Re: The &#039;Liver flap&#039; = hand flapping

> > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> >

> <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> flapping

> > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> >

>

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November 28, 2008

wonder if the liver prob translates into the jumping, running on the

spot prob my boy has. He seems compelled to be in constant movement,

like he is trying to block something out, or rather responding to an

over active something or other.

i am appalled that this info is available and doctors have never

referrd to it. its always the " autism " as an excuse. you stupid

bastards, when are you going to wake up to our kids.

emailing this study to everyone i know!!!!

> > >

> > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

links

> > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > resemble

> > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > >

> > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > >

> >

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> > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

Link:http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.shtml

> > >

> > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > flapping

> > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > >

> >

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27/11/2008 19:53

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>

November 28, 2008

And Wakefield writes:

<<An overgrowth of acid-tolerant bacteria in the bowel (D-lactic

acidosis) can cause aggression, stupor, movement disorders, including

_asterixis_ (involuntary jerking, especially in the hands), and other

symptoms.>>

So may be there is a connection with the liver.....

JULIE GRIFFITHS schrieb:

>

> It's something I have always wondered about. I hope parents can read

> these pages and let me know if the description of the 'liver flip' is

> similar to what they are seeing in chidren with 'hand flapping'.

>

> bbrowne123 schrieb:

> >

> > wow, what a super sleuth, this is really really interesting, my boy

> > has never flapped but seen many kids who do.

> >

> > >

> > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the links

> > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > resemble

> > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > >

> > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>

> > >

> >

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> <http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js>>

> > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > >

> > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>> (: rapid involuntary

> > flapping

> > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG.

> > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> >

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

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> Checked by AVG.

> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date: 27/11/2008

19:53

>

November 28, 2008

Edith does that running, jumping on the spot when over-excited. She has

very very occasionally flapped very briefly

Sally

bbrowne123 wrote:

>

> wonder if the liver prob translates into the jumping, running on the

> spot prob my boy has. He seems compelled to be in constant movement,

> like he is trying to block something out, or rather responding to an

> over active something or other.

>

> i am appalled that this info is available and doctors have never

> referrd to it. its always the " autism " as an excuse. you stupid

> bastards, when are you going to wake up to our kids.

>

> emailing this study to everyone i know!!!!

> > > >

> > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

> links

> > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > resemble

> > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > >

> > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>

> > > >

> > >

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> <http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js>

>

> > >

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> s>

> > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > >

> > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>> (: rapid involuntary

> > > flapping

> > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> ------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

> >

>

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19:53

>

November 28, 2008

Hi

hand flap , leg flap when he was going to sleep now he

still very jumpy ,sometimes he will flap when watching something

exiting but where we were is like a miracle to now he looked like he

is going to take of )) and this started to change after antifungal

and lots of nice little changes after gaba

t

> > > >

> > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

> links

> > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > resemble

> > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > >

> > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > >

> > >

>

> > >

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> s>

> > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

Link:http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s

> > > >

> > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > > flapping

> > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------

> ------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

> >

>

November 28, 2008

Hi Mandi, oh yes please, would like to know!! My boy stomps his feet when he walks or kicks them out which looks like a stasi goose step. so much is going on inside them

>>Sam only stomps around if he is angry and has been known to stamp on the spot - I love it when he does 'normal' things!

is convinced Sam also said HOME during the assessment, got 3 hours of DVD to go through to see if I can hear it too. Also says an approximation of I AM when he said are you ready to go home.....I was shattered after 3.5 hour drive on awful roads, I could hardly string 2 words together, exciting if Sam managed it eh?

Mandi x

November 28, 2008

She only tolerates a small amount of MAG sulph.I don't know if it's the sulphate or the mag that she can't handle.She has similar symptoms with probiotics ,B6, Magnesium and yoghurt.I wondered if her motility is just so sluggish that ammonia just builds up,from fermentation in her gut.She can't tolerate enzymes.

>>Can she cope with activated charcoal? That and liquid Zeolites should soak up ammonia

Mandi x

November 28, 2008

She only tolerates a small amount of MAG sulph.I don't know if it's the sulphate or the mag that she can't handle.She has similar symptoms with probiotics ,B6, Magnesium and yoghurt.I wondered if her motility is just so sluggish that ammonia just builds up,from fermentation in her gut.She can't tolerate enzymes.

