Re: Advice re SEN Statement

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Write down the points that you wish to make. Tell them that all

provision should be quantified ie not just SLT support (v vague) but 3

hrs SLT a week on mon, wed and fri 10-11 (slight exaggeration).

Make sure that you ask them for what you want. Give them a piece of

paper with it on so that they cannot claim not to know. Do not negotiate

or agree to see how placement works out in practice. Point out that they

have not met the professionals recommendations.

Be calm. Use the Christmas break to contact IPSEA. People don't always

win at Tribunal (we lost). Best weapons on your side are establishment

figures -- NHS paediatrician, lea ed psyche.

Sally

McReynolds wrote:

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> Hi everyone

>

> Sorry to go off topic but was hoping there are some experienced

> parents out there who could offer me some advice!

>

> I'm meeting with the local authority tomorrow to discuss my son's

> Proposed Statement, which doesn't include anything I asked for and

> really not much over what every NT child would get as standard - it's

> pretty shocking but I'm guessing they try to get away with as little

> as possible. They didn't even include the professionals'

> recommendations. I've been fighting with the local authority over

> speech therapy for a long time and they are really difficult so I'm

> not really expecting much and our SEN advisor already told me I'd have

> to go to tribunal. Still, I'd like to feel more prepared than I do at

> the moment and I was wondering if anyone who's been through this

> already had any advice or tips for me to try to get as much included

> in the statement as possible?

>

> Any help is appreciated!

> Thanks

>

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I reccoment you to give SOSSEN (020 8979 8853) a ring. They are like IPSEA , they give you advice and support you. The difference is that you can nearly straight away get to talk to someone when you ring, I rang them today (Thursday) and I talked to someone. I am in the same situation as your and very stressed.

Good luck.

Re: Advice re SEN Statement

Write down the points that you wish to make. Tell them that all

provision should be quantified ie not just SLT support (v vague) but 3

hrs SLT a week on mon, wed and fri 10-11 (slight exaggeration).

Make sure that you ask them for what you want. Give them a piece of

paper with it on so that they cannot claim not to know. Do not negotiate

or agree to see how placement works out in practice. Point out that they

have not met the professionals recommendations.

Be calm. Use the Christmas break to contact IPSEA. People don't always

win at Tribunal (we lost). Best weapons on your side are establishment

figures -- NHS paediatrician, lea ed psyche.

Sally

McReynolds wrote:

>

>

> Hi everyone

>

> Sorry to go off topic but was hoping there are some experienced

> parents out there who could offer me some advice!

>

> I'm meeting with the local authority tomorrow to discuss my son's

> Proposed Statement, which doesn't include anything I asked for and

> really not much over what every NT child would get as standard - it's

> pretty shocking but I'm guessing they try to get away with as little

> as possible. They didn't even include the professionals'

> recommendations. I've been fighting with the local authority over

> speech therapy for a long time and they are really difficult so I'm

> not really expecting much and our SEN advisor already told me I'd have

> to go to tribunal. Still, I'd like to feel more prepared than I do at

> the moment and I was wondering if anyone who's been through this

> already had any advice or tips for me to try to get as much included

> in the statement as possible?

>

> Any help is appreciated!

> Thanks

>

>

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We are on our 3rd tribunal now - nice job for us over the Xmas

period...........

My advice is to concentrate primarily on your child's needs - these

should be named at part 2 of the statement

Everything hangs on the needs. If you get the need properly

described then it follows that the appropriate provision to meet the

need should be named at part 3 of the statement. Dont expect either

needs or provision to be recorded appropriately by the LA - they

will be focussing all their efforts on minimising your child's needs

so that the provision (and therefore the amount of money it will

cost) can be minimised.

However, the tribunal are likely to see this differently - if needs

are adequately described but provision to meet the needs is not

appropriately described then the tribunal can help you. BUT you

have to make your case - they can only help you if you have done the

groundwork by making sure needs are accurately described.

