higher consciousness don't tell their followers

> >to obey authority figures.

>

>if it helps, i am SURE that the god i worship hasn't asked me to submit to

>any human authority figure as of yet. (i don't belong to any formal

>religion, fwiw.)

>

>but also, i do believe buddhism doesn't require submission to any human

>authority figure as i mentioned. someone can correct me if i misremember.

>not that it matters if ANY religion or spiritual practice did or didn't, my

>point was that fern was speaking of the christian god as if that were the

>god of all of us.

paganism doesn't either.

and what's more, paganism doesn't support religious evangelism! bonus!

-katja

[Guest guest]

>

>And this has exactly what relation to paganism? Don't confuse pagans

>with atheists; you'll offend the atheists.

>

>http://www.religioustolerance.org/neo_paga.htm

>

>Lynn S.

hahahaha! oh, lynn, it's so true!

there are some days that i think paganism's *only* merit is the

anti-support of religious evangelism!

but, just like anything else, you got yer nifty pagans and yer lamers who

just want an excuse to dance around naked in the woods.

like you need an excuse for that!

-katja

[Guest guest]

Katja-

>why? why do i get sucked in?

A lack of good Christian moral fiber? ;->

-

[Guest guest]

>> A lack of good Christian moral fiber? ;-> <<

? I thought you were one of the fiber skeptics?

Christie

[Guest guest]

Christie-

>? I thought you were one of the fiber skeptics?

Hmm, good point. OK, I amend my statement as follows: " The lack of a solid

Christian backbone? ;-> " . After all, everyone knows I'm all in favor of

utilizing all possible parts of a carcass (at least provided it's grass-fed!).

-

[Guest guest]

> Really? Other gods don't tell their followers to recognize

authority

> figures? I'd like to know more about that. Would you care to

expound?

----> Sharon

Of the religion biggies I think these religions don't (recognize

authority figures in terms of human) - Hinduism, Buddism, Taoism,

Confucianism, and maybe Judaism. Now that is if my memory of

comparitive religions studies done a long time ago serves me right.

In fact I believe Buddism stands out alone in religions in that it

teaches a belief completely devoid of an autority figure...Buddha

was seen only as a teacher.

I believe my own Christian religion focuses the most attention on

the order of authority and submission to it. And this comes

primarily from 's gospel not the others? Is that

correct....haven't been studying any religion lately as all my

energy goes towards food these days!

Take care,

Lynn

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Lynn Razaitis " <lyn122@y...>

wrote:

> ----> Sharon

> Of the religion biggies I think these religions don't (recognize

> authority figures in terms of human) - Hinduism, Buddism, Taoism,

> Confucianism, and maybe Judaism. Now that is if my memory of

> comparitive religions studies done a long time ago serves me right.

> In fact I believe Buddism stands out alone in religions in that it

> teaches a belief completely devoid of an autority figure...Buddha

> was seen only as a teacher.

I did not know this. Thanks.

>

> I believe my own Christian religion focuses the most attention on

> the order of authority and submission to it. And this comes

> primarily from 's gospel not the others? Is that

> correct....haven't been studying any religion lately as all my

> energy goes towards food these days!

I think you are right. Food, yes, food. :-) We just got done have a

delicious grass-fed lamb curry with organic veggies.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

At 05:17 PM 2/25/2004, you wrote:

>Katja-

>

> >why? why do i get sucked in?

>

>A lack of good Christian moral fiber? ;->

heehee!

and thank spinach and all things green for that

[Guest guest]

Several years ago I belonged to a list that often encountered lots

of " off topic " threads that would spin from our on topic threads.

So we finally decided that a secondary list would meet the needs of

the secondary threads. Then everyone who wanted to was invited to

jump over to the secondary list to enjoy all the varied discussions,

or not.

Again not to be a spoilsport, especially as a daily digest reader

there are lots and lots of off topic (how we can achieve radiant

health using the work of Weston Price and Sally Fallon's _Nourishing

Traditions_) threads, so many so that I will go for weeks at a time

not participating on this list because it's more work to wade

through all the e-mail, even in digest form, looking for on topic

threads.

