Re: Urgent help....Epsom Salts - what are the side effects on ASD kids??

[Guest guest]

Don't know about side effects but these salts are helping him to detox

and so I suppose it could be happening too quickly. Our children are not

good at detoxing and it is too easy to go too fast with them. Maybe give

it a rest and then give him less. How much are you putting in?

Sara

louroberts69 wrote:

>

> I have recently been giving my son epsom salts baths (3 days) but for

> the last 2 days he has been incredibly aloof - in his own world,

> spelling words and writing in thin air constantly - hard to reach.

> Could this be due to the baths.

>

> What are the side effects of these salts if any.

>

> I am really worried.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara,

I have put in a tablespoon into a bath. Just seems like I have lost

him, if you know what I mean. He has only had 2 epsom baths since

thursday, would this affect him so quickly?

Just rather worried,he will look at me and seems distant and will not

answer me, without a struggle. Just don't want to do more harm than

good.

[Guest guest]

Ican't imagine there are side effects to epsoms salts but some kids are

very sensitive and will react like that. I think it's good. Anyone out

there think anything else????? and I think give him a rest and then try

him with a teaspoon or half a teaspoon.

Sara

louroberts69 wrote:

>

> Hi Sara,

>

> I have put in a tablespoon into a bath. Just seems like I have lost

> him, if you know what I mean. He has only had 2 epsom baths since

> thursday, would this affect him so quickly?

>

> Just rather worried,he will look at me and seems distant and will not

> answer me, without a struggle. Just don't want to do more harm than

> good.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't tolerate epsom salts, sulphate supplements and various other

sulphur supplemsnts. I know sulphate is an component of

detoxification and i have low plasma sulphate. Whatever the theory of

it symptoms include myclononic seizures, instant rages (even with an

epsome salt footbath, and feeling spaced out. In my case i feel quite

that something other than detox is going on. Microbes called

sulphate reducing bacteria (SRBs) can reduce sulphate to less

desirable forms of sulphur. I've read one opinion that these are a

normal part of gut flora, in which case I'd case I have an imbalance

of them. Sorry I need to dash so can't dig them out now.

In my case the symptoms abate over time but I do watch my sulphur

food in take more whilst this happens. (A bit like if you have a

yeast flare you watch sugar more.)

Let me know if you want more info and I'll dig it out later.

Sorry this has happened,

Jacqui

> >

> > Hi Sara,

> >

> > I have put in a tablespoon into a bath. Just seems like I have

lost

> > him, if you know what I mean. He has only had 2 epsom baths since

> > thursday, would this affect him so quickly?

> >

> > Just rather worried,he will look at me and seems distant and will

not

> > answer me, without a struggle. Just don't want to do more harm

than

> > good.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lou,

Sara has given you good advice, give him a rest from ES and try again

with a really low dose to see what happens. I think the fact that you

are seeing a reaction may well mean that he needs it but you will

need to build up very slowly. There is a document on the TA website

that you might like to read about ES for more info:

http://www.treatingautism.co.uk/useful-documents/

hth, Nikki

In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , Sara Moroza-

wrote:

>

> Ican't imagine there are side effects to epsoms salts but some kids

are

> very sensitive and will react like that. I think it's good. Anyone

out

> there think anything else????? and I think give him a rest and then

try

> him with a teaspoon or half a teaspoon.

> Sara

>

>

> louroberts69 wrote:

> >

> > Hi Sara,

> >

> > I have put in a tablespoon into a bath. Just seems like I have

lost

> > him, if you know what I mean. He has only had 2 epsom baths since

> > thursday, would this affect him so quickly?

> >

> > Just rather worried,he will look at me and seems distant and will

not

> > answer me, without a struggle. Just don't want to do more harm

than

> > good.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have recently been giving my son epsom salts baths (3 days) but for

> the last 2 days he has been incredibly aloof - in his own world,

> spelling words and writing in thin air constantly - hard to reach.

> Could this be due to the baths.

>

> What are the side effects of these salts if any.

>

> I am really worried.

>

Are you using BP grade Epsom salts? As there have been a few cases in

the U.S. and Australia of Epsom salts containing mercury it may be

worth contacting the manufacturers and asking for the European

equivalent of an assay or certificate of validation to check the

contents.

