Re: homogenization (was kefir)

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In a message dated 3/19/04 8:12:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

johnny_tesla@... writes:

> If the only organic whole milk available to me was homogenized, I

> would buy organic non-fat milk and organic cream and blend my own

> organic, non-homogenized whole milk.

What for? That seems like a waste of time, aside from making it difficult to

drink milk without carageenan in it (as I've yet to find an organic cream

without carageenan).

Chris

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In a message dated 3/19/04 7:08:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

johnny_tesla@... writes:

> I would do it to avoid homogenization, which I've heard makes milk

> not be digested correctly or somesuch. Fortunately, we have local,

> non-homogenized milk available here.

I've never heard that, and don't see why it would (after all, goat milk isn't

harder to digest, with it's naturally smaller fat globules). I've seen it

advanced that homogenized milk causes heart disease, but Enig recently did

research into it concluding that this is not so.

Chris

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> In a message dated 3/19/04 8:12:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> johnny_tesla@y... writes:

>

> > If the only organic whole milk available to me was

> > homogenized, I would buy organic non-fat milk and

> > organic cream and blend my own

> > organic, non-homogenized whole milk.

>

> What for? That seems like a waste of time, aside from making

> it difficult to drink milk without carageenan in it (as I've

> yet to find an organic cream without carageenan).

I would do it to avoid homogenization, which I've heard makes milk

not be digested correctly or somesuch. Fortunately, we have local,

non-homogenized milk available here.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/20/04 8:52:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,

johnny_tesla@... writes:

> 'Zat mean this article is bogus?

>

> http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/homogenized.htm

It wasn't an unreasonable theory, but Enig concluded that the evidence

does not support it.

Also, it conflicts with that 10-year British study WAPF sometimes cites,

where there was an inverse correlation between milk fat and heart disease (no

doubt much or most of the milk Brits drink is homogenized).

Chris

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> In a message dated 3/19/04 7:08:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> johnny_tesla@y... writes:

>

> > I would do it to avoid homogenization, which I've heard makes milk

> > not be digested correctly or somesuch. Fortunately, we have local,

> > non-homogenized milk available here.

>

> I've never heard that, and don't see why it would (after all,

> goat milk isn't harder to digest, with it's naturally smaller

> fat globules). I've seen it advanced that homogenized milk

> causes heart disease, but Enig recently did research

> into it concluding that this is not so.

'Zat mean this article is bogus?

http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/homogenized.htm

[Guest guest]

> > In a message dated 3/19/04 7:08:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > johnny_tesla@y... writes:

> >

> > > I would do it to avoid homogenization, which I've heard makes

milk

> > > not be digested correctly or somesuch. Fortunately, we have

local,

> > > non-homogenized milk available here.

> >

> > I've never heard that, and don't see why it would (after all,

> > goat milk isn't harder to digest, with it's naturally smaller

> > fat globules). I've seen it advanced that homogenized milk

> > causes heart disease, but Enig recently did research

> > into it concluding that this is not so.

>

> 'Zat mean this article is bogus?

>

> http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/homogenized.htm

>

>

Ooooops.... never mind:

http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/homogenization.html

[Guest guest]

At 09:31 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote:

>I've never heard that, and don't see why it would (after all, goat milk isn't

>harder to digest, with it's naturally smaller fat globules). I've seen it

>advanced that homogenized milk causes heart disease, but Enig

>recently did

>research into it concluding that this is not so.

>

>Chris

i read the enig article, and for some reason the X factor sticks in my

mind. i've loaned some books out so i'm kind of stuck, but jeeze, didn't

price himself say all the stuff about the X factor and link that to heart

disease? am i on crack?

katja

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In a message dated 3/23/04 12:35:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, katja@...

writes:

> i read the enig article, and for some reason the X factor sticks in my

> mind. i've loaned some books out so i'm kind of stuck, but jeeze, didn't

> price himself say all the stuff about the X factor and link that to heart

> disease? am i on crack?

Yes, and the other fat-solubles. But does homogenization destroy the

X-factor? Does homogenized milk have any less X-factor than pasteurized,

grain-fed,

non-homogenized milk? Price associated the X-factor with grass-feeding, and

his link to heart disease had nothing to do with the processing of milk, but

rather he connected heart disease to the time of year when butter was lower in

X-factor, E, A, etc, due to the grass cycle.

So, perhaps homogenization might theoretically have some effect on X-factor,

were there actually any left in the milk for it to destroy (though we have no

reason to think so), but given the low amount we'd expect to be in otherwise

equivalent, non-homogenized milk, it doesn't seem like a reason to go out of

one's way to avoid homogenized milk to me.

Besides, the X-factor might be protective, but that doesn't mean lack of it

is harmful. If you aren't getting it in your butter, you need to get it

somewhere else, but that doesn't mean the butter itself is harmful.

Chris

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At 08:52 PM 3/23/2004, you wrote:

>Yes, and the other fat-solubles. But does homogenization destroy the

>X-factor? Does homogenized milk have any less X-factor than pasteurized,

>grain-fed,

>non-homogenized milk? Price associated the X-factor with grass-feeding, and

>his link to heart disease had nothing to do with the processing of milk, but

>rather he connected heart disease to the time of year when butter was

>lower in

>X-factor, E, A, etc, due to the grass cycle.

oh, jeeze, you're right - i'm so embarrassed!!

thanks fro reminding me!

still though, homogenization is evil.

-katja

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In a message dated 3/24/04 9:22:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, katja@...

writes:

> still though, homogenization is evil.

Why?

Chris