Re: (Candida) Taking Nystatin?

[Guest guest]

Bee,

Read the whole article. I decided this was too darn important to put it off.

The book could wait.

You are an excellent writer. Very clear and concise. You said more article

than most people would have explained in a book. In fact it was nicer than a

book because it didn't have all the filler junk.

Thanks so much. . .

I was wondering do I have to go to a doctor to get Nystatin. . .Is that the best

choice for Candida overgrowth. I am sure I have it and would like to try to get

it under control.

After reading your article I came to the conclusion that that I probably won't

ever get rid of it. I think my case far to bad. But I am going on the diet at

least I hope to feel better in about 5 months. That is how long I have been

feeling bad.

Also have your heard of Enzymatic Therapy " Acidophilus Pearls " , by Natural

Medicines? Per Pill they have 1 billion Lactobacillus acidophilus and

Bifidobacterium longum. It lists other ingredients as palm oil, gelatin,

glycerin, lecithin and pectin. Hmmm wonder why the other ingredients.

Or what would you suggest?

It really expensive. . .

Thank for the help

Sheryl

Sheryl Illustrations

http://dovedesignsrus.com

[Guest guest]

My husband tried this, taking nystatin internally. We were told by

our ND that the candida quickly built immunity, so eliminating the

other high-sugar content foods (potatoes for instance) would be

important, no more than 1 piece of fruit per day. He used the

nystatin treatment as a one time thing, either it worked during your

first try taking it internal, but he didn't repeat it as he didn't

want to creat " super " candida.

In my husband's case it didn't solve the problem he was trying to

remedy, too many other things going on at once, an apparant

sensitivity to wheat and dairy, imbalanced gut flora; he is

currently avoiding sugar and wheat and dairy and is doing fantastic,

better than I have ever seen him do.

Good luck to you, Leann

>

> Bee,

>

> Read the whole article. I decided this was too darn important to

put it off. The book could wait.

>

> You are an excellent writer. Very clear and concise. You said

more article than most people would have explained in a book. In

fact it was nicer than a book because it didn't have all the filler

junk.

>

> Thanks so much. . .

>

> I was wondering do I have to go to a doctor to get Nystatin. . .Is

that the best choice for Candida overgrowth. I am sure I have it

and would like to try to get it under control.

>

> After reading your article I came to the conclusion that that I

probably won't ever get rid of it. I think my case far to bad. But

I am going on the diet at least I hope to feel better in about 5

months. That is how long I have been feeling bad.

>

> Also have your heard of Enzymatic Therapy " Acidophilus Pearls " ,

by Natural Medicines? Per Pill they have 1 billion Lactobacillus

acidophilus and Bifidobacterium longum. It lists other ingredients

as palm oil, gelatin, glycerin, lecithin and pectin. Hmmm wonder

why the other ingredients.

>

> Or what would you suggest?

>

> It really expensive. . .

>

> Thank for the help

> Sheryl

>

>

>

>

> Sheryl Illustrations

> http://dovedesignsrus.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gosh Leann Thanks so much for the information on the Nystatin. I didn't know

you could build up Super Candida. I think mine are pretty strong as it is. .

..don't need that

I think I am heading down the same road as your husband. No potatoes will be

very hard for me as I love them and the are a staple in my diet.

So he is basically eating low carb veggies, oil and meats? What kind of oils?

Is he taking a pro-biotic?

Sheryl

ebaypeeps <happygardeners@...> wrote:

My husband tried this, taking nystatin internally. We were told by

our ND that the candida quickly built immunity, so eliminating the

other high-sugar content foods (potatoes for instance) would be

important, no more than 1 piece of fruit per day. He used the

nystatin treatment as a one time thing, either it worked during your

first try taking it internal, but he didn't repeat it as he didn't

want to creat " super " candida.

In my husband's case it didn't solve the problem he was trying to

remedy, too many other things going on at once, an apparant

sensitivity to wheat and dairy, imbalanced gut flora; he is

currently avoiding sugar and wheat and dairy and is doing fantastic,

better than I have ever seen him do.

Good luck to you, Leann

--- In , Sheryl

wrote:

>

> Bee,

>

> Read the whole article. I decided this was too darn important to

put it off. The book could wait.

>

> You are an excellent writer. Very clear and concise. You said

more article than most people would have explained in a book. In

fact it was nicer than a book because it didn't have all the filler

junk.

>

> Thanks so much. . .

