how much is too much???

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well, thanks for the compliment, i think i learn a lot from my

boyfriend who has a real physics/chemistry background and i'm just

trying to find myself the best thing to put in my mouth !!

1) maybe i over eat. talking about overeating,

i often think that i have to include some of everything, like,

animal protien, fat, fermented vegetables, cooked vegetables,

sometimes some grains, legumes, and soup, and a piece of fruit in

every meal, sometimes some good cheese (which is very addictive )but

all of those things amount to a very big meal even if i have just a

little of each kind. and it is true that more often than not i stuff

myself to the level that i don't wanna move at all after eating, but

what can i do ? gotta have some of everything. but maybe that's not

a very good idea...

2) even if i eat a lot of fat, it shouldn't make me fatter

(theoretically.)

but these foods are so good. they're good for you and they taste

good. it's hard not to tell myself that " i'll just have one more

bite . " but i'm wondering at the same time that it shouldn't be a

problem even if i'm consuming a lot of high calary foods like fat or

Saured cream, theoretically.

3) maybe the too-high-on-fat diet is not suitable for an asian. i

don't know if there's any asians who are on this diet, and i'm

wondering if my asian body is not That accustomed to large quantity

of fat since my ancestors have been on a rice-based diet for

thousands of years. but it's prevailing here that a diet of more fat

and less carb is better, but is it for Me???

those are just some questions and speculations that i've been

thinking about, trying to apply my logic skills that i learned from

class to my diet...hehe.

bonny

> @@@@ Bonny:

> hey i just joined the list !! i'm a 20 year old female college

> student who has found sally fallon's way of eating fabulous. i have

> been experimenting on a raw meat diet for about three monthes in

> which i consumed great amount of raw beef and raw butter and some

> sauerkraut,beet kvass,bone broth, raw cream, raw cheese and

> sometimes raw fish, and so did my boyfriend. (and among our college

> friends we're the weirdest couple) recently we've found that maybe

> we should start eating a more variety of foods, so we started a

week

> ago cooking some vegetables (before we insisted on fermenting them

> only, but it's impossible for us to carry it out)

> @@@@@

>

> Hi Bonny,

> Wow, you're in the NT youth vanguard alongside and that

really

> cool kid from Quebec, (hasn't been on the list in a few

months,

> but he's still the winner since he was 17 back when he posted

> actively)!! It's pretty cool to think of having an amazing life

of

> zero health problems by practicing prevention at an early age.

> [apologies to older people on the list whose experiences have been

> generously shared for others to learn from]. At 27, I'm no

spring

> chicken anymore, but luckily I enjoyed freedom from any health

> problems on my SAD diet before I discovered WAPF/NT a bit under

two

> years ago, so I'm in the 100% prevention groove too.

> I admire your idealism with the fermented veggie thing, but cooked

> veggies are not second-class foods at all; I don't see that as a

> compromise. I eat a lot of fermented veggies, but when greens are

in

> season I mostly eat them unfermented, either cooked or raw

depending

> on the specific item. Freshly harvested and cooked veggies

probably

> have some advantages over fermented veggies, because there is some

> vitamin loss during fermentation. Best to eat from all three

> categories of veggies: raw, cooked, and fermented. Seasonality

and

> specific chemical details of each item are the main factors in

> choosing how to split things up. Just keep in mind that the

quality

> of the soil your veggies come from is a thousand times more

important

> than whether you process them with heat or fermentation (assuming

of

> course " heat " doesn't include deep-frying or something!). And

the

> breed (wild, degree of hybridization, etc) is also generally more

> important than those processing distinctions. And of course

boiling

> some veggies you picked fresh that day [garden, local farm, wild]

> will be better than fermenting veggies from a supermarket that had

> been picked a week ago. And so on...

>

> Yeah, variety is good! Best not to overdo a narrow Aajonus diet

or

> something. Cooked meats are okay too, although my meat intake is

> mostly eat raw beef muscle meats and organs. There's much to be

> said for variety and I'm not aware of any problems associated with

> intelligently cooked (e.g. simmered, steamed) meats. No matter

how

> enthusiastic they are in the beginning, people who follow narrow

> idealistic diets almost always have a hard time following them

long-

> term.

>

> Your diet sounds great! I'm biased however, because it's pretty

> similar to my diet, except 98% of my dairy intake is in the form

of

> kefir and even though I eat two or three kinds of meat almost

> everyday, I eat fairly small quantities of meats, going for

variety,

> eating eggs in season, growing a lot of sprouts, eating (mostly

> cooked) insects, etc. And as much as I like sauerkraut and could

> eat a quart in one sitting plain, I have to put a plug in for

making

> kimchi if you're not already, because it is just so profoundly

> superior to sauerkraut and has its own larger realm of gustatory

> bliss. I still make and eat sauerkraut though, just less than

kimchi.

>

> @@@@@@@

> and have tried out

> some brown rice and lentils from sally's book. the raw meat diet

was

> a very low carb diet and we think it's important to keep our animal

> protein raw and eat a lot of enzymes. but i don't know why i've

been

> having a protruding little belly just right under my belly button

> and it seems to be getting bigger. it is some kind of piled up

> flesh. i'm not a very big woman and am currently 100 pounds. but to

> see a belly growing out of proportion is a very scary thing for me

> and i don't know why. except this thing, i feel very energetic

> almost everyday to do lots of homework and food preparing and being

> pretty happy and satisfied with myself. only this weird belly.

> recently along with sally's cooked vegetables, legumes and grains

> experiments, i also added a lot of coconut cream into my diet

hoping

> in might help me gid rid of my weird belly. i'm wondering what is

> causing such a scary belly ? it's weird how i'm getting fat this

way

> while it's supposed to help loose weight for a lot of people. but

> still i consider raw animal protien and raw butter as a very

> important source of energy and good health. another factor is that

> i'm an asian , does it have anything to do with this belly

problem??

> @@@@@

>

> The belly thing almost certainly comes from eating large amounts

of

> delicious foods like butter, cream, raw beef, coconut cream, etc

that

> pack tons of calories in small servings. It's very easy to

overeat

> on those foods. (Of course the definition of " overeating " , and

body

> image issues are subjective and raise lots of separate issues.)

It's

> just basic calorie intake and physical activity stuff. I would

> recommend slightly cutting down on those things and slightly

> increasing fibrous foods like veggies and grains/legumes. Try

> adding some sprouted grains and legumes to your bone broths with

some

> spices to make amazingly tasty soups. You can also put the

coconut

> cream in them, and/or add raw cream at serving time ala NT. And

as

> you will learn from this list, if you ever have any health

problems,

> drop the grains right away! That's partially (but not totally) a

> joke and grains can be safe, healthy and great...

>

> Mike

> SE Pennsylvania

>

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