Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 just saw this... Then it IS the same thing?? It has two separate entries on wiki, with different discriptions though... nx This seems to be also called memantadine and viregyt and to be being given as a glutamate antagonist. Lots of positive results on sociability and behaviour. I've posted some of them. Sally Eva family wrote: > tine is also called viregyt -- for some reason that triggered the > PubMed search engine in a way that amantadine didn't > Sally > > Neno/Natasa wrote: > >> Just reading up on antivirals/agents that supress borna, the most >> effective: >> >> >> _tine_ – found effective in treating neurological symptoms of >> people with active BDV. Incidentally also often effective treatment >> for Parkinson’s... >> >> It has also been trialed in autism – for 4 weeks. the feedback from >> parents was not great (but then again the study design was asking >> parents only about irritability and hyperactivity, which actually >> often increase during first months on antivirals). Clinicans’ >> observations of children were comprehensive with more positive >> results, with suggestions for further trials... >> >> >> Cannabinoids (supress microglial activation and inhibit bdv) >> >> >> Ribavarin (antiviral, also deactivates microglia, also found to stop >> autoimmune reactions) >> >> >> >> /....The overall response rate of the amantadine augmentation in the >> BDV-infected patients with regard to depressive symptoms was 68% after >> a mean of 2.9 weeks of treatment. Bipolar I patients improved faster >> and did not show any following hypomania. In addition, the decrease of >> depression tended to correspond with the decrease in viral activity. >> CONCLUSION: Amantadine appears to show a remarkable antidepressive >> efficacy in BDV-infected depressive patients. The antidepressive >> effect in this open trial appeared to be comparable to standard >> antidepressives, possibly being a result of its antiviral effect >> against BDV as a potentially relevant etiopathogenetic factor in these >> disorders. 11254023 >> / >> >> Nx >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 28/10/2008 10:04 >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > DISCLAIMER > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Very odd because Viregyt is definitely all about flu and viruses (as it's name implies). Sally Neno/Natasa wrote: > > just saw this... Then it IS the same thing?? It has two separate > entries on wiki, with different discriptions though... > > nx > > > > > This seems to be also called memantadine and viregyt and to be being > given as a glutamate antagonist. Lots of positive results on > sociability > and behaviour. I've posted some of them. > Sally > > Eva family wrote: > > tine is also called viregyt -- for some reason that > triggered the > > PubMed search engine in a way that amantadine didn't > > Sally > > > > Neno/Natasa wrote: > > > >> Just reading up on antivirals/agents that supress borna, the most > >> effective: > >> > >> > >> _tine_ – found effective in treating neurological symptoms of > >> people with active BDV. Incidentally also often effective treatment > >> for Parkinson’s... > >> > >> It has also been trialed in autism – for 4 weeks. the feedback from > >> parents was not great (but then again the study design was asking > >> parents only about irritability and hyperactivity, which actually > >> often increase during first months on antivirals). Clinicans’ > >> observations of children were comprehensive with more positive > >> results, with suggestions for further trials... > >> > >> > >> Cannabinoids (supress microglial activation and inhibit bdv) > >> > >> > >> Ribavarin (antiviral, also deactivates microglia, also found to > stop > >> autoimmune reactions) > >> > >> > >> > >> /....The overall response rate of the amantadine augmentation in > the > >> BDV-infected patients with regard to depressive symptoms was 68% > after > >> a mean of 2.9 weeks of treatment. Bipolar I patients improved > faster > >> and did not show any following hypomania. In addition, the > decrease of > >> depression tended to correspond with the decrease in viral > activity. > >> CONCLUSION: Amantadine appears to show a remarkable antidepressive > >> efficacy in BDV-infected depressive patients. The antidepressive > >> effect in this open trial appeared to be comparable to standard > >> antidepressives, possibly being a result of its antiviral effect > >> against BDV as a potentially relevant etiopathogenetic factor in > these > >> disorders. 11254023 > >> / > >> > >> Nx > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: > 28/10/2008 10:04 > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > DISCLAIMER > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a > suitably qualified practitioner. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 This is so interesting I can't tell you. Decalcification of the pineal and antivirals for Lyme/co- infections/borna is where we are interested. Biofilms too. Best wishes, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 i went off at a bit of a tangent and found this one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9018019 so am now wondering if L-carnitine has antiviral properties as well as helping increase energy in cells, which is why it helps with fatigue, I think??? Also interesting to see that it was more effective than amantadine, negating the need posssibly to use this strong drug with all the side- effects that come with it. Nikki x In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , " Sandy and Tim " wrote: > > This is so interesting I can't tell you. > > Decalcification of the pineal and antivirals for Lyme/co- > infections/borna is where we are interested. Biofilms too. > Best wishes, > Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Hi Nikki, You had me rummaging out our " Carnitine Miracle " book http://www.amazon.com/Carnitine-Miracle--Crayhon/dp/0871318253 I keep meaning to put some in our supplements:-) I was just reading carnitine is a precursor to L-Lysine which I've used for herpes. No wonder our children are so poorly when their aminos are low (Eddie's were just awful when we first tested about a year into biomed). Best wishes, Sandy > > > > This is so interesting I can't tell you. > > > > Decalcification of the pineal and antivirals for Lyme/co- > > infections/borna is where we are interested. Biofilms too. > > Best wishes, > > Sandy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Sandy, Thank you for investigating for me and letting me know that my little hunch was right!!! Carnitine seems to be very useful indeed, i think i might put that book on my xmas list! Nikki x In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , " Sandy and Tim " wrote: > > Hi Nikki, > > You had me rummaging out our " Carnitine Miracle " book > http://www.amazon.com/Carnitine-Miracle--Crayhon/dp/0871318253 > > I keep meaning to put some in our supplements:-) > > I was just reading carnitine is a precursor to L-Lysine which I've > used for herpes. No wonder our children are so poorly when their > aminos are low (Eddie's were just awful when we first tested about a > year into biomed). > > Best wishes, > Sandy > > > > > > > > This is so interesting I can't tell you. > > > > > > Decalcification of the pineal and antivirals for Lyme/co- > > > infections/borna is where we are interested. Biofilms too. > > > Best wishes, > > > Sandy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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