>

> I was wondering do I have to go to a doctor to get Nystatin. . .Is

that the best choice for Candida overgrowth. I am sure I have it

and would like to try to get it under control.

>

> After reading your article I came to the conclusion that that I

probably won't ever get rid of it. I think my case far to bad. But

I am going on the diet at least I hope to feel better in about 5

months. That is how long I have been feeling bad.

>

> Also have your heard of Enzymatic Therapy " Acidophilus Pearls " ,

by Natural Medicines? Per Pill they have 1 billion Lactobacillus

acidophilus and Bifidobacterium longum. It lists other ingredients

as palm oil, gelatin, glycerin, lecithin and pectin. Hmmm wonder

why the other ingredients.

>

> Or what would you suggest?

>

> It really expensive. . .

>

> Thank for the help

> Sheryl

>

>

>

>

> Sheryl Illustrations

> http://dovedesignsrus.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sheryl,

Just so you know, I don't *know* that you can create super candida,

I just know that is what the ND told us he was trying to avoid, and

why my husband didn't do a repeat round of nystatin. The only

reason I brought it up was that a yeast cleanse alone wouldn't have

solved the problem for my husband, and each person is different. In

his case food sensitivities were also a problem, and the chicken and

egg debate about which came first wasn't useful because the reality

was that on a day to day basis he felt awful, he had to eliminate a

few things at once just to get some decent health. But it took time

to become willing to go through with it, because it was such a huge

life change--and once he started he didn't have to wait 5 months to

see change, within 30 days he was feeling much better than he has in

years.

The ND suggested drinking water with several drops of grapefruit

seed extract, several times a day. Doesn't taste so good, but does

seem to help. Also, if necessary my husband will use a solaray

product called " Yeast Cleanse " .

To let you know what my husband was dealing with, intense fatigue,

brain fogginess, persistent athletes foot and sometimes a yeasty

rash that would attack his privates, a rash that developed on his

hand, extreme belchy-ness/gassyness, susceptible to every single

illness that came along which would then turn into a sinus infection

within a day or two (that was the wheat and dairy sensitivity

effect), " crashing " after certain meals (wheat, sugars, like real

maple syrup on pancakes would put him over the edge with fatigue),

he was sick every single week of every single month of the year, at

least 1 day, sometimes an entire week or more at a time.

There were times my husband used gentian violet for his athletes

foot, and even that didn't keep it away for long.

The yeast treatment with the ND didn't solve the whole problem,

because of the wheat and dairy sensitivity. Also, at that time my

husband was unwilling to give up the high sugar foods, even if they

were natural sugars, like the maple syrup.

He finally got sick and tired of being sick and tired (literally!),

and stopped ingesting processed cane sugar, any high sugar sweet.

When we have rice pancakes (not all the time) he usually just puts

butter on them, if we are feeling daring he will use a shot glass of

real maple syrup--but we have only done this twice in the last 6

months. He gets upset if I bring rice waffles (freezer waffles)

into the house because they have some sort of pear syrup or

something.

Currently he eats no wheat, mostly rice or oats as a grain, oatmeal

with 1 tsp local raw honey or maple syrup and plain rice milk (which

has its own sweetener, so he goes easy on it), sometimes will add a

couple of chopped dates to the oatmeal or raisins and walnuts, still

drinking coffee but adds no sweetener or rice milk to it. Dairy is

very infrequent, as it does provoke a mucus response in him, at

least during these winter months. I know rice cakes are considered

naughty, but we use 'em because they are quick, also will use corn

products, mostly tortillas at different times (another high glycemic

grain). We use a lot of mochi, we cut it thin and put it on the

waffle iron and use it as a base for sandwiches, if I don't have a

loaf of rice bread or rice flat bread around.

I should note--we have not found an affordable source of raw milk

yet, so it might be that after re-balancing gut flora that he, maybe

even *we* could use raw milk products.

We eat lots of steamed greens (chard, collards, spinach, dandelion,

etc.), meats of all kinds (this includes sea foods, poultry, etc.),

eggs (we go through 5 dozen eggs every 2 weeks or so), butter, olive

oil, coconut oil, peanut butter, nuts and seeds. Also, since I am

recently into making sauerkraut and kimchee, we eat these condiments

twice a day. We can't afford to buy pro-biotics, so this is what we

are using right now--it's cheap, and tastes yummy!

(I highly recommend Sandor Katz's _Wild Fermentation_ book.)

