Re: Trying out the Warrior Diet

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>To all the experts out there, I'd like to ask: is there anything else

>I need to know or change? Would the fruit mess up the " running on

>glucagon " theory? Do I have to take the amino acid supplements?

>

>Thanks a lot!

>Nina

I'd tweak it according to what works for you. I eat

1-3 fruits during the day, a big salad for lunch, nothing

cooked. I do use MCT on my salad sometimes, and VCO " candies "

if I need it. Dinner seems to work best if I have a big

rare steak, and cooked vegies and usually hash browns. And/or

soup with yam noodles. I worked for a couple of months to see

what worked best for me though, and that keeps changing. I lost

10 lbs very quickly though, then plataued for a bit, now I'm

losing faster (I think the MCT and VCO help, using them instead

of animal fats ... they keep my metabolism high).

The fresh fruits don't seem to affect my blood sugar, though they might

for some people. Starches are more problematic, so using them

only in the evening works good. I'd stay away from fruit juice

or dried fruit though.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>

> >To all the experts out there, I'd like to ask: is there anything

else

> >I need to know or change? Would the fruit mess up the " running on

> >glucagon " theory? Do I have to take the amino acid supplements?

> >

> >Thanks a lot!

> >Nina

>

I also have a question on fruit and the WD... would eating just

fruit and veggies during the day exacerbate a candida overgrowth?

Normally I try not to eat fruit, but if I do, I eat it after a meal

in the hopes of balancing it with protein and fat.

I'm going to try to get my partner to try the diet and it is so much

simpler if we're eating the same way, so I'll do it with him (if I

can cope with the hunger during the day at the beginning).

Some people metion they drink kefir during the day - however, it

isn't what I would classify a lean protein. how does the fat content

fit in with the diet protocols?

Thanks

Jo

[Guest guest]

Fat is aparantly all good for wd during the day

Especially coconut oil

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From: jopollack2001 [mailto:jopollack2001@...]

Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2004 9:37 AM

Subject: Re: Trying out the Warrior Diet

>

> >To all the experts out there, I'd like to ask: is there anything

else

> >I need to know or change? Would the fruit mess up the " running on

> >glucagon " theory? Do I have to take the amino acid supplements?

> >

> >Thanks a lot!

> >Nina

>

I also have a question on fruit and the WD... would eating just

fruit and veggies during the day exacerbate a candida overgrowth?

Normally I try not to eat fruit, but if I do, I eat it after a meal

in the hopes of balancing it with protein and fat.

I'm going to try to get my partner to try the diet and it is so much

simpler if we're eating the same way, so I'll do it with him (if I

can cope with the hunger during the day at the beginning).

Some people metion they drink kefir during the day - however, it

isn't what I would classify a lean protein. how does the fat content

fit in with the diet protocols?

Thanks

Jo

[Guest guest]

Really? From what I've read so far the protein recommendations are

for lean protein (lowfat/nonfat yogurt, chicken breasts) although

they don't specify whether or not to eat the yolks of the poached

eggs. If fat is okay, then I'm all for it!

I've gotten through the undereating part of my first day already and

I feel great - no lulls or anything, just some hunger pangs here and

there. I hope my body will become acclimated to this cycle soon,

because prom also = lots of food and I know that on a 6-meal-a-day

diet I wouldn't survive one minute! Plus I can show off my gorging

skills.. just kidding.

Thanks so much for the info!

Nina

> >

> > >To all the experts out there, I'd like to ask: is there anything

> else

> > >I need to know or change? Would the fruit mess up the " running

on

> > >glucagon " theory? Do I have to take the amino acid supplements?

> > >

> > >Thanks a lot!

> > >Nina

> >

>

> I also have a question on fruit and the WD... would eating just

> fruit and veggies during the day exacerbate a candida overgrowth?

> Normally I try not to eat fruit, but if I do, I eat it after a meal

> in the hopes of balancing it with protein and fat.

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[Guest guest]

>I also have a question on fruit and the WD... would eating just

>fruit and veggies during the day exacerbate a candida overgrowth?

>Normally I try not to eat fruit, but if I do, I eat it after a meal

>in the hopes of balancing it with protein and fat.

I don't have candida issues AFAIK, so I don't know for sure, but

it seems in my experience that eating a WHOLE fruit,

with all the fiber, enzymes, etc. is just a different

thing than eating fruit juice, dried fruit, etc. I do

tend to eat low-sugar fruits, mainly because I don't

like things very sweet. But I've been eating them

by themselves, starting with a whole grapefruit

for breakfast, with no bloating or blood sugar

swings. Then an apple or banana during the day,

if I feel like it, or with lunch. Lunch is usually a salad,

which I can't think would affect candida anyway.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

On the Glycemic Index (and I do realize that this diet disregards

it), bananas are considered a very high sugar fruit, as are most

tropical fruits, so it's kind of mindboggling to hear that it doesn't

provoke blood sugar swings.. I'd be very grateful if you could

explain how it doesn't happen with you?

