Re: great fear of pot belly

[Guest guest]

I knew someone who started gaining fat when she started drinking raw milk.

The thing about these native diets is that we're not leading native lives

physically. Maybe you just need to eat less.

Elaine

i have

> been experimenting on a raw meat diet for about three monthes in

> which i consumed great amount of raw beef and raw butter and some

> sauerkraut,beet kvass,bone broth, raw cream, raw cheese and

> sometimes raw fish, and so did my boyfriend.

[Guest guest]

@@@@ Bonny:

hey i just joined the list !! i'm a 20 year old female college

student who has found sally fallon's way of eating fabulous. i have

been experimenting on a raw meat diet for about three monthes in

which i consumed great amount of raw beef and raw butter and some

sauerkraut,beet kvass,bone broth, raw cream, raw cheese and

sometimes raw fish, and so did my boyfriend. (and among our college

friends we're the weirdest couple) recently we've found that maybe

we should start eating a more variety of foods, so we started a week

ago cooking some vegetables (before we insisted on fermenting them

only, but it's impossible for us to carry it out)

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Hi Bonny,

Wow, you're in the NT youth vanguard alongside and that really

cool kid from Quebec, (hasn't been on the list in a few months,

but he's still the winner since he was 17 back when he posted

actively)!! It's pretty cool to think of having an amazing life of

zero health problems by practicing prevention at an early age.

[apologies to older people on the list whose experiences have been

generously shared for others to learn from]. At 27, I'm no spring

chicken anymore, but luckily I enjoyed freedom from any health

problems on my SAD diet before I discovered WAPF/NT a bit under two

years ago, so I'm in the 100% prevention groove too.

I admire your idealism with the fermented veggie thing, but cooked

veggies are not second-class foods at all; I don't see that as a

compromise. I eat a lot of fermented veggies, but when greens are in

season I mostly eat them unfermented, either cooked or raw depending

on the specific item. Freshly harvested and cooked veggies probably

have some advantages over fermented veggies, because there is some

vitamin loss during fermentation. Best to eat from all three

categories of veggies: raw, cooked, and fermented. Seasonality and

specific chemical details of each item are the main factors in

choosing how to split things up. Just keep in mind that the quality

of the soil your veggies come from is a thousand times more important

than whether you process them with heat or fermentation (assuming of

course " heat " doesn't include deep-frying or something!). And the

breed (wild, degree of hybridization, etc) is also generally more

important than those processing distinctions. And of course boiling

some veggies you picked fresh that day [garden, local farm, wild]

will be better than fermenting veggies from a supermarket that had

been picked a week ago. And so on...

Yeah, variety is good! Best not to overdo a narrow Aajonus diet or

something. Cooked meats are okay too, although my meat intake is

mostly eat raw beef muscle meats and organs. There's much to be

said for variety and I'm not aware of any problems associated with

intelligently cooked (e.g. simmered, steamed) meats. No matter how

enthusiastic they are in the beginning, people who follow narrow

idealistic diets almost always have a hard time following them long-

term.

Your diet sounds great! I'm biased however, because it's pretty

similar to my diet, except 98% of my dairy intake is in the form of

kefir and even though I eat two or three kinds of meat almost

everyday, I eat fairly small quantities of meats, going for variety,

eating eggs in season, growing a lot of sprouts, eating (mostly

cooked) insects, etc. And as much as I like sauerkraut and could

eat a quart in one sitting plain, I have to put a plug in for making

kimchi if you're not already, because it is just so profoundly

superior to sauerkraut and has its own larger realm of gustatory

bliss. I still make and eat sauerkraut though, just less than kimchi.

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and have tried out

some brown rice and lentils from sally's book. the raw meat diet was

a very low carb diet and we think it's important to keep our animal

protein raw and eat a lot of enzymes. but i don't know why i've been

having a protruding little belly just right under my belly button

and it seems to be getting bigger. it is some kind of piled up

flesh. i'm not a very big woman and am currently 100 pounds. but to

see a belly growing out of proportion is a very scary thing for me

and i don't know why. except this thing, i feel very energetic

almost everyday to do lots of homework and food preparing and being

pretty happy and satisfied with myself. only this weird belly.

recently along with sally's cooked vegetables, legumes and grains

experiments, i also added a lot of coconut cream into my diet hoping

in might help me gid rid of my weird belly. i'm wondering what is

causing such a scary belly ? it's weird how i'm getting fat this way

while it's supposed to help loose weight for a lot of people. but

still i consider raw animal protien and raw butter as a very

important source of energy and good health. another factor is that

i'm an asian , does it have anything to do with this belly problem??

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The belly thing almost certainly comes from eating large amounts of

delicious foods like butter, cream, raw beef, coconut cream, etc that

pack tons of calories in small servings. It's very easy to overeat

on those foods. (Of course the definition of " overeating " , and body

image issues are subjective and raise lots of separate issues.) It's

just basic calorie intake and physical activity stuff. I would

recommend slightly cutting down on those things and slightly

increasing fibrous foods like veggies and grains/legumes. Try

adding some sprouted grains and legumes to your bone broths with some

spices to make amazingly tasty soups. You can also put the coconut

cream in them, and/or add raw cream at serving time ala NT. And as

you will learn from this list, if you ever have any health problems,

drop the grains right away! That's partially (but not totally) a

joke and grains can be safe, healthy and great...