>>Can she cope with activated charcoal? That and liquid Zeolites should soak up ammonia

Mandi x

November 28, 2008

-whenever I have given Katy lactic acid probiotics she has I think

raised ammonia. Shown as high blood urea and liver enzymes and a low

potassium.I think for her it is a faulty tryptophan metabolism ,she

can't handle the amines produced and they cause high ammonia.She also

had a very severe asthma attack after 1 mg of melatonin and this also

happens if she has too many probiotics.

Sharon

-- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , JULIE GRIFFITHS

wrote:

>

> And Wakefield writes:

>

> <<An overgrowth of acid-tolerant bacteria in the bowel (D-lactic

> acidosis) can cause aggression, stupor, movement disorders,

including

> _asterixis_ (involuntary jerking, especially in the hands), and

other

> symptoms.>>

>

html

>

> So may be there is a connection with the liver.....

>

> JULIE GRIFFITHS schrieb:

> >

> > It's something I have always wondered about. I hope parents can

read

> > these pages and let me know if the description of the 'liver

flip' is

> > similar to what they are seeing in chidren with 'hand flapping'.

> >

> > bbrowne123 schrieb:

> > >

> > > wow, what a super sleuth, this is really really interesting, my

boy

> > > has never flapped but seen many kids who do.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

links

> > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > resemble

> > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > >

> > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>

> > > >

> > >

> >

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> >

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> > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>

> > > >

> > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> Link:http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s

> > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>> (: rapid involuntary

> > > flapping

> > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

Date:

> > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG.

> > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

27/11/2008 19:53

> >

>

November 28, 2008

Sharon,

You can get the amines down with sulphate (magnesium sulphate)

theoretically. SO is the L. acidopholous causing the ammonia, do you think??

Sharon schrieb:

>

> -whenever I have given Katy lactic acid probiotics she has I think

> raised ammonia. Shown as high blood urea and liver enzymes and a low

> potassium.I think for her it is a faulty tryptophan metabolism ,she

> can't handle the amines produced and they cause high ammonia.She also

> had a very severe asthma attack after 1 mg of melatonin and this also

> happens if she has too many probiotics.

>

> Sharon

>

> -- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> <mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe%40yahoogroups.com>, JULIE GRIFFITHS

> wrote:

> >

> > And Wakefield writes:

> >

> > <<An overgrowth of acid-tolerant bacteria in the bowel (D-lactic

> > acidosis) can cause aggression, stupor, movement disorders,

> including

> > _asterixis_ (involuntary jerking, especially in the hands), and

> other

> > symptoms.>>

> >

> <http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s>

> html

> >

> > So may be there is a connection with the liver.....

> >

> > JULIE GRIFFITHS schrieb:

> > >

> > > It's something I have always wondered about. I hope parents can

> read

> > > these pages and let me know if the description of the 'liver

> flip' is

> > > similar to what they are seeing in chidren with 'hand flapping'.

> > >

> > > bbrowne123 schrieb:

> > > >

> > > > wow, what a super sleuth, this is really really interesting, my

> boy

> > > > has never flapped but seen many kids who do.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

> links

> > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > > resemble

> > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > >

> > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > > > >

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>>

> > > > >

> <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>

> Link:http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s

> <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>> (: rapid involuntary

> > > > flapping

> > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> Date:

> > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> ------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> No virus found in this incoming message.

> Checked by AVG.

> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date: 27/11/2008

19:53

>

November 28, 2008

Sharon,

You can get the amines down with sulphate (magnesium sulphate)

theoretically. SO is the L. acidopholous causing the ammonia, do you think??

Sharon schrieb:

>

> -whenever I have given Katy lactic acid probiotics she has I think

> raised ammonia. Shown as high blood urea and liver enzymes and a low

> potassium.I think for her it is a faulty tryptophan metabolism ,she

> can't handle the amines produced and they cause high ammonia.She also

> had a very severe asthma attack after 1 mg of melatonin and this also

> happens if she has too many probiotics.

>

> Sharon

>

> -- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> <mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe%40yahoogroups.com>, JULIE GRIFFITHS

> wrote:

> >

> > And Wakefield writes:

> >

> > <<An overgrowth of acid-tolerant bacteria in the bowel (D-lactic

> > acidosis) can cause aggression, stupor, movement disorders,

> including

> > _asterixis_ (involuntary jerking, especially in the hands), and

> other

> > symptoms.>>

> >

> <http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s>

> html

> >

> > So may be there is a connection with the liver.....

> >

> > JULIE GRIFFITHS schrieb:

> > >

> > > It's something I have always wondered about. I hope parents can

> read

> > > these pages and let me know if the description of the 'liver

> flip' is

> > > similar to what they are seeing in chidren with 'hand flapping'.

