Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 > From: " Christie " <christiekeith@e...> > > > >> If someone wants *marriage* > > then they need to find someone of the opposite gender to marry. But > if > > they want a partner of their same gender, then please call it > > something else, because it's not a marriage. << > > > > See, I think you're dead wrong. It IS a marriage, even if your brain > can't grasp that or it just makes you feel icky or it blows your mind > or whatever your problem with it is. Your reaction doesn't change what > it is. > > And neither does YOUR saying it's a marriage make it a marriage. > Actually, I do have a basis for defining marriage and it's the Bible. > Now maybe you don't believe it and don't give any credence to it, but > I do. You've had your say on this list, and now I'm sharing mine also. > > > > >> But then you say you want to change > > the basic elements of what that is, and call it the same thing. << > > > > I have no idea what this means. > > Let me reword it: you want to change the basic elements that make a > marriage a marriage (a man and a woman in procreative sexual union), > and then still call it marriage. If you change everything about the > basic framework of something, how can it still be the same thing? It's > like taking the head off a dog and putting it on a cat, then changing > its legs for bird legs, and putting an elephant's trunk on it, and > still calling it a cat. Even if you could do it it still wouldn't be a > cat. > > > > > >> Yes, homosexual partnerships > > have existed for a very long time, but they have never been > described > > in any society as a marriage. << > > > > So if that changes, if a society, let's say, an urban area of > several million people like, oh, the San Francisco Bay Area, or a > state like, oh, say Massachusetts, does describe it as a marriage, > you'll drop your opposition? > > Of course not, for the reason I gave above. I ascribe to a higher > Being than the government or society, and no matter what they call a > homosexual partnership, it doesn't change what it is, nor does it > change what marriage is as God not only defined it, but created it to > be. > > > > >> Certainly that can be pursued without messing with the whole > > institution of marriage, which has been well established and defined > > since the beginning of time. << > > > > We've had a lot of things since the dawn of time, like slavery, > which we now find unconscionable, and wars of imperialism, and > religous intolerance, and the oppression of women, and infanticide. > > > > If you mean that " no other society in history has given lesbian and > gay couples the same legal protection as heterosexual couples, " then I > have to ask, are you seriously suggesting that the United States > should never offer a freedom or right that no other nation ever > offered before? Or that if I could find one example from antiquity of > a legal gay marriage you'd abandon your objections? That makes no > sense at all as the basis for your argument. There was a time when > mixed race marriage was illegal. Was the first state that legalized it > wrong, because no other state had ever allowed it before? Women didn't > used to be able to vote. Was the first country that gave women the > vote wrong, because they'd never had it before? > > > > These things are completely different than what you're proposing. > Again, you want something that someone else has but you want to change > what it is. A mixed race marriage still involves a man and a woman in > procreative sexual union. Women voting didn't change the definition of > voting. And so on. > > > > To say there have " never " been same-gender marriages is just plain > wrong. I've known a large number of lesbians and gay men who were > married. I've been to their weddings. Some churches marry lesbians and > gay men identically to heterosexual couples. Wedding gift registries, > chuppas, families in attendance, bad cover bands, and all. > > > > Going through all those motions don't make two people of the same > gender married. They can pretend that it does, but no matter what they > do, they'll never be able to do what a man and a woman can: unite in > such a way to create another life without anyone else involved. > > ~ Fern Amen! You could not have said it better, Fern. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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