RE: Michele/kimchi/fish/kale

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> > Hi Heidi...

> > What about some little fish? Are the shrimps " fishy " .? I love fish,

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> > shrimp are gross to me -

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>Go for little fish AND little shrimps! That's what I do in my

>kimchi... The more the merrier. Shrimps are noble! Not as cute as

>crickets or waterbugs though.

UGH!! Waterbugs *shudder* I'll try the fish/shrimp thing when I make my kim

chee tomorrow.

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>Heidi and me both forgot to mention the golden rule of kimchi in our

>previous posts: Anything goes! (Unless it specifically interferes

>with the fermentation, like too much iodine or something.)

What about bananas, hmm? Or MegaBlocks?

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>goitrogen/iodine/thyroid thing...

The what??? Explain please....I eat them raw, but marinated, not fermented

though.

Hanging on your every word about the holy K,

Michele

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> What about bananas, hmm? Or MegaBlocks?

I don't know what a MegaBlock is, but it doesn't sound like something

that grows in the soil or has a parent... bananas would be fine...

keep in my fruit makes it fizzier and might introduce a little more

alcohol?

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> >goitrogen/iodine/thyroid thing...

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> The what??? Explain please....I eat them raw, but marinated, not

fermented

> though.

I honestly don't know much about this. You'd know more than me after

two minutes of googling... Like many raw plant foods, brassicas

have antinutrients that should be avoided in large quantities...

goitrogens apparently interfere with iodine absorption... that's

about all I know... NT mentions it in the veggie chapter, but no

details... When I first got NT about 1.5 years ago I was eating

about a pound of kale per day, half raw, half boiled... I figured

since I didn't know which was better, I'd eat both! Now I mostly

just steam all my kale, except the young small leaves that are too

precious to cook or when I can't help but to do some snacking out in

the field when I'm picking my kale and other veggies... (I pick most

of my veggies by hand at a local organic farm...) I find raw kale

more delicious than cooked, but for the time being I'm more or less

trusting the conventional wisdom about goitrogens... I cook my

stinging nettle too

So anyway, check into that goitrogen thing... The basic rule of

thumb is not to overdo raw plant foods... except when wild mulberries

are in season...

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

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Hi Mike..

The ex raw vegan part of me is having screaming fits right about now. Raw

plant food is bad??????

It's like, the base of my pyramid.

I don't like steamed kale. I like cooked broccoli though, and collards.

Maybe I'll sitch around, but broccoli is low in calcium compared to kale.

Slightly deflated

Michele

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>Subject: Re: Michele/kimchi/fish/kale

>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:02:46 -0000

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> > What about bananas, hmm? Or MegaBlocks?

>

>I don't know what a MegaBlock is, but it doesn't sound like something

>that grows in the soil or has a parent... bananas would be fine...

>keep in my fruit makes it fizzier and might introduce a little more

>alcohol?

>

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> > >goitrogen/iodine/thyroid thing...

> >

> > The what??? Explain please....I eat them raw, but marinated, not

>fermented

> > though.

>

>I honestly don't know much about this. You'd know more than me after

>two minutes of googling... Like many raw plant foods, brassicas

>have antinutrients that should be avoided in large quantities...

>goitrogens apparently interfere with iodine absorption... that's

>about all I know... NT mentions it in the veggie chapter, but no

>details... When I first got NT about 1.5 years ago I was eating

>about a pound of kale per day, half raw, half boiled... I figured

>since I didn't know which was better, I'd eat both! Now I mostly

>just steam all my kale, except the young small leaves that are too

>precious to cook or when I can't help but to do some snacking out in

>the field when I'm picking my kale and other veggies... (I pick most

>of my veggies by hand at a local organic farm...) I find raw kale

>more delicious than cooked, but for the time being I'm more or less

>trusting the conventional wisdom about goitrogens... I cook my

>stinging nettle too

>

>So anyway, check into that goitrogen thing... The basic rule of

>thumb is not to overdo raw plant foods... except when wild mulberries

>are in season...

>

>Mike

>SE Pennsylvania

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> Hi Mike..

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> The ex raw vegan part of me is having screaming fits right about

now. Raw

> plant food is bad??????

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> It's like, the base of my pyramid.

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No, not bad. Often wonderful. The key word is " overdo " ! Really, when

you get down to it, the only thing in life it's okay to overdo is

kefir! (In all seriousness, things like muscle meats, milk, and

fermented/cooked starches are probably fine in quite large

quantities... And I can't see any reason not to eat large quantities

of cooked veggies unless they are medicinal in some way... I guess

every food has to be taken individually...) It's hard to

define " overdo " , but 15 cups of raw kale definitely fits the bill,

King of the Vegetables or not...

I eat a lot of different raw plant foods, especially sprouts (about

15 kinds), kimchi, various greens, wild berries, but it's all about

variety and small quantities of each item (except when I'm picking

the wild mulberries). My diet is about 80-85% raw, about half-

animal, half-plant... seasonal variation...

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

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>What about bananas, hmm? Or MegaBlocks?

Never tried bananas, but persimmons are a classic

addition. Apples are good. Pinenuts and seseme

seeds are classic too (and yummy). Pumpkin (green

or ripe). Watermelon peel would be good, I think.

I'm adding dried cuttlefish strips too. Raw oysters

are classic but I haven't tried that either.

MegaBlocks .... well, we are kind of anti-plastic ;--)

-- Heidi