The couple of times my husband has strayed from this, and had jam

(fruit sweetened) on some rice bread, or gorged on dried fruit of

any kind he has a " crash " reaction and within 1-3 days will get sick

with whatever is going around.

As long as he sticks to his diet he has been healthier than the rest

of us! Interestingly enough, he is able to eat modest quantities of

potatoes, but since I grew up eating rice, I don't cook lots of

potatoes. I am actually the one who has more a glycemic " crash "

when I eat potatoes, I don't know if that's a racial thing or not, I

am Hispanic and he is Caucasian (Northern European stock). I seem

to process rice fantastically, he does wonderfully with oats.

Soaking any of the grains makes it easier for both of us.

Anyway, don't know if that is helpful or not. I have lots of

suggestions about how to use rice instead of potatoes, if that is a

direction you think you might be headed, feel free to e-mail me off

list at happygardeners@...

Cheers, Leann

> >

> > Bee,

> >

[Guest guest]

Sheryl,

I forgot something--my husband does eat fruit. I think he tries to

limit how much fruit, maybe only one a day, not many bananas (but

they aren't off limits), trying to eat what is in season. Oh who am

I kidding, I love mangos, if they look nice and the price is right,

yes we eat mangos!

Our ND believed that fruit had benefits, even for folks with

candidasis, and that these benefits outweighed the negatives,

especially if other dietary and lifestyle changes are being made.

Also, when treating ladies who had topical thrush from breastfeeding

(again, the source problem is gut imbalance he would tell us) he

discouraged drinking alcoholic beverages, especially beers and wines

as they are high in sugars, just like fruit juices.

Cheers, Leann

[Guest guest]

Leann wrote:>>

Just so you know, I don't *know* that you can create super candida,

I just know that is what the ND told us he was trying to avoid, and

why my husband didn't do a repeat round of nystatin.

Sheryl wrote> Leann,

Can't tell you how much I appreciate you taking the time to write. I think it

makes sense. But I will try to check out information on the net to see what

they say.

Leann wrote:>> The only reason I brought it up was that a yeast cleanse alone

wouldn't have solved the problem for my husband, and each person is different.

In his case food sensitivities were also a problem, and the chicken and egg

debate about which came first wasn't useful because the reality was that on a

day to day basis he felt awful, he had to eliminate a few things at once just to

get some decent health. But it took time

to become willing to go through with it, because it was such a huge life

change--and once he started he didn't have to wait 5 months to see change,

within 30 days he was feeling much better than he has in years.

Sheryl> It is the same for me as it was your husband. It has taken me a long

time to get to the point that I am ready finally conquer this. It is a very

huge life style change.

Leann wrote:>> The ND suggested drinking water with several drops of grapefruit

seed extract, several times a day. Doesn't taste so good, but does seem to help.

Also, if necessary my husband will use a solaray product called " Yeast Cleanse " .

Sheryl >The grapefruit extract thing is helpful information as I took that

myself for a while in tablet form and thought it helped me also. The tablets I

took were suppose to have suppose to be equivalent to 15 drops of extract. I am

going to start taking it again this am.

Leann wrote:>> To let you know what my husband was dealing with, intense

fatigue,

brain fogginess, persistent athletes foot and sometimes a yeasty rash that would

attack his privates, a rash that developed on his hand, extreme

belchy-ness/gassyness, susceptible to every single illness that came along which

would then turn into a sinus infection within a day or two (that was the wheat

and dairy sensitivity effect), " crashing " after certain meals (wheat, sugars,

like real maple syrup on pancakes would put him over the edge with fatigue), he

was sick every single week of every single month of the year, at least 1 day,

sometimes an entire week or more at a time.

Sheryl > He symptoms sound similar to mine. I developed eczema on my hands.

Not all of my hands mostly my ring finger. Sometimes other fingers were

involved. I also get it on my elbows, not much but it is irritating. I also

get flakes in my ears. I too had a belchy-ness/gassyness. I too was

susceptible to every single illness that came along. If my family got sick I

refused to touch them. I hated that as I am a real touchy feely kind of person.

I also got the crashing after meals that contained wheat, sugars. Although I

crave them like I had to have them. When I ate maple syrup I too would feel

like I wanted to go back to bed. This is amazing.

Leann wrote:The yeast treatment with the ND didn't solve the whole problem,

because of the wheat and dairy sensitivity. Also, at that time my husband was

unwilling to give up the high sugar foods, even if they were natural sugars,

like the maple syrup.