On a side note, I just had my first hour of overeating - oddly

enough, I don't feel too bloated, just full.. should I keep eating

through the night (until 10PM, 4 hours as Ori suggests)? It felt SOOO

good too, almost like a drug high, especially when I dug into the

mashed sweet potatoes - tasted exactly like candy w/ the butter I

added.

Am totally enjoying this diet!

Nina

>

> >I also have a question on fruit and the WD... would eating just

> >fruit and veggies during the day exacerbate a candida overgrowth?

> >Normally I try not to eat fruit, but if I do, I eat it after a

meal

> >in the hopes of balancing it with protein and fat.

>

> I don't have candida issues AFAIK, so I don't know for sure, but

> it seems in my experience that eating a WHOLE fruit,

> with all the fiber, enzymes, etc. is just a different

> thing than eating fruit juice, dried fruit, etc. I do

> tend to eat low-sugar fruits, mainly because I don't

> like things very sweet. But I've been eating them

> by themselves, starting with a whole grapefruit

> for breakfast, with no bloating or blood sugar

> swings. Then an apple or banana during the day,

> if I feel like it, or with lunch. Lunch is usually a salad,

> which I can't think would affect candida anyway.

>

> -- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>On the Glycemic Index (and I do realize that this diet disregards

>it), bananas are considered a very high sugar fruit, as are most

>tropical fruits, so it's kind of mindboggling to hear that it doesn't

>provoke blood sugar swings.. I'd be very grateful if you could

>explain how it doesn't happen with you?

Fructose is absorbed differently ... mostly it's absorbed in the stomach

and goes straight to the liver, and in theory doesn't cause insulin

surges (though diabetics still need extra insulin for fruit, so danged

if I know).

>On a side note, I just had my first hour of overeating - oddly

>enough, I don't feel too bloated, just full.. should I keep eating

>through the night (until 10PM, 4 hours as Ori suggests)? It felt SOOO

>good too, almost like a drug high, especially when I dug into the

>mashed sweet potatoes - tasted exactly like candy w/ the butter I

>added.

At first I at a lot in the evening, then it got so I got full a lot faster

and really didn't want to eat all that much. Really, you should do what works

for you. I find it varies a lot from night to night. I do avoid eating so

much that it makes me feel bad though, there is no point in stuffing

yourself. But, last night, I had one oxtail in some broth and really just

couldn't eat more. Then today I ate half a plate of hashbrowns and a

lot more meat and a big salad, plus a good bit of lox.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Hmm, I guess it just goes with the whole " follow your instincts " bit

of the diet. I think I've got the basics down, so all I have to do

now is eat and wait.. thanks a lot for the info, it was really

helpful!

Nina

>

> >On the Glycemic Index (and I do realize that this <a target=_new

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> >it), bananas are considered a very high sugar fruit, as are most

> >tropical fruits, so it's kind of mindboggling to hear that it

doesn't

> >provoke blood sugar swings.. I'd be very grateful if you could

> >explain how it doesn't happen with you?

>

> Fructose is absorbed differently ... mostly it's absorbed in the

stomach

> and goes straight to the liver, and in theory doesn't cause insulin

> surges (though diabetics still need extra insulin for fruit, so

danged

> if I know).

>

>

> >On a side note, I just had my first hour of overeating - oddly

> >enough, I don't feel too bloated, just full.. should I keep eating

> >through the night (until 10PM, 4 hours as Ori suggests)? It felt

SOOO

> >good too, almost like a drug high, especially when I dug into the

> >mashed sweet potatoes - tasted exactly like candy w/ the butter I

> >added.

>

> At first I at a lot in the evening, then it got so I got full a lot

faster

> and really didn't want to eat all that much. Really, you should do

what works

> for you. I find it varies a lot from night to night. I do avoid

eating so

> much that it makes me feel bad though, there is no point in stuffing

> yourself. But, last night, I had one oxtail in some broth and

really just

> couldn't eat more. Then today I ate half a plate of hashbrowns and a

> lot more meat and a big salad, plus a good bit of lox.

>

>

> -- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

This thread was conveniently started on the day I decided to start the WD.

actually, i didnt really make a conscious decision. i mean, i've been following

all the threads and have read the book, and am very intrigued, but i figured i

would wait till summer and i just got a new job and ... well anyway, then easter

weekend came and i had a party at my house saturday night and ended up pigging

out on chips and candy covered dried chickpeas (bad i know!) anyway i was not

hungry sunday morning then, so just had a piece of fruit and some raw yogurt

until the main easter feast. and then monday morning i wasnt hungry... so i

figured what the hell, i guess the decision is being made for me.

the past two days have been good. monday i was kind of sick at the same time so

that supressed my appetite. i ended up feeling way too stuffed after dinner

though. actually yesterday was great. i ate jerky and a bit of cooked venison

during the day, also 10 almonds and some blueberries, i was happy and alert all

day. i was starving by dinner, and ate a lot, then ate a little more a few hours

later. Here is the problem - i then went out with friends and came home to go

to bed at midnight, but i didnt fall asleep right away and around 1 i was soooo

hungry again. since i started dinner at 6, i should have been done by 11 right?

