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---its v worrying but sadly common that the sp school won't give you a detailed

answer.You will have to push and( ask in writing?) as to how are they going to

teach your

daughter.

If they were implementing pecs correctly(and many don't),they should give you

details.Many children do start to say some words when they start pecs.

The school might say they have an TEACCH or eclectic approach in which case it

could be

a mish mash which won't help your child at all. There's only a handful in the

country that

use verbal behaviour type ABA (2 in essex).Unfortunately majority of our sp

schools

believe that speech just comes spontaneously as with typical or hfa kids.

Nina

In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , " bornlivelife2 "

wrote:

>

> Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a

> special school

>

> We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a mainstream school

> where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine EXCEPT no speech

> except babbling

>

> We have started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split

> placement (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers).

>

> What additional things should a Special school do to primarily help

> her speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream

>

> My dream was:

>

> PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home

> ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to replicate

> it at home

>

> I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP (compared to

> mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get an answer

>

> Thanks for any help on this

>

> xx

>

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---its v worrying but sadly common that the sp school won't give you a detailed

answer.You will have to push and( ask in writing?) as to how are they going to

teach your

daughter.

If they were implementing pecs correctly(and many don't),they should give you

details.Many children do start to say some words when they start pecs.

The school might say they have an TEACCH or eclectic approach in which case it

could be

a mish mash which won't help your child at all. There's only a handful in the

country that

use verbal behaviour type ABA (2 in essex).Unfortunately majority of our sp

schools

believe that speech just comes spontaneously as with typical or hfa kids.

Nina

In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , " bornlivelife2 "

wrote:

>

> Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a

> special school

>

> We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a mainstream school

> where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine EXCEPT no speech

> except babbling

>

> We have started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split

> placement (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers).

>

> What additional things should a Special school do to primarily help

> her speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream

>

> My dream was:

>

> PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home

> ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to replicate

> it at home

>

> I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP (compared to

> mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get an answer

>

> Thanks for any help on this

>

> xx

>

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--- Establishing Operations Inc do some v good training dvds including one on

manding

or requesting .

How does your daughter communicate at school and home?

In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , " malcolm4237 " wrote:

>

> ---its v worrying but sadly common that the sp school won't give you a

detailed

> answer.You will have to push and( ask in writing?) as to how are they going to

teach

your

> daughter.

> If they were implementing pecs correctly(and many don't),they should give you

> details.Many children do start to say some words when they start pecs.

>

> The school might say they have an TEACCH or eclectic approach in which case it

could

be

> a mish mash which won't help your child at all. There's only a handful in the

country

that

> use verbal behaviour type ABA (2 in essex).Unfortunately majority of our sp

schools

> believe that speech just comes spontaneously as with typical or hfa kids.

> Nina

>

> In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , " bornlivelife2 " <peter_2_@>

wrote:

> >

> > Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a

> > special school

> >

> > We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a mainstream school

> > where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine EXCEPT no speech

> > except babbling

> >

> > We have started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split

> > placement (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers).

> >

> > What additional things should a Special school do to primarily help

> > her speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream

> >

> > My dream was:

> >

> > PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home

> > ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to replicate

> > it at home

> >

> > I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP (compared to

> > mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get an answer

> >

> > Thanks for any help on this

> >

> > xx

> >

>

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No special school will be able to use ABA with your child unless it

is one of the tiny number of independent fee-paying ABA schools. If

the school says they use elements of ABA don't believe them.

Margaret

>

> Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a

> special school

>

> We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a mainstream school

> where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine EXCEPT no speech

> except babbling

>

> We have started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split

> placement (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers).

>

> What additional things should a Special school do to primarily help

> her speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream

>

> My dream was:

>

> PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home

> ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to replicate

> it at home

>

> I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP (compared to

> mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get an answer

>

> Thanks for any help on this

>

> xx

>

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No special school will be able to use ABA with your child unless it

is one of the tiny number of independent fee-paying ABA schools. If

the school says they use elements of ABA don't believe them.

