Re: Starting from scratch - slowwwly this time. Reaction?

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure that covering ears is a bad sign. I wonder if it might be a

sign of noticing a problem and taking action to block it - instead less

constructive responses. Just a thought. I obviously don't know. This

comes and goes for Edith -- altho it looks bad it doesn't seem to

actually BE bad -- if you see what I mean

Sally

brownsauce66 wrote:

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>

> Hi,

>

> After a bout of sickness we've started N from scratch.

> We've been doing the following for 14 days now:

> Digestive enzymes

> Diflucan

> Melatonin

> (And have recently... in last 2 days finished a 2 week course of

> vancomycin)

>

> Now, 5 days ago we added back in mag sulphate (small amount)

>

> And 2 days ago added 800 mcg Folinic acid (Brand Actifolate - L-5-

> methyltetrahydrofolate and 5-formyl-tetrahydrofolate) and Probiotics.

>

> The bad news is N is much more hyper and inattentive. He's taken to

> sometimes covering his ears when listening to tv or music (he doesn't

> seem to be stressed) and has started shaking his head, sometimes

> appropriately, sometimes like he's a dog with canker!

> The good news is he potty trained himself last weekend (before we

> added in folate and mag sulphate) And we've had glowing reports from

> pre school!

>

> We used to have folinic acid before (with tmg) and had given up to 1

> cup of epsom salts before. I know that sometimes childrens needs

> change but could it really be just these 2 (or one of them i suppose)

> It goes to show that I'm not going as low and slow as i thought cos i

> can't identify which is the problem!!!

>

> So, should I wait until we're back on an even keel and then try again

> on put them on the back burner with the view to maybe revist at a

> later date, and move on to my next thing - CLO?

>

> Thanks guys

>

> x

>

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[Guest guest]

This is a difficult one. I would probably try to work on the

hyper/inattentive part before moving on to a completely different

supp. The problem being, of course, that hyper/inattentive/head

shaking/ear covering can mean about a trillion things.

Was there a reason you chose to put folinic back in near the

beginning? Did you see good stuff from it last time? Have you seen

die off from probiotics before? Did it look anything like what

you're seeing now? Were you using anything probiotic during the

diflucan and vancomycin? If not, it maybe be the probiotics are

causing both good stuff and some wierd stuff as they accumulate (kind

of like what Sally is saying).

DS covers his ears for tons of reasons, most of which I can't figure

out. When he stops doing it, I can't figure that out either. But

the hyper/spacy stuff may be something you can address, or at least

try for defined period of time, before moving on to your schedule of

what you want to add in. Myself, I sometimes just move ahead anyhow

because I can't figure out what else to do :-( Not very helpful, I

know...

Anita

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > After a bout of sickness we've started N from scratch.

> > We've been doing the following for 14 days now:

> > Digestive enzymes

> > Diflucan

> > Melatonin

> > (And have recently... in last 2 days finished a 2 week course of

> > vancomycin)

> >

> > Now, 5 days ago we added back in mag sulphate (small amount)

> >

> > And 2 days ago added 800 mcg Folinic acid (Brand Actifolate - L-5-

> > methyltetrahydrofolate and 5-formyl-tetrahydrofolate) and

Probiotics.

> >

> > The bad news is N is much more hyper and inattentive. He's taken

to

> > sometimes covering his ears when listening to tv or music (he

doesn't

> > seem to be stressed) and has started shaking his head, sometimes

> > appropriately, sometimes like he's a dog with canker!

> > The good news is he potty trained himself last weekend (before we

> > added in folate and mag sulphate) And we've had glowing reports

from

> > pre school!

> >

> > We used to have folinic acid before (with tmg) and had given up

to 1

> > cup of epsom salts before. I know that sometimes childrens needs

> > change but could it really be just these 2 (or one of them i

suppose)

> > It goes to show that I'm not going as low and slow as i thought

cos i

> > can't identify which is the problem!!!

> >

> > So, should I wait until we're back on an even keel and then try

again

> > on put them on the back burner with the view to maybe revist at a

> > later date, and move on to my next thing - CLO?

> >

> > Thanks guys

> >

> > x

> >

> >

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20/11/2008 19:28

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[Guest guest]

Hi Anita,

Thanks for replying.

Things are already more settled since I stopped everything but the

enzymes and probio's.

I spoke to Jo yesterday and you know how it is, you're describing the

problem, then TING - lightbulb moment! I knew that N had a 2+

reaction to orange on his elisa testing so had taken orange out about

2 weeks ago (along with all the other +'s that came up.... none of

them particularly high, lots of 2's and 3's though which added

together..who knows?) Anyway, we were discussing the CLO and how it

was unlikely to be that. I was looking at the bottle and realised it

was lemon and lime flavoured. Now, lemon and limes weren't on the

test but as Jo said, it wouldn't hurt to pull all citrus.

As for Folinic acid, N's testing in the summer (both traditional

stool, blood and urines, and the kinesiology/ muscle tests) showed

deficiencies on EFA's and folinic.

We did use probio's, but have ramped them up since stopping the rx

drugs.

I'm going to stay on just these 2 until things are back on an even

keel. And then add non flavoured CLO into his drink.

Thanks for your help!

Jane

x

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > After a bout of sickness we've started N from scratch.

> > > We've been doing the following for 14 days now:

> > > Digestive enzymes

> > > Diflucan

> > > Melatonin

> > > (And have recently... in last 2 days finished a 2 week course of

> > > vancomycin)

> > >

> > > Now, 5 days ago we added back in mag sulphate (small amount)

> > >

> > > And 2 days ago added 800 mcg Folinic acid (Brand Actifolate - L-

5-

> > > methyltetrahydrofolate and 5-formyl-tetrahydrofolate) and

> Probiotics.

> > >

> > > The bad news is N is much more hyper and inattentive. He's

taken

> to

> > > sometimes covering his ears when listening to tv or music (he

> doesn't

> > > seem to be stressed) and has started shaking his head, sometimes

> > > appropriately, sometimes like he's a dog with canker!

> > > The good news is he potty trained himself last weekend (before

we

> > > added in folate and mag sulphate) And we've had glowing reports

> from

> > > pre school!

> > >

> > > We used to have folinic acid before (with tmg) and had given up

> to 1

> > > cup of epsom salts before. I know that sometimes childrens needs

> > > change but could it really be just these 2 (or one of them i

> suppose)

> > > It goes to show that I'm not going as low and slow as i thought

> cos i

> > > can't identify which is the problem!!!

> > >

> > > So, should I wait until we're back on an even keel and then try

> again

> > > on put them on the back burner with the view to maybe revist at

a

> > > later date, and move on to my next thing - CLO?

> > >

> > > Thanks guys

> > >

> > > x

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Yes, sometimes too if we remove something that offends, putting it back

in even at very low levels gives a pretty big result.

For the folinic, it might be best to add it back in with just a bit of

a multi B if you think alone it may be causing some issues.

Good detective work :-)

Anita

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> Hi Anita,

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