Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 In a message dated 2/20/04 3:07:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, heidis@... writes: > There was a thread on this some time ago. My own thoughts ... > the fiber seems to help gut cancer because it helps ferment into > butyrate, which is really good for the gut. However, fat > ferments into butyrate too (it is found in rancid butter, > for instance). Soooo ... the eskimo, eating a lot of rancid > fat, would be fine. Usually " rancid " refers to fats broken down by oxidation, but butyric acid is a fatty acid. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Katja, Have wondered the same myself especially with many claims of grain fiber helping diabetes. Think of all the northern tribes, especially Inuit that had little to no grains and some fruits, veggies in season. Could be a southern latitude ideology that found its way into the Western diet. Vaguely remember a report that actually compared by bulk poop of different tribes. Was an African tribe with the most. They were carnivores, maybe the Masai. Nice good amount of steak, potato, salad and vegetable does it for me. Heavy on carbs, fiber just the opposite. Gluten had plenty to do with that. > but the eskimos - do they get much in the way of fiber? (i know, i'm not an > eskimo, but in general " the eskimos " are the litmus i use to make sure that > i'm actually using my brain instead of listening to the monkeys > so, do we really need all that fiber? or is it perhaps that we need > (something crazy like 30g a day is the recommendation!) the fiber to > balance out the rest of the damage that we're doing to our system? Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 >so, do we really need all that fiber? or is it perhaps that we need >(something crazy like 30g a day is the recommendation!) the fiber to >balance out the rest of the damage that we're doing to our system? There was a thread on this some time ago. My own thoughts ... the fiber seems to help gut cancer because it helps ferment into butyrate, which is really good for the gut. However, fat ferments into butyrate too (it is found in rancid butter, for instance). Soooo ... the eskimo, eating a lot of rancid fat, would be fine. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 @@@@@@@@ Katja/Heidi: > >so, do we really need all that fiber? or is it perhaps that we need > >(something crazy like 30g a day is the recommendation!) the fiber to > >balance out the rest of the damage that we're doing to our system? > > There was a thread on this some time ago. My own thoughts ... > the fiber seems to help gut cancer because it helps ferment into > butyrate, which is really good for the gut. However, fat > ferments into butyrate too (it is found in rancid butter, > for instance). Soooo ... the eskimo, eating a lot of rancid > fat, would be fine. @@@@@@@@@@@@ Okay Katja, so what'll it be--the rancid walrus blubber or the veggies? My two thoughts about fiber are 1) that humans thrive under a huge variety of dietary conditions and the mainstream recommendations probably are compensatory with respect to the SAD, and 2) eating a lot of fiber is just a side-effect of eating a lot of foods (veggies, some seeds) I'd eat one way or another regardless of optimal fiber levels, hence a totally moot issue for me. Mike SE Pennsylvania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 At 03:23 PM 2/20/2004, you wrote: >Okay Katja, so what'll it be--the rancid walrus blubber or the >veggies? > >My two thoughts about fiber are 1) that humans thrive under a huge >variety of dietary conditions and the mainstream recommendations >probably are compensatory with respect to the SAD, and 2) eating a >lot of fiber is just a side-effect of eating a lot of foods (veggies, >some seeds) I'd eat one way or another regardless of optimal fiber >levels, hence a totally moot issue for me. > >Mike >SE Pennsylvania heehee. yeah. absolutely - i'm not ditching my veggies. but just in terms of getting a handle on what they tell us is " healthy " - it doesn't do any good to go around thinking you need fiber but not understanding why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 >Usually " rancid " refers to fats broken down by oxidation, but butyric acid is >a fatty acid. > >Chris Yep ... I agree ... I don't know a darn thing about it, except that they say butyric acid is found (in food sources) primarily in rancid butter. Maybe they meant " fermented " butter ... -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 In a message dated 2/20/04 8:29:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, heidis@... writes: > Yep ... I agree ... I don't know a darn thing about it, except that they > say > butyric acid is found (in food sources) primarily in rancid butter. Maybe > they > meant " fermented " butter ... Probably. People who don't eat fermented foods seem to think that food " goes bad " when it ferments. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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