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

[Guest guest]

>i also added a lot of coconut cream into my diet hoping

>in might help me gid rid of my weird belly. i'm wondering what is

>causing such a scary belly ? it's weird how i'm getting fat this way

>while it's supposed to help loose weight for a lot of people. but

>still i consider raw animal protien and raw butter as a very

>important source of energy and good health. another factor is that

>i'm an asian , does it have anything to do with this belly problem??

Another thing to think about is bloating. When you introduce new

foods to your diet, your digestion may not be ready for them,

or you may not naturally produce the correct enzymes to process

them. Undigested food causes bacterial overgrowth, which causes

a pot belly. Plain ol' fat will do this too ... you can kind of tell the

difference though, if you get bloating the belly can feel kind of

hard and maybe " gurgly " , while a layer of fat tends to also be

on the outside and you can pinch it.

Asians may have more issues with milk products

because that's not in the ancestral diet ... though if that is the

case, they may be ok if they are fermented.

I'm not Asian, but when I started NT I started

eating a lot of cream and it turned out my body really doesn't get

along with cream very well at all! Now I make kefir cream and

that is ok.

Eating raw cabbage and a few other foods can do this

to me too. It takes experimenting, sometimes, to find out " what

works " -- which may be different for different people.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Heidi Schuppenhauer " <heidis@...>

> Asians may have more issues with milk products

> because that's not in the ancestral diet ... though if that is the

> case, they may be ok if they are fermented.

Depends on which Asians we're talking about. It's a big continent.

[Guest guest]

>From: " Heidi Schuppenhauer " <heidis@...>

>> Asians may have more issues with milk products

>> because that's not in the ancestral diet ... though if that is the

>> case, they may be ok if they are fermented.

>

>Depends on which Asians we're talking about. It's a big continent.

Excellent point.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Bonny,

Is it fat or muscle? Maybe there is a hormonal effect causing your uterus to

grow?

Chris

[Guest guest]

>I have been confused about my pot belly too. There

>have been days when it's been totally flat and I love

>that look, but I don't know how I achieve it. Could

>the recent introduction of coconut oil have caused

>this?

Well, my own belly changes by about 5 inches, I think,

" depending " . I like it being flat better too! Here are

the things I believe change it (don't ask me for references,

these are my own thinkings, mainly WAGs).

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1. The size of your liver. Your liver gets bigger if

it is full of glycogen. So when you go without

eating (or eating less) for awhile, it shrinks.

2. The contents of your gut. You have 30 feet or

so of intestine wound around most of your insides.

They can be empty or full. If full, they can be full

of more fiber, undigested stuff that is feeding bacteria

thereby taking up more room, or gas and liquid.

3. Free fat tissue in the body cavity.

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#1 happens when you eat more than you can use

currently, esp. carbs. Carbs get stored as glycogen.

#2 happens when you eat a lot of fiber, or if you eat

stuff you personally don't digest well, or if you eat

many meals throughout the day (if you are eating

all day long, you can figure the " sausage is stuffed " ).

It can also happen if digestion is slowed for some reason.

#3 happens when you eat more calories than you can

use on a regular basis, esp. if you have high cortisol

levels (stress, lack of sleep, allergies, insulin resistance).

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I think the " diet tea " , which causes diarrhea, is taken

by people for this reason, makes a nice flat belly!

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

--- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

wrote: >

> 1. The size of your liver. Your liver gets bigger if

> it is full of glycogen. So when you go without

> eating (or eating less) for awhile, it shrinks.

I'm a low carber, and lately have cut way back on

carbs in attempt to flatten my blly, so I don't think

it's this one.

> 2. The contents of your gut. You have 30 feet or

> so of intestine wound around most of your insides.

> They can be empty or full. If full, they can be full

> of more fiber, undigested stuff that is feeding

> bacteria

> thereby taking up more room, or gas and liquid.

>

Low carb is generally low fibre. I don't feel that I

have undigested stuff. I'm not sure how I'd know, but

I don't get gurgly or uncomfortable. I eat 3 meals a

day, and I don't snack. Not the warrior diet I know,

but I'm probably better than most for not grazing (an

old room mate called me a constant grazer about 12

years ago - I had visions of me as a cow in a field.

I immediately stopped eating between meals - I was

just horrified with myself!) Is there any reason why

digestion would be slowed? I eat a fairly high fat

diet, so digestion would be pretty slow anyway.

> 3. Free fat tissue in the body cavity.

>

#3 happens when you eat more calories than you can

> use on a regular basis, esp. if you have high

> cortisol

> levels (stress, lack of sleep, allergies, insulin

> resistance).

Yep, could be that one! I am receiving treatment from

a herbalist to treat my adrenalin gland problems.

Thanks for your help

Jo

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