Re: gluten intolerance crazy! and warrior diet. conservation of posts.

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In a message dated 3/1/04 2:28:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, katja@...

writes:

> i've been warrior dieting for a week. and all through the week i stayed

> very steady at 190 but i didn't lose any weight, despite eating much less!

> then, yesterday when i weighed myself, i'd gained 2 pounds!! not only that,

> but i fainted yesterday, which i haven't been doing since, ya know, i've

> been well-nourished. (when i was a kid and had... " issues " ...i used to

> faint all the time) so of course, my immediate thought was, well, clearly i

> didn't eat enough that day. except...i dunno. i ate as much as i was hungry

> to eat. which is, admittedly, considerably less than i usually eat, but

> even at that - for how much baby fat i'm still carrying around...ya know,

> i'm seriously bored. are you still reading? it's amazing how much gets

> babbled when i'm bored...

What are you eating during the day?

It might help to eat a light protein snack (meaning anything 4 oz or under--

preferably something easily digestible like raw eggs/egg yolks) immediately

after waking up, and do so several times throughout the day. I'd use coconut

oil during the day, which should help you lose weight and also fits with the WD

idea of giving the digestive system a break during the undereating phase.

Also, make sure you're getting a decent supply of water soluble nutrients with

some raw celery and maybe some other nutrient-dense low-carb raw fruit/veggie.

Remember that the point is to undereat, not fast, and that you still need the

minimum of what your body requires to function optimally-- just nothing more.

Protein should help stimulate lipolysis, as should the regular light

snacking and the eating (light) immediately after waking.

As a side-note, the undereating is supposed to help fat loss by stimulating

cAMP, like adrenaline does; however, this is essentially only as effective as

the level of thyroid hormone you're secreting. You may want to get more iodine

or coconut oil or anything that helps boost thyroid hormone (unless you

suspect iodine excess, in which case you should moderate it). You may not be

clinically hypothyroid, but could nevertheless have suboptimal levels of thyroid

hormone from a weight loss perspective.

Good luck!

Chris

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....ya know,

>i'm seriously bored. are you still reading? it's amazing how much gets

>babbled when i'm bored...

>

i am! but i'm not sure why...guess i'm bored too. LOL!

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[Guest guest]

> i've been warrior dieting for a week. and all through the

> week i stayed very steady at 190 but i didn't lose any

> weight, despite eating much less! then, yesterday when

> i weighed myself, i'd gained 2 pounds!!

My physical trainer would say that is the expected outcome of such a

diet. He says the extended time with little or no food consumption

tells the body to hold on to fat. His recommendation is small meals

spaced throughout the day so that the body thinks there is food

aplenty and no need to hold on to large fat stores.

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At 03:23 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:

>My physical trainer would say that is the expected outcome of such a

>diet. He says the extended time with little or no food consumption

>tells the body to hold on to fat. His recommendation is small meals

>spaced throughout the day so that the body thinks there is food

>aplenty and no need to hold on to large fat stores.

>

>

thanks for weighing in, john!

that was always my understanding of how things worked too. but the WD

claims that there's a cycle, and that if you don't give your body time to

do the burning, then it will only do the storing...

i wondered about this in terms of " nativity " - and whether there's

precident for it or whether we're trying to manufacture a simulation of

what was really happening or whether it's just somebody's theory.

any more thoughts? currently my evidence says john is right...

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@@@@@ Katja:

> so, heidi -

> ever since you got me started looking into gluten intolerance, i'm

tellin

> you - everyone i see i'm like - oh, you're gluten intolerant! hey

you!

> you're gluten intolerant! you there in the hat - step away from the

bulky roll!

@@@@@@@

adadlfaaaaad;lfajdfjjad;lfiadfh!!!!!!!!

Someday I'm going to become paralyzed for life when I flip over and

twist my body into an Mobius configuration from laughing at your

posts Katja!

But that is just like when I first was learning about the (now

totally passe) low-carb thing... In public I was always

thinking " yo fatty, ya like them carbs, huh? " Okay, okay, I know

this is BAD, but I gotta be honest! Ya know, the excitement of new

ideas and all that...