> > >

> > > bbrowne123 schrieb:

> > > >

> > > > wow, what a super sleuth, this is really really interesting, my

> boy

> > > > has never flapped but seen many kids who do.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

> links

> > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > > resemble

> > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > >

> > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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> <http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js>

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> > > > >

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>>

> > > > >

> <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>> (: rapid involuntary

> > > > flapping

> > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> Date:

> > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> ------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> No virus found in this incoming message.

> Checked by AVG.

> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date: 27/11/2008

19:53

>

November 28, 2008

Hi Mandi, oh yes please, would like to know!! My boy stomps his feet

when he walks or kicks them out which looks like a stasi goose step.

so much is going on inside them

>

> In a message dated 28/11/2008 11:32:51 GMT Standard Time,

> bbrowne123@... writes:

>

> wonder if the liver prob translates into the jumping, running on

the

> spot prob my boy has. He seems compelled to be in constant

movement,

> like he is trying to block something out, or rather responding to

an

> over active something or other.

>

> >>>Sam is very active, though not what I would call hyperactive

but if he's

> awake he is moving. Just had HANDLE assessment, says

> neurodevelopmentally is he stressed, movement is soothing him. We

have exercises to get started o

> n after xmas when I have practised on me, will let you know how we

get on

>

> Mandi x

>

November 28, 2008

flagyl worked wonders for us, a two week oral course of it and we

hvae never had constipation again! also eating improved.In Autism-

Biomedical-Europe , " jamesboydr "

wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> hand flap , leg flap when he was going to sleep now he

> still very jumpy ,sometimes he will flap when watching something

> exiting but where we were is like a miracle to now he looked like

he

> is going to take of )) and this started to change after

antifungal

> and lots of nice little changes after gaba

>

> t

>

> > > > >

> > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See

the

> > links

> > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > > resemble

> > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered

what

> > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > >

> > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > >

> >

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> > s>

> > > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > > >

> > > > >

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> > > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > > > flapping

> > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------

----

> > ------

> > > >

> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

Date:

> > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 28, 2008

flagyl worked wonders for us, a two week oral course of it and we

hvae never had constipation again! also eating improved.In Autism-

Biomedical-Europe , " jamesboydr "

wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> hand flap , leg flap when he was going to sleep now he

> still very jumpy ,sometimes he will flap when watching something

> exiting but where we were is like a miracle to now he looked like

he

> is going to take of )) and this started to change after

antifungal

> and lots of nice little changes after gaba

>

> t

>

> > > > >

> > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See

the

> > links

> > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > > resemble

> > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered

what

> > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > >

> > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > >

> >

<http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> > s>

> > > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > > >

> > > > >

Link:http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s

> > > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > > > flapping

> > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------

----

> > ------

> > > >

> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

Date:

> > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 28, 2008

-She only tolerates a small amount of MAG sulph.I don't know if it's

the sulphate or the mag that she can't handle.She has similar

symptoms with probiotics ,B6, Magnesium and yoghurt.I wondered if her

motility is just so sluggish that ammonia just builds up,from

fermentation in her gut.She can't tolerate enzymes.

I have read that trypophan metabolism problems are associated with

Asthma and atopic disease,the reaction she had to the melatonin was

very sudden and very severe,she's also had similar although not as

severe a reaction to probiotics and yoghurt,Magnesium and B6 have

also been a problem.During these occassions she has had hand shaking

and head jerking.

I've read your advise about adrenal support and we are introducing

the adrenal cortex,I also have inositol and choline to start.I'm a

bit worried about giving her things that raise serotonin in the

gut.Is inositol likely to do this or does it just manage serotonin

better ?

Thanks

Sharon

-- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , JULIE GRIFFITHS

wrote:

>

> Sharon,

>

> You can get the amines down with sulphate (magnesium sulphate)

> theoretically. SO is the L. acidopholous causing the ammonia, do

you think??

>

> Sharon schrieb:

> >

> > -whenever I have given Katy lactic acid probiotics she has I think

> > raised ammonia. Shown as high blood urea and liver enzymes and a

low

> > potassium.I think for her it is a faulty tryptophan

metabolism ,she

> > can't handle the amines produced and they cause high ammonia.She

also

> > had a very severe asthma attack after 1 mg of melatonin and this

also

> > happens if she has too many probiotics.