Margaret

>

> Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a

> special school

>

> We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a mainstream school

> where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine EXCEPT no speech

> except babbling

>

> We have started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split

> placement (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers).

>

> What additional things should a Special school do to primarily help

> her speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream

>

> My dream was:

>

> PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home

> ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to replicate

> it at home

>

> I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP (compared to

> mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get an answer

>

> Thanks for any help on this

>

> xx

>

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My son has been to 2 Local Authority Special Schools. From my

admittedly limited experience my view is that there is nothing

special about a special school. Don't expect the staff to have any

training in how to teach your child, don't expect much in the way of

assessment, don't expect anything in fact. Ask hard questions about

what they would do for your child. Don't let them pull the wool over

your eyes.

Margaret

> >

> > Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a

> > special school

> >

> > We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a mainstream school

> > where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine EXCEPT no speech

> > except babbling

> >

> > We have started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split

> > placement (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers).

> >

> > What additional things should a Special school do to primarily

help

> > her speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream

> >

> > My dream was:

> >

> > PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home

> > ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to

replicate

> > it at home

> >

> > I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP (compared

to

> > mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get an answer

> >

> > Thanks for any help on this

> >

> > xx

> >

>

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My son has been to 2 Local Authority Special Schools. From my

admittedly limited experience my view is that there is nothing

special about a special school. Don't expect the staff to have any

training in how to teach your child, don't expect much in the way of

assessment, don't expect anything in fact. Ask hard questions about

what they would do for your child. Don't let them pull the wool over

your eyes.

Margaret

> >

> > Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a

> > special school

> >

> > We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a mainstream school

> > where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine EXCEPT no speech

> > except babbling

> >

> > We have started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split

> > placement (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers).

> >

> > What additional things should a Special school do to primarily

help

> > her speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream

> >

> > My dream was:

> >

> > PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home

> > ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to

replicate

> > it at home

> >

> > I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP (compared

to

> > mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get an answer

> >

> > Thanks for any help on this

> >

> > xx

> >

>

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PS I am sorry to sound so negative but we are all in the same boat

here and it is a hard long slog and often (usually) there are no easy

answers - we just do the best we can at the time with what's

available locally and depending on our physical, emotional and

financial resources. What happens in terms of speech therapy,

occupational therapy etc etc in one Local Authority will not be

happening in another. The butter is scraped very very thinly on the

bread in Cambridgeshire.

I didn't manage to get ABA for Henry until he was 7 1/2 - and all the

research says the best results come when you start it aged 2.

(I do wonder though whether any families have split up so that the

mother can get legal aid for Tribunal....)

Margaret

> > >

> > > Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a

> > > special school

> > >

> > > We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a mainstream

school

> > > where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine EXCEPT no speech

> > > except babbling

> > >

> > > We have started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split

> > > placement (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers).

> > >

> > > What additional things should a Special school do to primarily

> help

> > > her speech? Because if they arent doing any more than

mainstream

> > >

> > > My dream was:

> > >

> > > PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home

> > > ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to

> replicate

> > > it at home

> > >

> > > I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP (compared

> to

> > > mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get an answer

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help on this

> > >

> > > xx

> > >

> >

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PS I am sorry to sound so negative but we are all in the same boat

here and it is a hard long slog and often (usually) there are no easy

answers - we just do the best we can at the time with what's

available locally and depending on our physical, emotional and

financial resources. What happens in terms of speech therapy,

occupational therapy etc etc in one Local Authority will not be

happening in another. The butter is scraped very very thinly on the

bread in Cambridgeshire.

I didn't manage to get ABA for Henry until he was 7 1/2 - and all the

research says the best results come when you start it aged 2.

(I do wonder though whether any families have split up so that the

mother can get legal aid for Tribunal....)