If you have had a statutory assessment (which you will have if you

have got to this stage) then there will be reports from various

professionals (Ed Psych, SaLT, Teachers, others as appropriate) that

should describe your child's needs.

Go through each report with a fine toothcomb and highlight what is

said about needs.

Then look at the provision side - go through the professionals'

reports again (NOT the proposed statement) and look at what the

professionals say about provision in their individual reports. You

then need to decide whether the provision that is described will

adequately meet your child's needs. Dont rely on anyone else - you

know your child - what will work? Is it enough?

If you disagree with the provision specified by the professionals in

their reports then you are into a different ballgame as you will

need your own independent professional reports in order to challenge

the provision at tribunal. The same applies if you disagree with

what the professionals have said about needs.

If you agree that the provision specified by the professionals will

adequately meet your child's needs then your objective in the

meeting with the LA is to get that provision into the proposed

statement. The way to get it in is to match it to the

need...................which is why the description of the need is

so important.

The way to get the need adequately described is to use what the

professionals have said (as long as you are happy with it - if not,

as said before, you will need your own independent reports from

professionals). Eg if your SaLT report says that your child needs

10 hours per half term SaLT and the LA havent put this into the

proposed statement then your objective is to highlight that the LA

is not including what its own professionals have said. Ask them to

explain why they arent following the advice of the professionals and

get it minuted (excellent ammo for tribunal).

The LA will have great difficulty at a tribunal explaining to the

panel why they are not including the advice of their own

professionals in the statement.

It is all about need and provision - primarily need as that defines

provision. That is what you need to keep focused on.

Be calm, be reasonable (even when it ties you in knots), take time

out to confer privately if you need it - above all, do your homework

and be sure of the description of needs that you want to see in the

statement.

Hope that helps - good luck

Zoe

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> Hi everyone

>

> Sorry to go off topic but was hoping there are some experienced

parents out there who could offer me some advice!

>

> I'm meeting with the local authority tomorrow to discuss my son's

Proposed Statement, which doesn't include anything I asked for and

really not much over what every NT child would get as standard -

it's pretty shocking but I'm guessing they try to get away with as

little as possible. They didn't even include the professionals'

recommendations. I've been fighting with the local authority over

speech therapy for a long time and they are really difficult so I'm

not really expecting much and our SEN advisor already told me I'd

have to go to tribunal. Still, I'd like to feel more prepared than

I do at the moment and I was wondering if anyone who's been through

this already had any advice or tips for me to try to get as much

included in the statement as possible?

>

> Any help is appreciated!

> Thanks

>

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[Guest guest]

To this I would add that Tribunal rules changed in November and

parents now have to have their evidence ready very early on, You also

only have a very short period to lodge your appeal from the date the

Statement is issued. So get advice asap if you think Tribunal may be

necessary. If you need independent expert reports then it is

important to be aware that the best ones get very booked up and so

may not be available. Also independent reports cost money, quite a

lot of money (I don't know what current prices are, but expect to

have to find a couple of thousand or more for two reports).

SOS!SEN are very helpful but will be shut for Christmas soon, if not

already.

If you are eligible for legal aid things are a bit easier, but you

still have to pay for expert witnesses to attend Tribunal and for any

professional representation.

Do get the best advice you can.

Margaret

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> >

> > Hi everyone

> >

> > Sorry to go off topic but was hoping there are some experienced

> parents out there who could offer me some advice!

> >

> > I'm meeting with the local authority tomorrow to discuss my son's

> Proposed Statement, which doesn't include anything I asked for and

> really not much over what every NT child would get as standard -

> it's pretty shocking but I'm guessing they try to get away with as

> little as possible. They didn't even include the professionals'

> recommendations. I've been fighting with the local authority over

> speech therapy for a long time and they are really difficult so I'm

> not really expecting much and our SEN advisor already told me I'd

> have to go to tribunal. Still, I'd like to feel more prepared than

> I do at the moment and I was wondering if anyone who's been through

> this already had any advice or tips for me to try to get as much

> included in the statement as possible?

> >

> > Any help is appreciated!

> > Thanks

> >

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