Sheryl > Yes me too just like a drug I have to have it.

Leann>>He finally got sick and tired of being sick and tired (literally!), and

stopped ingesting processed cane sugar, any high sugar sweet. When we have rice

pancakes (not all the time) he usually just puts butter on them, if we are

feeling daring he will use a shot glass of real maple syrup--but we have only

done this twice in the last 6

months. He gets upset if I bring rice waffles (freezer waffles) into the house

because they have some sort of pear syrup or something.

Currently he eats no wheat, mostly rice or oats as a grain, oatmeal with 1 tsp

local raw honey or maple syrup and plain rice milk (which has its own sweetener,

so he goes easy on it), sometimes will add a couple of chopped dates to the

oatmeal or raisins and walnuts, still drinking coffee but adds no sweetener or

rice milk to it. Dairy is very infrequent, as it does provoke a mucus response

in him, at least during these winter months. I know rice cakes are considered

naughty, but we use 'em because they are quick, also will use corn products,

mostly tortillas at different times (another high glycemic grain). We use a lot

of mochi, we cut it thin and put it on the waffle iron and use it as a base for

sandwiches, if I don't have a loaf of rice bread or rice flat bread around.

Sheryl> Was he ever grain free? That is what I am going to have to do. It is

had but I am ready. I have been gradually cutting back.

Leann>>

I should note--we have not found an affordable source of raw milk yet, so it

might be that after re-balancing gut flora that he, maybe even *we* could use

raw milk products.

We eat lots of steamed greens (chard, collards, spinach, dandelion, etc.), meats

of all kinds (this includes sea foods, poultry, etc.), eggs (we go through 5

dozen eggs every 2 weeks or so), butter, olive oil, coconut oil, peanut butter,

nuts and seeds. Also, since I am recently into making sauerkraut and kimchee, we

eat these condiments

twice a day. We can't afford to buy pro-biotics, so this is what we are using

right now--it's cheap, and tastes yummy!

(I highly recommend Sandor Katz's _Wild Fermentation_ book.)

The couple of times my husband has strayed from this, and had jam (fruit

sweetened) on some rice bread, or gorged on dried fruit of any kind he has a

" crash " reaction and within 1-3 days will get sick with whatever is going

around.

Sheryl> Doesn't matter for me what kind of sugar it is I get that same thing of

crashing. I read in Bees article that even the fake sugars can cause the yeast

growth. I chew sugarless gum. It is the only fake sugar I use but I do chew

it.

Leann>> As long as he sticks to his diet he has been healthier than the rest of

us! Interestingly enough, he is able to eat modest quantities of potatoes, but

since I grew up eating rice, I don't cook lots of potatoes. I am actually the

one who has more a glycemic " crash " when I eat potatoes, I don't know if that's

a racial thing or not, I am Hispanic and he is Caucasian (Northern European

stock). I seem to process rice fantastically, he does wonderfully with oats.

Soaking any of the grains makes it easier for both of us.

Sheryl> How long do you soak them? Do you just soak them right out on the

counter?

Leann >> Anyway, don't know if that is helpful or not. I have lots of

suggestions about how to use rice instead of potatoes, if that is a direction

you think you might be headed, feel free to e-mail me off list at

happygardeners@...

Sheryl> I am so very grateful for your time. I will be grain free for a while.

I think all grains are bad for me. Never have soaked grains though. Why is

that suppose to help. Is it becaus it breaks down the grain and make it easier

to digest?

In a month or so I will test the rice and see how it goes. Actually I love rice

too. But it is really bad for me I can tell because I could eat a whole pan of

it. I have to go all out for this now. I am feeling so badly it is truly time.

Thanks!!

Sheryl

Sheryl Illustrations

http://dovedesignsrus.com

[Guest guest]

Leann wrote:

Sheryl,

I forgot something--my husband does eat fruit. I think he tries to

limit how much fruit, maybe only one a day, not many bananas (but

they aren't off limits), trying to eat what is in season. Oh who am

I kidding, I love mangos, if they look nice and the price is right,

yes we eat mangos!

Our ND believed that fruit had benefits, even for folks with

candidasis, and that these benefits outweighed the negatives,

especially if other dietary and lifestyle changes are being made.

Also, when treating ladies who had topical thrush from breastfeeding

(again, the source problem is gut imbalance he would tell us) he

discouraged drinking alcoholic beverages, especially beers and wines

as they are high in sugars, just like fruit juices.