Kenny

[Guest guest]

>

> I have recently been giving my son epsom salts baths (3 days) but for

> the last 2 days he has been incredibly aloof - in his own world,

> spelling words and writing in thin air constantly - hard to reach.

> Could this be due to the baths.

>

> What are the side effects of these salts if any.

>

> I am really worried.

>

Are you using BP grade Epsom salts? As there have been a few cases in

the U.S. and Australia of Epsom salts containing mercury it may be

worth contacting the manufacturers and asking for the European

equivalent of an assay or certificate of validation to check the

contents.

Kenny

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I have recently been giving my son epsom salts baths (3 days) but

for

> > the last 2 days he has been incredibly aloof - in his own world,

> > spelling words and writing in thin air constantly - hard to

reach.

> > Could this be due to the baths.

> >

> > What are the side effects of these salts if any.

> >

> > I am really worried.

> >

> Are you using BP grade Epsom salts? As there have been a few cases

in

> the U.S. and Australia of Epsom salts containing mercury it may be

> worth contacting the manufacturers and asking for the European

> equivalent of an assay or certificate of validation to check the

> contents.

>

> Kenny

>

Hi Kenny thankyou for that. Ye they are BP. I have just rang the

company and they will be getting back to me regarding this issue of

contents. Would this be giving my son the withdrawal effect then??

Thanks

Lou

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I have recently been giving my son epsom salts baths (3 days) but

for

> > the last 2 days he has been incredibly aloof - in his own world,

> > spelling words and writing in thin air constantly - hard to

reach.

> > Could this be due to the baths.

> >

> > What are the side effects of these salts if any.

> >

> > I am really worried.

> >

> Are you using BP grade Epsom salts? As there have been a few cases

in

> the U.S. and Australia of Epsom salts containing mercury it may be

> worth contacting the manufacturers and asking for the European

> equivalent of an assay or certificate of validation to check the

> contents.

>

> Kenny

>

Hi Kenny thankyou for that. Ye they are BP. I have just rang the

company and they will be getting back to me regarding this issue of

contents. Would this be giving my son the withdrawal effect then??

Thanks

Lou

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > I have recently been giving my son epsom salts baths (3 days)

but

> for

> > > the last 2 days he has been incredibly aloof - in his own

world,

> > > spelling words and writing in thin air constantly - hard to

> reach.

> > > Could this be due to the baths.

> > >

> > > What are the side effects of these salts if any.

> > >

> > > I am really worried.

> > >

> > Are you using BP grade Epsom salts? As there have been a few

cases

> in

> > the U.S. and Australia of Epsom salts containing mercury it may

be

> > worth contacting the manufacturers and asking for the European

> > equivalent of an assay or certificate of validation to check the

> > contents.

> >

> > Kenny

> >

> Hi Kenny thankyou for that. Ye they are BP. I have just rang the

> company and they will be getting back to me regarding this issue of

> contents. Would this be giving my son the withdrawal effect then??

>

> Thanks

>

> Lou

>The 2 cases I read about here in Aus was that the baths were taken

over several months and made the kids sick, so a withdrawal sounds

unusual but to be honest I don't really know. BP (britsh

pharmaceutical) grade should be OK but I would stop giving Epsom

salts at least until you find out for sure whats in it.

We used Fauldings Epsom salts that was sourced in Australia but about

a year ago apparently they started sourcing it from China and is no

longer BP grade and they have not adequately replied to our concerns.

I really your son improves and will be thinking of him, please let us

know how things go.

Kenny

[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > > I have recently been giving my son epsom salts baths (3 days)

> but

> > for

> > > > the last 2 days he has been incredibly aloof - in his own

> world,

> > > > spelling words and writing in thin air constantly - hard to

> > reach.

> > > > Could this be due to the baths.

> > > >

> > > > What are the side effects of these salts if any.

> > > >

> > > > I am really worried.

> > > >

> > > Are you using BP grade Epsom salts? As there have been a few

> cases

> > in

> > > the U.S. and Australia of Epsom salts containing mercury it may

> be

> > > worth contacting the manufacturers and asking for the European

> > > equivalent of an assay or certificate of validation to check

the

> > > contents.