> >

> > Sharon

> >

> > -- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > <mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe%40yahoogroups.com>, JULIE

GRIFFITHS

> > <moppett1@> wrote:

> > >

> > > And Wakefield writes:

> > >

> > > <<An overgrowth of acid-tolerant bacteria in the bowel (D-lactic

> > > acidosis) can cause aggression, stupor, movement disorders,

> > including

> > > _asterixis_ (involuntary jerking, especially in the hands), and

> > other

> > > symptoms.>>

> > >

> >

> >

<http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s>

> > html

> > >

> > > So may be there is a connection with the liver.....

> > >

> > > JULIE GRIFFITHS schrieb:

> > > >

> > > > It's something I have always wondered about. I hope parents

can

> > read

> > > > these pages and let me know if the description of the 'liver

> > flip' is

> > > > similar to what they are seeing in chidren with 'hand

flapping'.

> > > >

> > > > bbrowne123 schrieb:

> > > > >

> > > > > wow, what a super sleuth, this is really really

interesting, my

> > boy

> > > > > has never flapped but seen many kids who do.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See

the

> > links

> > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in

autism

> > > > > resemble

> > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered

what

> > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://medical-

dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>

> > > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> >

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s>

> >

> > > >

> >

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> >

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> > > >

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> >

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>

> > s>>

> > > > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>

Link:http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s

> > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>> (: rapid involuntary

> > > > > flapping

> > > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> > Date:

> > > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > ------

> > > >

> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

Date:

> > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG.

> > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

27/11/2008 19:53

> >

>

November 28, 2008

-She only tolerates a small amount of MAG sulph.I don't know if it's

the sulphate or the mag that she can't handle.She has similar

symptoms with probiotics ,B6, Magnesium and yoghurt.I wondered if her

motility is just so sluggish that ammonia just builds up,from

fermentation in her gut.She can't tolerate enzymes.

I have read that trypophan metabolism problems are associated with

Asthma and atopic disease,the reaction she had to the melatonin was

very sudden and very severe,she's also had similar although not as

severe a reaction to probiotics and yoghurt,Magnesium and B6 have

also been a problem.During these occassions she has had hand shaking

and head jerking.

I've read your advise about adrenal support and we are introducing

the adrenal cortex,I also have inositol and choline to start.I'm a

bit worried about giving her things that raise serotonin in the

gut.Is inositol likely to do this or does it just manage serotonin

better ?

Thanks

Sharon

-- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , JULIE GRIFFITHS

wrote:

>

> Sharon,

>

> You can get the amines down with sulphate (magnesium sulphate)

> theoretically. SO is the L. acidopholous causing the ammonia, do

you think??

>

> Sharon schrieb:

> >

> > -whenever I have given Katy lactic acid probiotics she has I think

> > raised ammonia. Shown as high blood urea and liver enzymes and a

low

> > potassium.I think for her it is a faulty tryptophan

metabolism ,she

> > can't handle the amines produced and they cause high ammonia.She

also

> > had a very severe asthma attack after 1 mg of melatonin and this

also

> > happens if she has too many probiotics.

> >

> > Sharon

> >

> > -- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > <mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe%40yahoogroups.com>, JULIE

GRIFFITHS

> > <moppett1@> wrote:

> > >

> > > And Wakefield writes:

> > >

> > > <<An overgrowth of acid-tolerant bacteria in the bowel (D-lactic

> > > acidosis) can cause aggression, stupor, movement disorders,

> > including

> > > _asterixis_ (involuntary jerking, especially in the hands), and

> > other

> > > symptoms.>>

> > >

> >

> >

<http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s>

> > html

> > >

> > > So may be there is a connection with the liver.....

> > >

> > > JULIE GRIFFITHS schrieb:

> > > >

> > > > It's something I have always wondered about. I hope parents

can

> > read

> > > > these pages and let me know if the description of the 'liver

> > flip' is

> > > > similar to what they are seeing in chidren with 'hand

flapping'.

> > > >

> > > > bbrowne123 schrieb:

> > > > >

> > > > > wow, what a super sleuth, this is really really

interesting, my

> > boy

> > > > > has never flapped but seen many kids who do.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See

the

> > links

> > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in

autism

> > > > > resemble

> > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered

what

> > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://medical-

dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>

> > > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> >

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s>

> >

> > > >

> >

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>

> > s>>

> > > > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>> (: rapid involuntary

> > > > > flapping

> > > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> > Date:

> > > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > ------

> > > >

> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

Date:

> > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG.

> > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

27/11/2008 19:53

> >

>

November 28, 2008

My boy had to stop the L.acidophilus probiotics asap after urine

level really high! He has high ammonia/low urea...

