progesterone/estrogen and miscarriage article

[Guest guest]

Previous blood tests I had (pre-pregnancy) besides showing low progesterone also

showed high estrogen. This article says that estrogen can cause miscarriage by

suffocating the baby. Any feedback on this article?

http://www.tiger-one.com/1miscarriage.html (article below) Now I'm wondering how

to reduce estrogen - I've already eliminated soy and avoid plastics as much as I

can. I do have some Indolplex (bioavailable diindolylmethane) tablets in the

cupboard that a naturopath prescribed but I was nervous of taking it (what is it

exactly?) and didn't take it more than a few days. Anyone know about this?

Information About Miscarriage & Progesterone

Dr. Katharina Dalton is one of the many scientists and doctors who have

discovered that progesterone in the natural form protects the fetus from

miscarriage.

If a woman has had four or five miscarriages in the first six or eight weeks of

a pregnancy, this is always due to luteal phase failure, says Dr. Lee.

Progesterone is needed to facilitate implantation and to prevent rejection of

the developing embryo, but the follicle may not respond to the ovum with enough.

Dr. Lee's recommendation: " Wait till you ovulate, and then four to six days

after possible conception do a blood test ( for HCG) to see if you're pregnant.

If you are, start the progesterone; that way you will increase you chance of

having a healthy baby. " Blood tests for pregnancy tend to be positive within

seventy-two hours of conception, whereas he says urine pregnancy tests are not

usually positive until two weeks after conception.

One of Dr. Lee's notable findings is that there is an immune-suppressing effect

in the uterus from higher doses of progesterone. This is important, because when

conception takes place, half of the baby's chromosomes are from the male and

half of them from the female. That makes the baby's tissue DNA different from

the mother's because of the contribution of the father. If there's not a good

tissue match, the difference will create tissue rejection. If you try to do a

skin graft or a kidney or heart transplant and the tissue isn't the same, the

body will reject it. But this doesn't happen with pregnancy. Why? Because of the

progesterone response in the uterus. It's a site-selective action that doesn't

occur anywhere else in the body; therefore, the baby is not rejected. By giving

more progesterone after conception, you thus increase the likelihood that the

baby will survive.

Looking at the problem from another perspective, Dr. Lee informs us that

" after conception progesterone prevents miscarriages resulting from excess

estrogen. " It is interesting to note the consistency of the research, as in Dr.

Peat's study, indication that " pregnancy toxemia and tendency to miscarry or

deliver prematurely are often corrected by progesterone. " Dr. Peat goes on to

say, " My dissertation research, which established that an estrogen excess kills

the embryo by suffocation, and that progesterone protects the embryo by

promoting the delivery of both oxygen and glucose, didn't strike a responsive

chord in the journals which are heavily influenced by funds from the drug

industry. "

It is a fact that if a pregnant woman produces too much estrogen, her embryo can

be suffocated (hypoxia). Dr. Lee cautions that during the ninth week of

pregnancy, a woman can lose her baby if she is a " high estrogen producer and/or

[is] consuming commercial meat, poultry and dairy products containing synthetic

estrogen (DES). " However, she goes on to say that natural progesterone " has been

known to protect against the toxic effects of excess estrogen, including

abortion. " Make certain, if hormones are prescribed during pregnancy, that they

are not the synthetic progestins or estrogens but the natural micronized

products. We now know that artificial hormones can be dangerous to the fetus

during pregnancy.

Dr. Lee stresses that synthetic compounds cannot be efficiently " excreted

by one's usual enzymatic mechanisms. Despite their advertisements, synthetic

hormones are not equivalent to natural hormones. " Side effects can include

fatigue, elevation of cholesterol, heart palpitations, headaches, depression,

emotional disorders, weight gain, bloating, and more.

[Guest guest]

>> Now I'm wondering how to reduce estrogen - I've already eliminated soy and

avoid plastics as much as I can. <<

I think we need to stop being so focused on micromanaging our specific hormones

and remember that BALANCE among all the hormones is what matters. Every single

hormone in your body, your sex hormones, sleep hormones, digestive hormones,

stress hormones, are connected to each other. Also, we don't have only one

estrogen, we have THREE estrogens, and you can be high in one and low in

another, so just " reducing estrogen " doesn't necessarily do you any good.

Also, it's entirely possible to have too much estrogen but not be able to use

it, because our receptors have been blocked by estrogen-like substances in the

environment. Trying to " turn off " estrogen production might be the best or worst

thing you can do. There really is no need to shoot in the dark, though, as you

can get your hormone levels checked and have a good picture of what's really

going on. Once you know that, you can address the point at which your system is

the most disrupted, try to bring it back to normalcy, and let the other levels

adjust around it. You can do this with all kinds of substances, nutritional,

herbal, as well as exercise, sleep, reducing artificial light, changing how you

eat, etc - or by using hormone therapy for a short time with bioidentical human

hormones under the care of a knowledgeable physician.

Since you are having trouble keeping your pregnancy, I would really consider

finding a fertility specialist who you can consult with, if that's possible.

Some of them are pretty aggressive about TREATMENT, and may recommend

enhormones instead of the bioidentical human hormones, but at least you can

get the diagnostic information from them - the more info you have, the better

decisions you can make!

And I do recommend Dr. Vliet's books. Maybe start with " It's My

Ovaries, Stupid! " .... not the most scientific title in the world, and her

nutritional advice doesn't go far enough IMO, but lots of good information in

the book.

GOOD LUCK!

Christie

[Guest guest]

>>I think we need to stop being so focused on micromanaging our specific

>>hormones and remember that BALANCE among all the hormones is what matters.

I agree. Point taken.

>>or by using hormone therapy for a short time with bioidentical human

>>hormones under the care of a knowledgeable physician.

OK, this helps me as I wasn't clear about what they were using for hormone

treatment. Knowing more about this helps me know what to ask when I see a

physician.

>>the more info you have, the better decisions you can make!

Yes, I'm in the process of changing Docs now as I felt the last one does

" micro-manage " too much. There is a good fertility specialist (naturopathic)

here on the coast so I will ring and book in.

>>Dr. Vliet's books. Maybe start with " It's My Ovaries, Stupid! " ....

Thanks for the book recommendation. And thanks a BUNCH Christie (and others)

for all your info and advice!! I am going to request a comprehensive hormone

check and take it from there.

Filippa

[Guest guest]

Can you tell me more about enhormones please

I did a search on google and came up with nothing

> >> Now I'm wondering how to reduce estrogen - I've already

eliminated soy and avoid plastics as much as I can. <<

>

> I think we need to stop being so focused on micromanaging our

specific hormones and remember that BALANCE among all the hormones

is what matters. Every single hormone in your body, your sex

hormones, sleep hormones, digestive hormones, stress hormones, are

connected to each other. Also, we don't have only one estrogen, we

have THREE estrogens, and you can be high in one and low in another,

so just " reducing estrogen " doesn't necessarily do you any good.

>

> Also, it's entirely possible to have too much estrogen but not be

able to use it, because our receptors have been blocked by estrogen-

like substances in the environment. Trying to " turn off " estrogen

production might be the best or worst thing you can do. There really

is no need to shoot in the dark, though, as you can get your hormone

levels checked and have a good picture of what's really going on.

Once you know that, you can address the point at which your system

is the most disrupted, try to bring it back to normalcy, and let the

other levels adjust around it. You can do this with all kinds of

substances, nutritional, herbal, as well as exercise, sleep,

reducing artificial light, changing how you eat, etc - or by using

hormone therapy for a short time with bioidentical human hormones

under the care of a knowledgeable physician.

>

> Since you are having trouble keeping your pregnancy, I would

really consider finding a fertility specialist who you can consult

with, if that's possible. Some of them are pretty aggressive about

TREATMENT, and may recommend enhormones instead of the

bioidentical human hormones, but at least you can get the diagnostic

information from them - the more info you have, the better decisions

you can make!

>

> And I do recommend Dr. Vliet's books. Maybe start

with " It's My Ovaries, Stupid! " .... not the most scientific title in

the world, and her nutritional advice doesn't go far enough IMO, but

lots of good information in the book.

>

> GOOD LUCK!

>

> Christie

>

>

[Guest guest]

>> Can you tell me more about enhormones please

I did a search on google and came up with nothing <<

Well, it's my own little play on the concept of " enfoods, " usually used to

refer to highly processed foods as well as genetically modified foods.

It's a reference to enstein's monster, and in this case, I'm referring to

laboratory freaks like Premarin.

I avoid using the term " synthetic " because all the hormone products we use are

" synthetic " in that they are synthesed from other substances. But some hormones

are biologically identical to our own human hormones - these are usually

referred to as " bioidentical human hormones. " Others, like Premarin and dozens

more, are NOT biologically identical to our own hormones. Premarin, the most

prescribed hormone combination in America, gets its name from what it is:

PREgnant MARes' urINe. Nice, huh? It's a combo of horse estrogen and another

laboratory-made estrogen that is NOT identical to our own estrogen. Why? Because

biologically identical hormones can't be patented, so the drug companies make

more money coming up with and marketing " enhormones. " At one time Premarin

was the most widely prescribed drug in America. Talk about the goose that laid

the golden egg! (In this case, the engoose. <G>)

Biologically identical human hormones are legal, FDA approved and regulated, and

easy to obtain. But doctors will constantly prescribe other forms of hormones

for the simple reason that they learn about them from the drug company reps.

It's all they know, and so they push them. Many of them seem to think that

bioidentical human hormones are illegal or unavailable or inferior, but none of

that is true. Except for transdermal progesterone, they are by prescription

only, so you do have to find a doctor who will work with you on this.

I do not completely agree with any one " natural hormone guru " out there

including Dr. Northrup (for instance, she still pushes soy consumption), but her

site is a good basic overview of the issue:

http://www.drnorthrup.com/menopause-2.php

Christie