Margaret

> > >

> > > Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a

> > > special school

> > >

> > > We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a mainstream

school

> > > where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine EXCEPT no speech

> > > except babbling

> > >

> > > We have started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split

> > > placement (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers).

> > >

> > > What additional things should a Special school do to primarily

> help

> > > her speech? Because if they arent doing any more than

mainstream

> > >

> > > My dream was:

> > >

> > > PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home

> > > ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to

> replicate

> > > it at home

> > >

> > > I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP (compared

> to

> > > mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get an answer

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help on this

> > >

> > > xx

> > >

> >

>

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Yes we are happy with Tom's school and work closely with them.

Sometimes we've had hiccups but we follow the same IEP/ABLLS targets

and as for " why " - because he's in a class of four, with two teachers

and two TA's. In our very local and good mainstream primary he was in

a class of 30 and had to share 50% of one TA with a child with DS. By

now he would probably have been excluded. We would love him to be in

mainstream school - Tom is profoundly disabled and that's not what he

needs. We'd love it to be otherwise, maybe one day. Steph x

> >> > Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for

from a > > special school > > > > We have a SEN statement and 1:1

assistant in a mainstream school > > where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter

is doing fine EXCEPT no speech > > except babbling> > > > We have

started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split > > placement

(where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers). > > > > What

additional things should a Special school do to primarily help > > her

speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream> > > > My

dream was:> > > > PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate

at home> > ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to

replicate > > it at home> > > > I keep asking the Special school what

ADDITIONAL HELP (compared to > > mainstream) they are providing, and

am unable to get an answer> > > > Thanks for any help on this> > > >

xx> >>

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Yes we are happy with Tom's school and work closely with them.

Sometimes we've had hiccups but we follow the same IEP/ABLLS targets

and as for " why " - because he's in a class of four, with two teachers

and two TA's. In our very local and good mainstream primary he was in

a class of 30 and had to share 50% of one TA with a child with DS. By

now he would probably have been excluded. We would love him to be in

mainstream school - Tom is profoundly disabled and that's not what he

needs. We'd love it to be otherwise, maybe one day. Steph x

> >> > Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for

from a > > special school > > > > We have a SEN statement and 1:1

assistant in a mainstream school > > where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter

is doing fine EXCEPT no speech > > except babbling> > > > We have

started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split > > placement

(where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers). > > > > What

additional things should a Special school do to primarily help > > her

speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream> > > > My

dream was:> > > > PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate

at home> > ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to

replicate > > it at home> > > > I keep asking the Special school what

ADDITIONAL HELP (compared to > > mainstream) they are providing, and

am unable to get an answer> > > > Thanks for any help on this> > > >

xx> >>

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In my view it comes down to whats in your child's statement and how

their needs are described - you only get provision to match need so

you need to be clear about how the needs are described in the

statement.

What does it say in the statement in part 2 on your daughter's needs

around speech/language/communication?

If it says she has xyz difficulties in part 2 then there should be

provision named to meet xyz needs in part 3.

Its not about 'what the school should do' - rather its about meeting

the need named in the statement....the school has a duty to meet the

need.

I suggest you look at what it says in the statement about developing

your daughter's speech, language and communication. You should have

targets in her IEP which you can use to monitor the school's

progress in meeting her speech/lang/comm needs - if she is not

moving on through the IEP (eg she is still on the same speech, lang

etc target after, say, 6 months) then whatever it is that the school

is doing to meet the need is not working and needs addressing

through the IEP process.

If the school fails to respond through the IEP process I would say

you would need to bring it up an an annual review of statement at

which you would ask for changes to be made to the statement to

reflect the lack of progress with xyz provision.....that way you are

preparing the way to trigger an appeal to tribunal.

My personal view re schools is that 'autism specific' 'special' and

mainstream do not necessarily have worse or better provision - it

depends on what your child needs and how a school responds to the

child's needs (NOT to their label of autism).