Leann,

I don't eat fruit as it makes my eczema on my hands worse. I love fruit. I

think it is probably the candida thing.

I don't drink much at all. Maybe a half a glass of wine every other month. I

do have an occasional beer with pizza. I miss not having glass of wine. . .but

have found I feel gross after.

Thanks again!

Sheryl

Sheryl Illustrations

http://dovedesignsrus.com

[Guest guest]

Sheryl,

>

> Sheryl> Was he ever grain free? That is what I am going to have

to do. It is had but I am ready. I have been gradually cutting

back.

No, he hasn't been grain free. We did try Atkins for a short period

of time but *I* got sick from it within 2 weeks, and since I am the

only one who cooks we continue with grain. He is seeing results

without eliminating the grains altogether, but again each person is

individual. He does not have eczema, so we haven't had to take that

extra leap!

>

> Sheryl> Doesn't matter for me what kind of sugar it is I get that

same thing of crashing. I read in Bees article that even the fake

sugars can cause the yeast growth. I chew sugarless gum. It is the

only fake sugar I use but I do chew it.

I don't know much about this, have heard that nutra-sweet et al

disturb blood sugar levels just like sugars. Do you react to

xylitol as well? This is a birch syrup based sweetener, and has

anti-bacterial properties too (but not in excess, used in nasal

washes, etc.).

>

> Leann>> Soaking any of the grains makes it easier for both of us.

>

> Sheryl> How long do you soak them? Do you just soak them right

out on the counter?

In _Nourishing Traditions_ she gets into this, how soaking breaks

down different stuff, there are many folks on this list way more

knowledgeable than I am who could tell you clearly what it does, why

it's good, so I'll leave that up to them!

We are pretty busy people, so when we soak we soak for maybe 8

hours, never more than that because I am not that together! ;0)

Also, sometimes I am flat out lazy and don't do it.

Usually I put the grains in a bowl of water on the counter, or in

the pan they will cook in, with or without a cloth over the top. We

live in the NW US so our climate doesn't get terribly hot.

But, lets say if I have to leave at 8am, won't be back until 5pm, I

put rice in a pan of water on the stove, lid on or off, sometimes

with or without the added lemon juice or dairy whey, then simply

cook it when I return.

Also, soaking wheat did nothing for us, we just have a sensitivity,

or else our gut flora is still so messed up we can't process it.

>

> In a month or so I will test the rice and see how it goes.

Actually I love rice too. But it is really bad for me I can tell

because I could eat a whole pan of it. I have to go all out for

this now. I am feeling so badly it is truly time.

By the way--I am talking about BROWN RICE! If I cook white rice we

all have that addictive response, could eat bowls and bowls of it--

since there is no nutritional value, of course, the body continues

to say, " Better have more, I haven't received enough nutrients yet-

Better have more, I haven't received enough nutrients yet " . I have

this same response to denatured flours, I could eat 10 white flour

biscuits if left to my own devices, but when I eat a _Nourishing

Traditions_ soured whole grain biscuit--I can barely finish one.

However, I don't have the candida thing going on as bad as you

might, there is always the candida's desire to be fed that you have

to contend with!

Under the " cultured foods & pregnancy " thread (or something like

that) another woman shared her experience with leaky

gut/candida/eczema. Her solution involved eating raw. I'm not

saying you should try that, but just each person is different, some

aspects of your experience sound similar to hers, you might want to

read what she has written recently.

Cheers, Leann

[Guest guest]

Leann,

Is Nystatin just an antifungal or antibiotic too? Antibiotics destroy both

good and bad gut bacteria which can with long term, mutiple uses destroy

immunity.

> Just so you know, I don't *know* that you can create super candida,

> I just know that is what the ND told us he was trying to avoid, and

> why my husband didn't do a repeat round of nystatin.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

Our ND and another MD both said the same thing, that nystatin

specifically targets candida, does not function as a broad spectrum

anti-fungal (like flagell, or however you spell that).

Leann

> Leann,

>

> Is Nystatin just an antifungal or antibiotic too? Antibiotics

destroy both

> good and bad gut bacteria which can with long term, mutiple uses

destroy

> immunity.

>

> > Just so you know, I don't *know* that you can create super

candida,

> > I just know that is what the ND told us he was trying to avoid,

and

> > why my husband didn't do a repeat round of nystatin.

>

> Wanita