Re: dairy/meat Jewish dietary laws

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Dairy inhibits absorption of iron right? Then it occurred to me that maybe

this is why Jewish laws forbid consumption of dairy with meat. Then I

remembered I had marinated my steak in kefir (which made it very tender

btw). I guess that wouldn't have any effect on iron right? or would it? -

Filippa

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Hi Filippa. IIRC, I believe the Jewish dietary laws concern a mother animal

and her offspring, or the food for her offspring. So no meat with dairy, no

chicken with eggs, etc. - Deanna

[Guest guest]

If dairy inhibits the absorption of iron does it also inhibit the

absorption of zinc? Where did you read about this?

I'm very curious!

Sheila

> Dairy inhibits absorption of iron right? Then it occurred to me

that maybe

> this is why Jewish laws forbid consumption of dairy with meat.

Then I

> remembered I had marinated my steak in kefir (which made it very

tender

> btw). I guess that wouldn't have any effect on iron right? or

would it? -

> Filippa

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>

> Hi Filippa. IIRC, I believe the Jewish dietary laws concern a

mother animal

> and her offspring, or the food for her offspring. So no meat with

dairy, no

> chicken with eggs, etc. - Deanna

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Filippa. IIRC, I believe the Jewish dietary laws concern a mother animal

and her offspring, or the food for her offspring. So no meat with dairy, no

chicken with eggs, etc. - Deanna

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Yes but I believe there is usually a logical reason behind these kinds of laws.

Therefore, the taboo on pigs because it was traditionally an " unclean " meat. So

I was thinking maybe the true reason behind the law against meat with dairy is

because dairy inhibits iron absorption. But this then makes me ponder if eggs

aren't good with chicken for some nutritional reason.

Sorry I didn't make myself clear the first time.

Filippa

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The law comes from a commandment to not boil a kid in it's mother's milk.

So no dairy is eaten with meat so this commandment won't be broken. It

isn't given in a context of health in the Bible as far as I can remember. I

don't think eggs fall into that category...they are parve as far as I

recall. Can check with Orthodox friends if important.

K

RE: dairy/meat Jewish dietary laws

Dairy inhibits absorption of iron right? Then it occurred to me that maybe

this is why Jewish laws forbid consumption of dairy with meat. Then I

remembered I had marinated my steak in kefir (which made it very tender

btw). I guess that wouldn't have any effect on iron right? or would it? -

Filippa

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Hi Filippa. IIRC, I believe the Jewish dietary laws concern a mother animal

and her offspring, or the food for her offspring. So no meat with dairy, no

chicken with eggs, etc. - Deanna

[Guest guest]

From: Kayte Sisler

The law comes from a commandment to not boil a kid in it's mother's milk.

So no dairy is eaten with meat so this commandment won't be broken. It

isn't given in a context of health in the Bible as far as I can remember.

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I'm sure it isn't given in the context of health. But there must have been a

reason for it being made a commandment in the first place and I was just

pondering if it was a health reason.

Filippa

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--- Filippa <filippa91@...> wrote: >

> I'm sure it isn't given in the context of health.

> But there must have been a reason for it being made

> a commandment in the first place and I was just

> pondering if it was a health reason.

>

I have done very little bible study in my life,

however, this topic has stayed in my mind for a decade

or 2 for some reason. The Jews made this rule in

order to remain separate and apart from the

Canaanites, who cooked dairy and meat together. The

Jews didn't want to be at all similar to the

Canaanites, and this was one way to ensure their

communities remained separate. I don't recall there

being health reasons associated with the rule in the

bible.

Jo

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[Guest guest]

Well, that is something you have to ask God. For those that worship in this

way the most important part is obedience to God and sometimes understanding

will come by doing. But do keep in mind the commandment specifically

addresses a mother goat's milk and her kid. Some have suggested it has more

to do with pagan rituals that involved literally boiling a kid in it's

mother's milk. The people around them had rituals involving gods that the

Jews were not to participate in.

K

Re: dairy/meat Jewish dietary laws

From: Kayte Sisler

The law comes from a commandment to not boil a kid in it's mother's milk.

So no dairy is eaten with meat so this commandment won't be broken. It

isn't given in a context of health in the Bible as far as I can remember.

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I'm sure it isn't given in the context of health. But there must have been

a reason for it being made a commandment in the first place and I was just

pondering if it was a health reason.

Filippa

[Guest guest]

>The law comes from a commandment to not boil a kid in it's mother's milk.

>So no dairy is eaten with meat so this commandment won't be broken. It

>isn't given in a context of health in the Bible as far as I can remember. I

>don't think eggs fall into that category...they are parve as far as I

>recall. Can check with Orthodox friends if important.

>

>K

I've talked to some Orthodox folks about this ... first, they are adamant that

it is NOT a health issue, but a spiritual one (as they regard it) and they

really

don't like that folks interpret it in terms of health. Second, they have

this concept of a " fence " around that law ... that is, since the law says

a " kid in it's mother's milk " they expand that to mean " no meat with any

dairy products " (just in case). Some Jewish traditions expand this more

than others. In the days of " unleavened bread " (no yeast with bread)

this is expanded to " no grain " , which works out great for gluten intolerant

folks who like to buy Passover products at this time of year.

Of course, the OT gets interpreted by EVERYONE and a lot of folks do

believe the laws have to do with health ... there is a whole section on

something transated as " mildew " -- if you find mildew on something

you have to burn it, I think. And a section on skin growths, what

to do about them (avoidance of leprosy, maybe?).

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

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> Of course, the OT gets interpreted by EVERYONE and a lot of folks do

> believe the laws have to do with health ... there is a whole

section on

> something transated as " mildew " -- if you find mildew on something

> you have to burn it, I think. And a section on skin growths, what

> to do about them (avoidance of leprosy, maybe?).

>

> -- Heidi Jean

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My question though is, gee, ancient wisdom, sounds great, but how

many of us live in a desert in the Middle East or share genes with

people that did a few thousand years ago??? Not me; I was born in

Pennsylvania, USA and share genes with Western European people. I

mean, I'd love to see some exegesis of old Native American or ancient

Irish texts for little health tips, but this whole desert obsession

kinda freaks me out... It's so random... Why not the Rig Veda or

something?

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

[Guest guest]

>My question though is, gee, ancient wisdom, sounds great, but how

>many of us live in a desert in the Middle East or share genes with

>people that did a few thousand years ago???

I answered that question for myself by reading Snow Crash by

Neal son. There is a great passage in it about ancient religions ...

how they were similar to the handbook a franchise operates under ...

a " how to " to live life. Each " religion " included how to marry, cook,

eat, etc. ... and the ones that survived or conquered were considered

more powerful (as the franchises who survive are the most successful).

NONE of the " ways " that were set out 2,000 or 4,000 years ago really

work today. In a way, " NT " is the " way " of this cycle ... how to make some

probiotics etc. to survive in the 1990-2010 era.

The concept works though ... humans like having a " manual " for how to

do something, so they don't have to think every single detail thru from

scratch every time. I've been trying (for the last 3 years) to come up

with a new template for my family, since the old one didn't work. We're

getting closer ...

-- Heidi Jean