My preferred choice re school is:

Small

Child centred

With staff who are willing to think outside the box and work in real

partnership with parents

A mix of ASD and NT kids

........it only took us 3 1/2 years to find one..........

In the first instance however, look at what is said in the statement

in part 2 re speech etc needs and at part 3 re provision to meet

need.

Zoe

>

> Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a

> special school

>

> We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a mainstream school

> where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine EXCEPT no speech

> except babbling

>

> We have started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split

> placement (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers).

>

> What additional things should a Special school do to primarily

help

> her speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream

>

> My dream was:

>

> PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home

> ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to replicate

> it at home

>

> I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP (compared to

> mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get an answer

>

> Thanks for any help on this

>

> xx

>

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I am just writing on behalf of my grandson's special school. I

suppose we have been very lucky although his parents researched every

school in the area.

On Thursday we attended his school Carol Service in a local church.

All the children took part - and behaved impeccably. This is not

unusual for this school. The staff are unbelievable in their

dedication. The children all look happy!

Charlie did not start at this school until he was 8 years old - after

some years of Son-Rise. This year he has had a lot of health

problems,(PANDAS, Candida etc.) but has still made progress,

including swimming and horse riding as well. ( After the Service a

little boy was running away from his mother - Charlie called out 'be

careful you might get run over by a car') Unbelievable before he

started school.

I wish all the Special schools were the same.

Jill

> >> > Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for

> from a > > special school > > > > We have a SEN statement and 1:1

> assistant in a mainstream school > > where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter

> is doing fine EXCEPT no speech > > except babbling> > > > We have

> started a 2 day mainsteam/ 3 day special school split > > placement

> (where she is in a class of 8, with 8 teachers). > > > > What

> additional things should a Special school do to primarily help > >

her

> speech? Because if they arent doing any more than mainstream> > > >

My

> dream was:> > > > PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate

> at home> > ABA - becasue people say it is great - again we need to

> replicate > > it at home> > > > I keep asking the Special school

what

> ADDITIONAL HELP (compared to > > mainstream) they are providing, and

> am unable to get an answer> > > > Thanks for any help on this> > > >

> xx> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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If the school is not providing any extras compared to mainstream you

are right to question placement. In our case the additional support

included:

access to Occupational Therapist and sensory programme (home and

school)

access to SLT and consistant application in classroom with some

support in the home

access to other therapies such as sherborne and music therapy

access to better PE equipment and teacher

not being called all the time cause they couldn't cope

not having to educate the educators

I have to caveat all this as access is not as frequent as I would

like but better than mainstream even after tribunal, but alot depends

on the local school set up and willingness of school and LEA to

provide genuine choices....

After 3 years at special we are gradually builidng up mainstream

hours but it is complicated. He needs special for a lot but peer

group at mainstream is preferable for learnt behaviours aspect. Also

in our special a lot of kids whose placement in mainstream has broken

down come to special aged 7/8/9 with very challenging behaviours and

having had no sensory management his special peer group are becoming

less and less beneficial. It sounds harsh but as he becomes more

socially aware the impact of changing profile of kids in special is

becoming more apparent and he is calmer with mainstream (this is the

opposite to the situation in nursery).

HTH

> >> >

Could people tell me what we should expect and hope for from a > >

special school > > > > We have a SEN statement and 1:1 assistant in a

mainstream school > > where our 4 yrs 2 mths daughter is doing fine

EXCEPT no speech > > except babbling> > > > We have started a 2 day

mainsteam/ 3 day special school split > > placement (where she is in

a class of 8, with 8 teachers). > > > > What additional things should

a Special school do to primarily help > > her speech? Because if they

arent doing any more than mainstream> > > > My dream was:> > > >

PECS - advise us exact details so we can replicate at home> > ABA -

becasue people say it is great - again we need to replicate > > it at

home> > > > I keep asking the Special school what ADDITIONAL HELP

(compared to > > mainstream) they are providing, and am unable to get

an answer> > > > Thanks for any help on this> > > > xx> >>

>

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