Is anyone else having similar feelings about this, or is it just

me? (Or have all my compatriots who feel similarly already deleted

this message because of the title?)

Leann

>

> >> paganism doesn't either.

> >> and what's more, paganism doesn't support religious evangelism

> >

> > Every year my tax dollars support the mandatory teaching of the

> > evolutionary religion whose aim is to win young followers. Sad,

since

> > only 50% or less Scientist believe in this fact

deficient " religion

> > " of no god. Just Wa-la! a universe of precise accuracy and

order

> > just happend!

>

> And this has exactly what relation to paganism? Don't confuse

pagans

> with atheists; you'll offend the atheists.

>

> http://www.religioustolerance.org/neo_paga.htm

>

> Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

> " Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in

anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in

anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not

believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not

believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.

But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with

reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it

and live up to it. " ~Buddha

>

>Christie

I thought that was the NT philosophy? You mean this guy Buddha got there first?

;--)

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

At 07:23 PM 2/25/2004, you wrote:

>Is anyone else having similar feelings about this, or is it just

>me? (Or have all my compatriots who feel similarly already deleted

>this message because of the title?)

>

>Leann

oh leann, i so totally agree with you!

i hate the extra chaff and i'd love to just get back to all the researchy

stuff! i keep up with the emails as they come in but in a sense that's even

worse cause then i get sucked into things that just make me peeved.

the only thing that would be tough is determining what's off topic. ie, is

GMO legislation off topic? perhaps we could say that if it doesn't pertain

to food/health, it's off topic...

anyway. no, you're not alone!

-katja

[Guest guest]

Yes ... I feel both ways! Sometimes I just get so frustrated with

stuff I'm not intereted in, then whammmm I get caught up in the an

off topic and I'm hooked. And I've learned from them....though not

necessarily NT stuff.

I've solved NT reading problem two ways:

1. Quit daily digest and have no e-mail (no way on this site would I

ever get individual e-mails!). Then daily or every few days I come

by, click messages and go through them by topics only. I discard all

topics I'm not so interested in. I guess I miss things but over the

long haul I think I get everything sooner or later. I can do this

fairly quickly if I'm not posting too much. I've been using this

method for the past year with very few frustrations now....and the OT

stuff is worst than ever....except for re:oreos last year

BTW...PLEASE remember to label POLITICS or OT in the subject

line..that makes this work!

2. Use the beoyndprice group which seems to stay farily clean of OT

subjects.

Lynn

> >

> > >> paganism doesn't either.

> > >> and what's more, paganism doesn't support religious evangelism

> > >

> > > Every year my tax dollars support the mandatory teaching of the

> > > evolutionary religion whose aim is to win young followers. Sad,

> since

> > > only 50% or less Scientist believe in this fact

> deficient " religion

> > > " of no god. Just Wa-la! a universe of precise accuracy and

> order

> > > just happend!

> >

> > And this has exactly what relation to paganism? Don't confuse

> pagans

> > with atheists; you'll offend the atheists.

> >

> > http://www.religioustolerance.org/neo_paga.htm

> >

> > Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

In fact I believe Buddism stands out alone in religions in that it

teaches a belief completely devoid of an autority figure...Buddha

was seen only as a teacher. ~ Lynn

That's right, Buddhism is a nontheistic religion. ~ Deanna

[Guest guest]

>> You mean this guy Buddha got there first? <<

I know, he's always ruining everything!

Christie

[Guest guest]

>>> You mean this guy Buddha got there first? <<

>

> I know, he's always ruining everything!

Well you know what they say, if you meet the Buddha on the road, kill

him. (Actual Buddhist saying.)

Lynn S.

not a Buddhist but an admirer for sure

[Guest guest]

>>> You mean this guy Buddha got there first? <<

>

>I know, he's always ruining everything!

>

>Christie

Well, not *everything* ... near as I can tell he didn't say

anything about who to have sex with except to avoid

rape and adultery.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

> In fact I believe Buddism stands out alone in religions in that it

> teaches a belief completely devoid of an autority figure...Buddha

> was seen only as a teacher. ~ Lynn

>

> That's right, Buddhism is a nontheistic religion. ~ Deanna

Life's experiences teach, for better or worse.

Wanita