food pyramid according to NT?

[Guest guest]

Has anyone developed an 'adjusted' food pyramid that is more accurate

(according to Nourishing Traditions research) for our daily dietary needs

than the current USDA food pyramid? Or, would it be more appropriate to

ask if there is a 'nutrient' pyramid for daily nutrient intake?

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Hi-

>Has anyone developed an 'adjusted' food pyramid that is more accurate

>(according to Nourishing Traditions research) for our daily dietary needs

>than the current USDA food pyramid? Or, would it be more appropriate to

>ask if there is a 'nutrient' pyramid for daily nutrient intake?

The Atkins people have a new food pyramid which is flexible based on

exercise, but WAPF doesn't really believe in a pyramid or in prescribed

macronutrient ratios. Here's the Atkins pyramid if you're interested,

though -- it's fairly consonant with WAPF principles.

http://atkins.com/Archive/2004/2/10-121449.html

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[Guest guest]

I should have noted the areas in which the Atkins pyramid is out of line

with WAPF principles, principally its acceptance of soy (represented by

tofu on the pyramid) and in its restriction of dairy to the second-highest

level of the pyramid. However, while their pyramid does restrict grains to

the top level, it allows a surprising amount for a low-carb regimen. At

any rate, the important emphasis -- eat more fat, more vegetables, more

animal products -- is in line with WAPF even if some of the particulars aren't.

> >Has anyone developed an 'adjusted' food pyramid that is more accurate

> >(according to Nourishing Traditions research) for our daily dietary needs

> >than the current USDA food pyramid? Or, would it be more appropriate to

> >ask if there is a 'nutrient' pyramid for daily nutrient intake?

>

>The Atkins people have a new food pyramid which is flexible based on

>exercise, but WAPF doesn't really believe in a pyramid or in prescribed

>macronutrient ratios. Here's the Atkins pyramid if you're interested,

>though -- it's fairly consonant with WAPF principles.

>

>http://atkins.com/Archive/2004/2/10-121449.html

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[Guest guest]

>Has anyone developed an 'adjusted' food pyramid that is more accurate

>(according to Nourishing Traditions research) for our daily dietary needs

>than the current USDA food pyramid? Or, would it be more appropriate to

>ask if there is a 'nutrient' pyramid for daily nutrient intake?

I think a few people have ... but even on this list,

people disagree as to what should be on said pyramid (i.e.

everyone has their own). Might depend on your genetics too.

I use the WD " pyramid " --- eat greens first, then protein,

and vegies, then starch. And let your body decide how much

of each it wants. And snack on fruit and raw vegies during

the day.

I personally think that if you restrict yourself to high-nutrient

foods that you aren't intolerant to, your body will decide

how much of what it wants. Some days I crave dried whole fish,

some days rare steak, some days big piles of greens. Sometimes

I just want grapefruit. It keeps changing ...

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone developed an 'adjusted' food pyramid that is more

accurate

> (according to Nourishing Traditions research) for our daily dietary

needs

> than the current USDA food pyramid? Or, would it be more

appropriate to

> ask if there is a 'nutrient' pyramid for daily nutrient intake?

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I would say question and reject the conceptual presuppositions of

the " food pyramid " class of theoretical objects. Why a pyramid?

Why not a circle, or a square, or a tree, or a queue, or a fruitcake,

or a bipedal body? While you will find a macronutrient article on

the WAPF site (overall a very nice article too) that might be roughly

translatable into pyramidal terms, and you could certainly point to

the actual practices of SF and other dietary role models, I think the

essential WAPF/NT worldview precludes any dietary prescriptions

narrow enough to be distilled in such a framework. I would say the

essence is " Eat minimally processed foods from good sources and be

sure to include animal foods; when in doubt let human traditions be

your guide " . What is that in pyramidese? (Don't forget the breadth

of the word " good " !) When you look at the incredible variety of

ecologies and lifestyles our species thrives in, with the

corresponding variety of diets, it is senseless to prescribe any

universal proportions of macronutrients, animal foods, etc. Check out

the quantitative and proportional diversity of NAPD. Here's another

take: " Veggies and Meat. Veggies and Meat. Veggies and Meat. Other

stuff as physiologies and circumstances permit or promote. " (Don't

forget that " meat " can include oysters, tortoise liver, etc.) Humans

can do great with low-fat or high-fat, 2% animal foods or 99% animal

foods, no grains or high grains, no dairy or hedonistic kefir-

centrism, no sea foods or mostly sea foods.... We are omnivores,

opportuno-vores, and adapto-vores. Okay, I don't need to belabor the

point!

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

At 10:13 PM 2/26/04 -0000, you wrote:

>(Don't forget that " meat " can include oysters, tortoise liver, etc.)

Hmmmmm. I wonder if I could choke down tortoise liver.

>We are omnivores, opportuno-vores, and adapto-vores.

Would it give me the ability to make up cool words like that? Or does

that come from the nutrients in other good sources?

MFJ

Any moment in which you feel like dancing is a perfect moment.

[Guest guest]

Mike asks - " Why a pyramid? Why not a circle, or a square, or a tree, or

a queue, or a fruitcake, or a bipedal body?

Ha ha ha! How about a bowl? I read on WAPF site about four food groups not

being so bad to begin with. And I'm sorry, but the present USDA scheme is

no pyramid, it's a stinking triangle! - Deanna

[Guest guest]

> Mike asks - " Why a pyramid? Why not a circle, or a square, or a

tree, or

> a queue, or a fruitcake, or a bipedal body?

>

> Ha ha ha! How about a bowl? I read on WAPF site about four food

groups not

> being so bad to begin with. And I'm sorry, but the present USDA

scheme is

> no pyramid, it's a stinking triangle! - Deanna

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OOOOOOOh! You're right! Duh, why didn't I pick up on that!

Yes, nothing but a stinking triangle!

Thanks!

" The USDA Food Triangle "

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

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--- In , " F. Jewett "

> Hmmmmm. I wonder if I could choke down tortoise liver.

>

>

> >We are omnivores, opportuno-vores, and adapto-vores.

>

> Would it give me the ability to make up cool words like that? Or

does

> that come from the nutrients in other good sources?

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I can't take any credit for the second one; it's " out there " . The

third one was improvised, but not so exciting...

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

You know, the four food groups weren't really so ideal in that they lumped

fruits and vegetables into one group. Most SAD folks need to up the veggies

a great deal. And nuts/seeds aren't really ideal lumped with high protein

sources, are they? Hmmm. Groups may well be better than shapes though,

conceptually.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

LOL... I've been b*tching about that for years!

>From: " Anton " <michaelantonparker@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: food pyramid according to NT?

>Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:05:56 -0000

>

>

> > Mike asks - " Why a pyramid? Why not a circle, or a square, or a

>tree, or

> > a queue, or a fruitcake, or a bipedal body?

> >

> > Ha ha ha! How about a bowl? I read on WAPF site about four food

>groups not

> > being so bad to begin with. And I'm sorry, but the present USDA

>scheme is

> > no pyramid, it's a stinking triangle! - Deanna

>@@@@@@@@@@@

>

>OOOOOOOh! You're right! Duh, why didn't I pick up on that!

>Yes, nothing but a stinking triangle!

>Thanks!

>

> " The USDA Food Triangle "

>

>Mike

>SE Pennsylvania

>

>

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