raw milk for 10 month old baby

[Guest guest]

I'm new to this group. Marie at radiant life suggested it because I

have a lot of questions and do not know anybody else in my

situation. It's strange sending out my story like this without

knowing the people receiving it. Anyway.....

I was not able to 100% breastfeed my baby. When I was pregnant, I

did not even look into formula because it was not an option. I have

been very into health and healthy eating for about 10 years (though

the definition of " healthy eating " continually changes). AT 5 weeks,

my baby was starving and I had to start supplementing. I absolutely

hated doing it, but felt like I had no other options. So, I gave him

all the breastmilk I could and then supplemented for the rest with

commercial formula. Then, recently I picked up Sally Fallon's book

because I was looking to make my own digestive enzymes, through

fermenting foods. I found the baby formula recipe and was ecstatic.

I ordered all the ingredients, but have been having difficulty with

what to use as the base. I VERY much want my baby to have the

benefits of raw milk,especially after all the commercial formula he

has consumed, but I am not 100% confident that the source closest to

me is clean enough. They are certified and are inspected once

a month, but the woman on the phone (whose 13 year old daughter)

drinks a half gallon a day of the milk) told me that she personally

would not give it to a 10 month old baby. This is what has been

holding me back. My husband and I have been drinking it for a couple

of weeks now. I've been to all the websites and have been

reading " the untold story of milk " amd I am learning A LOT. I'm

wondering if ordering from Organic Pastures in CA is my best bet for

the baby. They seem to be the gold standard for raw milk. It will

come frozen, though, so I think that means some of the benficial

bacteria will have been killed off.

I do not know anybody who gives raw milk to their infants. I

actually only know of 2 families that drink raw milk from this farm

and their kids are much older. I would love to hear from anyone who

feeds or has fed their baby raw milk. How did you decide it was safe?

[Guest guest]

I know a family locally that adopted a baby and while they were able

to " re-lactate " they have also had to use one of those packs that

has a feed tube that ends at the nipple to so baby can receive a

supplement.

I will contact them today to find out what is in that supplement.

I also know another family who found themselves in a similar

situation and the mom had a homemade formula that she whipped up.

I think goats milk might be superior to cows milk for an infant, and

raw goats milk can be easier to come by than cows milk, perhaps.

Also, if friendly flora is what you are after, why not introduce

some goats milk yogurt for your infant? This is readily available

from most health food stores.

Leann

-- In , " alsr930 " <alsr930@y...>

wrote:

> I'm new to this group. Marie at radiant life suggested it because

I

> have a lot of questions and do not know anybody else in my

> situation. It's strange sending out my story like this without

> knowing the people receiving it. Anyway.....

>

> I was not able to 100% breastfeed my baby. When I was pregnant, I

> did not even look into formula because it was not an option. I

have

> been very into health and healthy eating for about 10 years

(though

> the definition of " healthy eating " continually changes). AT 5

weeks,

> my baby was starving and I had to start supplementing. I

absolutely

> hated doing it, but felt like I had no other options. So, I gave

him

> all the breastmilk I could and then supplemented for the rest with

> commercial formula. Then, recently I picked up Sally Fallon's

book

> because I was looking to make my own digestive enzymes, through

> fermenting foods. I found the baby formula recipe and was

ecstatic.

> I ordered all the ingredients, but have been having difficulty

with

> what to use as the base. I VERY much want my baby to have the

> benefits of raw milk,especially after all the commercial formula

he

> has consumed, but I am not 100% confident that the source closest

to

> me is clean enough. They are certified and are inspected once

> a month, but the woman on the phone (whose 13 year old daughter)

> drinks a half gallon a day of the milk) told me that she

personally

> would not give it to a 10 month old baby. This is what has been

> holding me back. My husband and I have been drinking it for a

couple

> of weeks now. I've been to all the websites and have been

> reading " the untold story of milk " amd I am learning A LOT. I'm

> wondering if ordering from Organic Pastures in CA is my best bet

for

> the baby. They seem to be the gold standard for raw milk. It

will

> come frozen, though, so I think that means some of the benficial

> bacteria will have been killed off.

>

> I do not know anybody who gives raw milk to their infants. I

> actually only know of 2 families that drink raw milk from this

farm

> and their kids are much older. I would love to hear from anyone

who

> feeds or has fed their baby raw milk. How did you decide it was

safe?

[Guest guest]

>I do not know anybody who gives raw milk to their infants. I

>actually only know of 2 families that drink raw milk from this farm

>and their kids are much older. I would love to hear from anyone who

>feeds or has fed their baby raw milk. How did you decide it was safe?

I can't say for raw milk, but there have been experiments feeding

preemies kefir ... kefir is very safe. Also, if the kid is getting

kefir, I think it is a lot less likely that " buggies " in the raw

milk (if any) would be problematic. The problem with listeria etc.

seem to have to do with folk who don't have good gut bacteria.

Babies often don't have good gut bacteria (it develops in those

first months). Since most of them are fed sterilized milk, I

don't know how they are expected to get the bacteria either!

Experiments with mouse pups are showing that the gut develops

BECAUSE of the bacteria ... if they are fed a sterile diet,

there are not as many blood vessels to the gut and digestive

development is delayed.

As for breast milk, I'd encourage you to feed as much as you

can. The docs told me that if I could manage even two feedings

a day, that was enough to give the kid the immune factors she

needed.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Just wanted you to know I tried to e-mail you off list, contacted my

friend this morning, and she is happy to e-mail with you directly

about this (but did not want her address posted on a list she isn't

part of). If you don't get the e-mail let me know and I will re-

send it.

She said the base of the formula supplement has always been goats

milk, first paseurized, now raw--her daughter is over a year at this

time. There are other things in this supplement " formula " , I don't

know what they are--no soy or wheat or anything like that.

Thanks, Leann

--- In , " alsr930 " <alsr930@y...>

wrote:

> I'm new to this group. Marie at radiant life suggested it because

I

> have a lot of questions and do not know anybody else in my

> situation. It's strange sending out my story like this without

> knowing the people receiving it. Anyway.....

>

> I was not able to 100% breastfeed my baby. When I was pregnant, I

> did not even look into formula because it was not an option. I

have

> been very into health and healthy eating for about 10 years

(though

> the definition of " healthy eating " continually changes). AT 5

weeks,

> my baby was starving and I had to start supplementing. I

absolutely

> hated doing it, but felt like I had no other options. So, I gave

him

> all the breastmilk I could and then supplemented for the rest with

> commercial formula. Then, recently I picked up Sally Fallon's

book

> because I was looking to make my own digestive enzymes, through

> fermenting foods. I found the baby formula recipe and was

ecstatic.

> I ordered all the ingredients, but have been having difficulty

with

> what to use as the base. I VERY much want my baby to have the

> benefits of raw milk,especially after all the commercial formula

he

> has consumed, but I am not 100% confident that the source closest

to

> me is clean enough. They are certified and are inspected once

> a month, but the woman on the phone (whose 13 year old daughter)

> drinks a half gallon a day of the milk) told me that she

personally

> would not give it to a 10 month old baby. This is what has been

> holding me back. My husband and I have been drinking it for a

couple

> of weeks now. I've been to all the websites and have been

> reading " the untold story of milk " amd I am learning A LOT. I'm

> wondering if ordering from Organic Pastures in CA is my best bet

for

> the baby. They seem to be the gold standard for raw milk. It

will

> come frozen, though, so I think that means some of the benficial

> bacteria will have been killed off.

>

> I do not know anybody who gives raw milk to their infants. I

> actually only know of 2 families that drink raw milk from this

farm

> and their kids are much older. I would love to hear from anyone

who

> feeds or has fed their baby raw milk. How did you decide it was

safe?

[Guest guest]

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It's strange sending out my story like this without

> knowing the people receiving it. Anyway.....

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That's a good thing. Welcome to the information revolution!