> > >

> > > Kenny

> > >

> > Hi Kenny thankyou for that. Ye they are BP. I have just rang

the

> > company and they will be getting back to me regarding this issue

of

> > contents. Would this be giving my son the withdrawal effect

then??

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Lou

> >The 2 cases I read about here in Aus was that the baths were taken

> over several months and made the kids sick, so a withdrawal sounds

> unusual but to be honest I don't really know. BP (britsh

> pharmaceutical) grade should be OK but I would stop giving Epsom

> salts at least until you find out for sure whats in it.

> We used Fauldings Epsom salts that was sourced in Australia but

about

> a year ago apparently they started sourcing it from China and is no

> longer BP grade and they have not adequately replied to our

concerns.

> I really your son improves and will be thinking of him, please let

us

> know how things go.

>

> Kenny

Sorry to get back to you again so soon but I was wondering if your

son is at school, my son is usually outgoing but the halfwit teachers

he has can make him stressed out and he sometimes withdraws for a few

days bad enough to sometimes keep him home until he gets back more

confidence and we go in and try to educate (again) his special needs

teachers. Maybe it's not epsom salt related, but still keep him off

them until you get more info.

Kenny

[Guest guest]

Lou,

i was just thinking about this and your sons reaction to E Salts is

quite unusual and i would like to suggest that it might be a good idea

to work with an experienced practitioner with him as he does seem

exceptionally sensitive.

I know the cost of doing this is a major hurdle for most of us but it

is possible to get funding to do this from Caudwell, many on this list

do just that, here is the link if you would like to apply:

http://www.caudwellchildren.com/

hth, Nikki x

In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , " louroberts69 "

wrote:

>

> Hi Sara,

>

> I have put in a tablespoon into a bath. Just seems like I have lost

> him, if you know what I mean. He has only had 2 epsom baths since

> thursday, would this affect him so quickly?

>

> Just rather worried,he will look at me and seems distant and will not

> answer me, without a struggle. Just don't want to do more harm than

> good.

>

[Guest guest]

Sara

I agree with previous poster - he could be sulphate sensitive.

There are other ways you can help him detox.

There may be another area in his methylation cycle which needs help

first before you can add in sulphate - attempting to add sulphate may

be causing a roadblock.

Nikki is right, I would apply to the Caudwell for some help to get a

DAN dr. on board.

We all go through our ups and downs though even with help, that is the

beauty of these boards. Please don't beat yourself up about, we all do

what we can to help our children.

Eileen

[Guest guest]

I wanted to add if you are considering chelation at any point, if he is

sulphur sensitive, DMSA might not be the obvious choice, because it is

sulphur-based and you might get a similar reaction.

So if you do get any help from a DAN Dr, this would be an important

finding to mention.

Eileen

[Guest guest]

,

could you explain how the Ep Salts would have possibly depleted

selenium please, i do not understand why this would happen???

Nikki

> Lou,

>

> I just posted to Sharon on this subject. How are your child's

selenium

> levels? The sulphate in the E.S may have caused them to go down.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nikki,

We know that minerals work against each other, a classic example being

zinc which will reduce copper and vice versa. Selenium apparently works

this way with sulphate Here is one link showing antagonistic

relationship between sulphate and selenium.

http://www.publish.csiro.au/?paper=EN05028

I know from farmers around here that the traditional way to get selenium

down is to give sulphate in the feed so the reverse will also be true,

sulphate should theoretically reduce selenium.

Now then, this principle of antagonism could also be applied to the

magnesium in the E.S. I just realized that the Mg could be reducing the

calcium. That might be the problem also. These children do seem to have

calcium transport problems so I wouldn't rule that out either. (Just

doing some free association here.)

Whatever you do, just do, just do it slowly and gently and watch for

reactions.....the body seems to do what the heck it wants to do most of

the time anyway :-)))

Nikki schrieb:

>

>

>

> ,

>

> could you explain how the Ep Salts would have possibly depleted

> selenium please, i do not understand why this would happen???

>

> Nikki

>

> > Lou,

> >

> > I just posted to Sharon on this subject. How are your child's

> selenium

> > levels? The sulphate in the E.S may have caused them to go down.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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