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

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At 06:15 PM 3/1/04 EST, you wrote:

>however, this is essentially only as effective as

>the level of thyroid hormone you're secreting. You may want to get more

iodine

>or coconut oil or anything that helps boost thyroid hormone (unless you

>suspect iodine excess, in which case you should moderate it). You may not

be

>clinically hypothyroid, but could nevertheless have suboptimal levels of

thyroid

>hormone from a weight loss perspective.

>

Whoa, that's interesting. I hadn't made that connection before - but it

may have a bearing on some of my own issues re: weight (as in it SHOULD be

coming off, but it's not). It may be time to go ahead and switch to

Armour sooner than I thought - will check into that more, after I get

another full panel done. Something to think about, anyway. Thanks!

MFJ

There are no stupid questions, but there are plenty of silly ones.

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>so, heidi -

>ever since you got me started looking into gluten intolerance, i'm tellin

>you - everyone i see i'm like - oh, you're gluten intolerant! hey you!

>you're gluten intolerant! you there in the hat - step away from the bulky roll!

Heh heh. Yeah, I have that problem myself. Some people

are even worse:

http://dogtorj.tripod.com/foodstuff/id1.html

>in the spirit of conservation of posts, and in an attempt to confuse the

>heck outta everyone (hey, i'm bored!)

>

>i've been warrior dieting for a week. and all through the week i stayed

>very steady at 190 but i didn't lose any weight, despite eating much less!

>then, yesterday when i weighed myself, i'd gained 2 pounds!!

OK, well, since you are bored I'll go out on a limb and propose something

even more controversial, yes, more controversial than the demise

of the dinosaurs or libertarianism. Since I believe in " truth no matter what "

I'm willing to entertain any and all ideas, even if they are against

the party line ....

Anyway, what I am getting at is that I track my food daily, not to plan my

diet but to track it. Now, I've been losing dress sizes regularly, but not

many pounds. Then I suddenly lost about 5 lbs. The levelled off again.

So I put all my data on a chart, and guess what? The times I lost

lbs I also was eating less <gasp> calories. And eating different foods.

Basically, I seem to lose weight when I'm on my broth/yam noodle

phases. Yam noodles, of course, are a lower-glycemic food (even

though they are pure starch). And not sticky, by dogtor's standards.

The people studying feast/fast diets say some people lose weight,

some people don't. So, I'm trying to figure out what works *for me*.

And lest people think I'm totally off the deep end, I do understand

that there are a LOT of variables here. On ketogenic diets, one can

likely eat more calories and still lose weight. Also absorption has

a lot to do with it ... a lot of people don't absorb fat well, so eating

a lot of fat is a good way for some people to lose weight.

Now if a person has malabsorption issues, which most gluten-intolerant

folks do, then they find they eat less and less and sometimes gain weight

because they are just absorbing more of what they eat.

>not only that,

>but i fainted yesterday, which i haven't been doing since, ya know, i've

>been well-nourished. (when i was a kid and had... " issues " ...i used to

>faint all the time) so of course, my immediate thought was, well, clearly i

>didn't eat enough that day. except...i dunno. i ate as much as i was hungry

>to eat. which is, admittedly, considerably less than i usually eat, but

>even at that - for how much baby fat i'm still carrying around...ya know,

>i'm seriously bored. are you still reading? it's amazing how much gets

>babbled when i'm bored...

I used to get fainty from hunger and now I don't ... mine had

to do with cortisol, but it is supposed to become less of a problem

on the WD (and that issue has gone away for me). But are you

nursing? If so THAT changes your hormones big time (and I'm

not sure in what ways it changes them). Might make you need more

food too.

-- Heidi Jean

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At 06:45 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:

>I used to get fainty from hunger and now I don't ... mine had

>to do with cortisol, but it is supposed to become less of a problem

>on the WD (and that issue has gone away for me). But are you

>nursing? If so THAT changes your hormones big time (and I'm

>not sure in what ways it changes them). Might make you need more

>food too.

heidi -

oh, boy, am i nursing!

i could feed a preschool, my friend.

the other stuff you wrote is really interesting, i just have to be

interested tomorrow...

katja