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I VERY much want my baby to have the

> benefits of raw milk,especially after all the commercial formula he

> has consumed, but I am not 100% confident that the source closest

to

> me is clean enough. They are certified and are inspected once

> a month, but the woman on the phone (whose 13 year old daughter)

> drinks a half gallon a day of the milk) told me that she personally

> would not give it to a 10 month old baby. This is what has been

> holding me back.

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I'm the last person on this list who is in a position to give advice

on the whole child-raising side of the ballgame, but I can make the

general observation that raw dairy farmers are not necessarily very

well informed about their own product; I wouldn't take their opinion

very seriously. Some farmers have an advanced intellectual grasp of

these issues, while others are no different from the average Joe/Jane

who more or less accept common prejudices and myths. Just inspect

their operations first-hand yourself and draw your own conclusions.

I seriously doubt there's an issue. I would take the opinions of

people on this list who have experience with feeding babies raw milk

much more seriously than a random dairy farmer.

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My husband and I have been drinking it for a couple

> of weeks now. I've been to all the websites and have been

> reading " the untold story of milk " amd I am learning A LOT. I'm

> wondering if ordering from Organic Pastures in CA is my best bet

for

> the baby. They seem to be the gold standard for raw milk. It will

> come frozen, though, so I think that means some of the benficial

> bacteria will have been killed off.

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Local is best. Just go there in person and make your own evaluation.

Frozen milk? I know people defend it on these lists, but it's a

horrid thought to me.

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

Thanks for you response!

Why do you say local is best? And why is frozen a horrid thought for

you?

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-- In , " Anton "

<michaelantonparker@h...> wrote:

> @@@@@@@

> It's strange sending out my story like this without

> > knowing the people receiving it. Anyway.....

> @@@@@

>

> That's a good thing. Welcome to the information revolution!

>

>

> @@@@@@@@

> I VERY much want my baby to have the

> > benefits of raw milk,especially after all the commercial formula

he

> > has consumed, but I am not 100% confident that the source closest

> to

> > me is clean enough. They are certified and are inspected once

> > a month, but the woman on the phone (whose 13 year old daughter)

> > drinks a half gallon a day of the milk) told me that she

personally

> > would not give it to a 10 month old baby. This is what has been

> > holding me back.

> @@@@@

>

> I'm the last person on this list who is in a position to give

advice

> on the whole child-raising side of the ballgame, but I can make the

> general observation that raw dairy farmers are not necessarily very

> well informed about their own product; I wouldn't take their

opinion

> very seriously. Some farmers have an advanced intellectual grasp

of

> these issues, while others are no different from the average

Joe/Jane

> who more or less accept common prejudices and myths. Just inspect

> their operations first-hand yourself and draw your own

conclusions.

> I seriously doubt there's an issue. I would take the opinions of

> people on this list who have experience with feeding babies raw

milk

> much more seriously than a random dairy farmer.

>

> @@@@@@@@@@@

> My husband and I have been drinking it for a couple

> > of weeks now. I've been to all the websites and have been

> > reading " the untold story of milk " amd I am learning A LOT. I'm

> > wondering if ordering from Organic Pastures in CA is my best bet

> for

> > the baby. They seem to be the gold standard for raw milk. It

will

> > come frozen, though, so I think that means some of the benficial

> > bacteria will have been killed off.

> @@@@@@@

>

> Local is best. Just go there in person and make your own evaluation.

> Frozen milk? I know people defend it on these lists, but it's a

> horrid thought to me.

>

> Mike

> SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

At 09:04 PM 2/26/2004, you wrote:

>Thanks for you response!

>

>Why do you say local is best? And why is frozen a horrid thought for

>you?

>

i don't know why mike says local is best, but i say local is best because

cows/goats/whatever pass on the same benefits in their milk that you do.

for example, cow's milk can transfer anti-itch qualities specific to the

poison ivy in the immediate area. so, ya know. if you're getting some

anti-bodies, better they're local.

plus, why buy from a stranger? buy from someone you trust and who you can

learn from. think locally. act neighborly. and all that.

and also, local stuff wasn't shipped in a big tanker truck from somewhere

*else*. ya know?

also also, freezing denatures some of the antibodies in the milk. less good.