Sharon how did your girl respond to enzymnes badly? Just about to try

them on little man.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection.

See

> the

> > > links

> > > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in

> autism

> > > > > > resemble

> > > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always

wondered

> what

> > > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://medical-

> dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>

> > > > > > <http://medical-

dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

>

>

> > >

>

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> > > > > > p?

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>

> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>

> > > > > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>> (: rapid involuntary

> > > > > > flapping

> > > > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> > > Date:

> > > > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > ------

> > > > >

> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> Date:

> > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------

--

> ------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

> >

>

November 28, 2008

My boy had to stop the L.acidophilus probiotics asap after urine

level really high! He has high ammonia/low urea...

Sharon how did your girl respond to enzymnes badly? Just about to try

them on little man.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection.

See

> the

> > > links

> > > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in

> autism

> > > > > > resemble

> > > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always

wondered

> what

> > > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://medical-

> dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>

> > > > > > <http://medical-

dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>>

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > p?

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>

> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>

> > > > > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html>>> (: rapid involuntary

> > > > > > flapping

> > > > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> > > Date:

> > > > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > ------

> > > > >

> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> Date:

> > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------

--

> ------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

> >

>

November 28, 2008

hey

flagyl?? where do i get this?? i will be seeing doc soon will ask

about this..

thamks

t

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See

> the

> > > links

> > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > > > resemble

> > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered

> what

> > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> <http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> > > s>

> > > > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > > > > flapping

> > > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------

> ----

> > > ------

> > > > >

> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> Date:

> > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 28, 2008

just got it from GP for the asking.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection.

See

> > the

> > > > links

> > > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in

autism

> > > > > > resemble

> > > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always

wondered

> > what

> > > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://medical-

dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > > > <http://medical-

dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

<http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> > > > s>

> > > > > > p?

requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > > > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid

involuntary

> > > > > > flapping

> > > > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

----

> > ----

> > > > ------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 -

Release

> > Date:

> > > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 28, 2008

just got it from GP for the asking.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection.

See

> > the

> > > > links

> > > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in

autism

> > > > > > resemble

> > > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always

wondered

> > what

> > > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://medical-

dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > > > <http://medical-

dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

<http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> > > > s>

> > > > > > p?

requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > > > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid

involuntary

> > > > > > flapping

> > > > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

----

> > ----

> > > > ------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 -

Release

> > Date:

> > > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 28, 2008

great thanks, my GP will go crazy i am asking him always for

something...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection.

> See

> > > the

> > > > > links

> > > > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in

> autism

> > > > > > > resemble

> > > > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always

> wondered

> > > what

> > > > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://medical-

> dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > > > > <http://medical-

> dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> <http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> > > > > s>

> > > > > > > p?

> requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > > > > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid

> involuntary

> > > > > > > flapping

> > > > > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> ----

> > > ----

> > > > > ------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 -

> Release

> > > Date:

> > > > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 28, 2008

great thanks, my GP will go crazy i am asking him always for

something...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection.

> See

> > > the

> > > > > links

> > > > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in

> autism

> > > > > > > resemble

> > > > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always

> wondered

> > > what

> > > > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://medical-

> dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > > > > <http://medical-

> dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> <http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> > > > > s>

> > > > > > > p?

> requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > > > > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid

> involuntary

> > > > > > > flapping

> > > > > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> ----

> > > ----

> > > > > ------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 -

> Release

> > > Date:

> > > > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 28, 2008

-Hi,

I think Katy is quite unusual in her sensitivities.She had some

facial puffiness and abdo pain and a bit of head jerking.So I

stopped in case she was allergic.

Sharon.

-- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , " ru345mins "

wrote:

>

> My boy had to stop the L.acidophilus probiotics asap after urine

> level really high! He has high ammonia/low urea...

> Sharon how did your girl respond to enzymnes badly? Just about to

try

> them on little man.

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection.

> See

> > the

> > > > links

> > > > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in

> > autism

> > > > > > > resemble

> > > > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always

> wondered

> > what

> > > > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://medical-

> > dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > > <http://medical-

dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>

> > > > > > > <http://medical-

> dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > > > > <http://medical-

dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>>>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> >

> > > >

> >

>

<http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> > s>

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

<http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> >

> > > >

> >

>

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> > >

> > > > s>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

<http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> >

> > > >

> >

>

<http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> > >

> > > > s

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

<http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> >

> > > >

> >

>

<http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> > >

> > > > s>>

> > > > > > > p?

> requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>>

> > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap