Re: muscle-gain/fat-loss supplement

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In a message dated 3/17/04 12:02:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

bettysmith997@... writes:

> I've got a really dumb question. Is gaining muscle always an

> indication of increased strength? For example (I'm making this

> situation up), if I can bench press 50 lbs and I gain 2 lbs of

> muscle, will I likely be able to bench more than 50 lbs without

> having to workout at more than 50 lbs (assuming the muscle went to

> the arms/chest)? And, if I'm not gaining muscle, will I not be able

> to get past a 50 lb max?

No, gaining strength and gaining muscle mass have some relation, but are

mostly independent.

I guess what I'm trying to ask, is in order > to gain muscle/lose fat, does

> a person need to concentrate on gaining muscle/losing fat through

> diet/supplements (as opposed to just lifting weights) in order to get stronger

and

> lose fat?

It depends on your goals and where you're at. I bought the supplement just

to try it out, and mostly for its fat-burning effect, not muscle-gaining (I

didn't realize it would have such a pronounced effect on muscle mass, since it's

advertised as a fat-burner.)

> P.S. are the $28 supplements why your conserving money by buying

> canned salmon? Here I thought it was because you were unemployed or

> doing volunteer work or something.

Lol! Good point. Actually, I bought them a month ago when I'd had some

money and overestimated my money versus budgetary requirements. I shouldn't

have

bought it then, and I won't be buying a new bottle every three weeks!

Chris

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In a message dated 3/17/04 1:27:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sandylbuck719@... writes:

> I have a question...I workout daily...I'm 5'5 " , weigh about 120

> pounds...I'm trying to build muscle and cut fat...can I take a supplement like

this?

> Oh, I'm also a woman!!!

I wouldn't recommend it, because it's specifically for men. Apparently

tribulus is very effective at increasing testosterone production, even though

it's

not a hormone or prohormone. I saw one DHEA supplement (an adrenal-produced

androgen supplement), the men's version of which contained tribulus, so I think

maybe tribulus would allow one to take steroids without the risk of

increasing estrogen production. (I was surprised to find steroid supplements at

the

health food store, but doesn't Ray Peat recommend DHEA?)

System Six, the gender-unspecific supplement, can be taken by women, but it

doesn't have tribulus, so it might be less effective at muscle-building, even

though it should be good for fat loss (It does, however, promote lean muscle

mass anyway, I just doubt it is as effective.)

If you feel you've reached a plateau for fat loss, I don't see why you

shouldn't take such a supplement-- this was the most effective thing I've ever

tried, so it's worth the money. If you are still losing fat slowly, you might

want

to just take the slow road.

Also, you might want to exhaust other methods before supplementing.

Kettlebell workouts are supposed to be great for fat loss. I've begun my first

real

full-length kettlebell cycle this past week, so we'll see how it affects my

metabolism! Plus, kettlebells just rock! (www.dragondoor.com)

Chris

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> Hi folks,

>

> I bought this stuff at a health food store from Irwin Naturals

called System

> Six Ripped Man. There is also one that isn't specifically for men,

called

> System Six, which is the same thing but without the tribulus, which

I guess is an

> herb that increases testosterone production.

>

> On the down side, it's $28 for a 20-day supply. On the upside,

after I'd

> taken it for a week and a half, according to the digital Tanita

scale at the gym,

> I'd lost 1.5 pounds of fat, and gained 3 pounds of muscle!

>

> Chris

I've got a really dumb question. Is gaining muscle always an

indication of increased strength? For example (I'm making this

situation up), if I can bench press 50 lbs and I gain 2 lbs of

muscle, will I likely be able to bench more than 50 lbs without

having to workout at more than 50 lbs (assuming the muscle went to

the arms/chest)? And, if I'm not gaining muscle, will I not be able

to get past a 50 lb max? I guess what I'm trying to ask, is in order

to gain muscle/lose fat, does a person need to concentrate on gaining

muscle/losing fat through diet/supplements (as opposed to just

lifting weights) in order to get stronger and lose fat?

Betsy

P.S. are the $28 supplements why your conserving money by buying

canned salmon? Here I thought it was because you were unemployed or

doing volunteer work or something.

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Hi,

I have a question...I workout daily...I'm 5'5 " , weigh about 120 pounds...I'm

trying to build muscle and cut fat...can I take a supplement like this? Oh, I'm

also a woman!!!

Sandy

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:

Hi folks,

I bought this stuff at a health food store from Irwin Naturals called System

Six Ripped Man. There is also one that isn't specifically for men, called

System Six, which is the same thing but without the tribulus, which I guess is

an

herb that increases testosterone production.

On the down side, it's $28 for a 20-day supply. On the upside, after I'd

taken it for a week and a half, according to the digital Tanita scale at the

gym,

I'd lost 1.5 pounds of fat, and gained 3 pounds of muscle!

Chris

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System Six .....

If you feel you've reached a plateau for fat loss, I don't see why you

shouldn't take such a supplement-- this was the most effective thing I've

ever

tried, so it's worth the money. - Chris

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I hope you're getting some sort of commission for your efforts promoting

this supplement!

Deanna ;-)

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> In a message dated 3/17/04 1:27:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> sandylbuck719@y... writes:

> If you feel you've reached a plateau for fat loss, I don't see why

you

> shouldn't take such a supplement-- this was the most effective

thing I've ever

> tried, so it's worth the money. If you are still losing fat

slowly, you might want

> to just take the slow road.

>

> Chris

Zero Gravity from Garden of Life is another supplement that promotes

fat loss. I've never tried it, but have been curious.

http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/detail_zero_gravity.shtml

Katy

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Katy-

>Zero Gravity from Garden of Life is another supplement that promotes

>fat loss. I've never tried it, but have been curious.

>http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/detail_zero_gravity.shtml

They say it " reduces absorption of dietary fat " , so I'd avoid it like the

plague.

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