-katja, in a rush!

[Guest guest]

--- In , " alsr930 " <alsr930@y...>

wrote:

> Thanks for you response!

>

> Why do you say local is best? And why is frozen a horrid thought

for

> you?

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I'm not sure how to answer these questions, to be honest. It would

probably exceed the bandwidth of to enumerate the advantages of

locally sourced food, especially something like raw milk... Maybe

other people could chime in.

The frozen milk thing is just a straightforward gustatory thing,

probably nutritional too; I mean, I've never even tried frozen milk,

but I can't see any reason why anyone would; it's one of the most

absurd ideas I've ever encountered in my life. I generally only

consume milk as kefir, but I like it right out of the cow. Freezing

meat doesn't seem like a big deal to me though, but I know others

find the flavor compromise unacceptable, and I do avoid it within the

limits of practicality. My next-door neighbors are serious meat

connoisseurs and the husband works in Kobe, Japan in the summertime

sometimes and eats Kobe beef, etc. They adamantly avoid frozen

meat... Man, they tell me these stories about the special gourmet

bacon in Japan... Yikes...

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

I love Organic Pastures milk! Not sure about frozen, though. I am lucky

enough to have it at my local HFS. Also their raw cream, raw butter &

colostrum.

Jo

San Francisco

I'm

> > wondering if ordering from Organic Pastures in CA is my best bet

> for

> > the baby. They seem to be the gold standard for raw milk. It

will

> > come frozen, though, so I think that means some of the benficial

> > bacteria will have been killed off.

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Hi,

Have you checked out this page at WA Price Web site:

http://www.westonaprice.org/children/breastfeed.html

I'm guessing that the woman at the dairy who says she wouldn't give the milk to

a 10 month old baby is just protecting herself without understanding the good

qualities of her certified milk. Doesn't Nourishing Traditions recommend raw

milk in their milk formula? Considering the protective substances in properly

produced raw milk, I'd feel confidant in using it.

I have finally found a source of raw milk 1 1/2 hours away! So we're enjoying

out first good fresh milk. I've been making kefir of all the pasteurized whole

milk that we get at the co-op and making smoothies.

Peace,

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raw milk for 10 month old baby

> I'm new to this group. Marie at radiant life suggested it because I

> have a lot of questions and do not know anybody else in my

> situation. It's strange sending out my story like this without

> knowing the people receiving it. Anyway.....

>

> I was not able to 100% breastfeed my baby. When I was pregnant, I

> did not even look into formula because it was not an option. I have

> been very into health and healthy eating for about 10 years (though

> the definition of " healthy eating " continually changes). AT 5 weeks,

> my baby was starving and I had to start supplementing. I absolutely

> hated doing it, but felt like I had no other options. So, I gave him

> all the breastmilk I could and then supplemented for the rest with

> commercial formula. Then, recently I picked up Sally Fallon's book

> because I was looking to make my own digestive enzymes, through

> fermenting foods. I found the baby formula recipe and was ecstatic.

> I ordered all the ingredients, but have been having difficulty with

> what to use as the base. I VERY much want my baby to have the

> benefits of raw milk,especially after all the commercial formula he

> has consumed, but I am not 100% confident that the source closest to

> me is clean enough. They are certified and are inspected once

> a month, but the woman on the phone (whose 13 year old daughter)

> drinks a half gallon a day of the milk) told me that she personally

> would not give it to a 10 month old baby. This is what has been

> holding me back. My husband and I have been drinking it for a couple

> of weeks now. I've been to all the websites and have been

> reading " the untold story of milk " amd I am learning A LOT. I'm

> wondering if ordering from Organic Pastures in CA is my best bet for

> the baby. They seem to be the gold standard for raw milk. It will

> come frozen, though, so I think that means some of the benficial

> bacteria will have been killed off.

>

> I do not know anybody who gives raw milk to their infants. I

> actually only know of 2 families that drink raw milk from this farm

> and their kids are much older. I would love to hear from anyone who

> feeds or has fed their baby raw milk. How did you decide it was safe?

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