well i got up anyway and had some VCO/peanut butter/coconut/carob mixture, and

then went to sleep. i woke up around 6 RAVENOUS, but just drank water and went

back to sleep. i got up at 8 with just enough time to get to class, but i was so

hungry i had to eat. Ate a can of sardines and an apple, and feel good,

& lt;though slightly hungry & gt; now.

i know 2 days isnt enough time to get used to it, my question is, will my body

adjust so that i can eat more at night? i've gotten full too fast to come

anywhere close to the same amount of calories as before. and i think thats why

ive been thinking about food constantly. i'm gonna stick with this for at least

two weeks, but im really hoping i can eat enough at night to not wake up in the

middle of the night so hungry.

also, im gonna include this question too: i think chris i remember talking about

how it was hard for him to do the warrior meal when he had work in the evening.

that may be my dilemma often. i have to work this friday (hostess at restaurant)

from 5-12 and i am not quite sure how i'll handle that. maybe eat a meal before

i go, then ask for a break and eat a meal there?

thanks for any experience/tips~

peace

anna

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[Guest guest]

>i know 2 days isnt enough time to get used to it, my question is, will my body

adjust so that i can eat more at night? i've gotten full too fast to come

anywhere close to the same amount of calories as before. and i think thats why

ive been thinking about food constantly.

:

Eating fewer starches at night helps, esp. while getting adjusted.

I have found that eventually my blood sugar swings went

away, but they didn't immediately. It's important to remember

that " hunger " is really an illusion brought on by certain

hormones. It has *nothing* to do with how much food you

actually need or how much you actually ate, for most people.

(In an ideal situation, eating foods designed for humans,

and with good hormone balances, your appetite WOULD signal

what you need to eat, but getting hungry after a pigout feast

is mainly just nutsy hormones).

The " I gotta eat " and feeling weak is generally too much cortisol,

it seems. I've found that exercise really cuts it off (I never get

hungry when I'm out gardening all day!). Or drinking coffee,

or water, or eating a coconut oil candy. Or fried dried anchovies.

Or a carrot or an apple. Or a spoonful of MCT if I really need

a boost.

The WD does eventually seem to " cure " the " nutsy hormone "

problem, and I've found I get full on far, far less food. But if

it continues, you should also check the foods you are eating,

because food allergies DO trigger cortisol production and IMO

are responsible for a lot of the weight issues. Tops on my list

of potential baddies are: Fructose (in soft drinks and snacks),

wheat, corn, soy, some dairy, and those weird things they put

in processed foods. Your typical " party pigout " is full of those

things ... if you stick to fruit, vegies, meat for a bit you might

find it helps.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Heidi wrote:

Eating fewer starches at night helps, esp. while getting adjusted.

--------thanks heidi. Last night i had a big salad with raw kefir cream and a

little olive oil, then venison burgers with a little raw cheese and finally half

of a medium sized sweet potato with lots of raw butter. later on i had

vegetables with a peanut butter dip i make with raw honey and then later kefir.

not much starch...

I have found that eventually my blood sugar swings wentaway, but they didn't

immediately. It's important to rememberthat " hunger " is really an illusion

brought on by certainhormones. It has *nothing* to do with how much food

youactually need or how much you actually ate, for most people.

-----This is very interesting to me. for the past two years i have been trying

to recover from an eating disorder by eating freely all the time. my weigh gain

has been slow and continuous, with the idea that eventually my appetite will

readjust and plateau and then cut back. However, i have continued to gain

weight, about 10-15 pounds past where i started from (before i lost a ton of

weight). So i have been going on the assumption that if i go with appetite all

the time, that is an accurate signal of my body's needs.

Or a spoonful of MCT if I really needa boost.

----What is MCT?

food allergies DO trigger cortisol production and IMOare responsible for a lot

of the weight issues. Tops on my listof potential baddies are: Fructose (in soft

drinks and snacks), wheat, corn, soy, some dairy, and those weird things they

putin processed foods. Your typical " party pigout " is full of thosethings ... if

you stick to fruit, vegies, meat for a bit you mightfind it helps. ----I have

been off wheat for the past 6 months or so except for occassionally when i

couldnt help it. I went to mexico over spring break, and we were fed wheat

daily. I had horrible heartburn the whole time, even though i never had it

before in my life even when on the SAD diet. I stay away from all grains, dont

touch soy, and the dairy i eat is only raw kefir and butter and sometimes raw

cheese. i eat apples, bananas seem to mess me up. also eggs im not sure

about... they give me a nagging thirst that wont go away. But thanks for the

tip, i'll keep trying.

[Guest guest]

I sent this to the list last night but it never appeared.

>> This is very interesting to me. for the past two years i have been trying to

recover from an eating disorder by eating freely all the time. my weigh gain

has been slow and continuous, with the idea that eventually my appetite will

readjust and plateau and then cut back. However, i have continued to gain

weight, about 10-15 pounds past where i started from (before i lost a ton of

weight). So i have been going on the assumption that if i go with appetite all

the time, that is an accurate signal of my body's needs. <<

I did this also, and my weight gain never did end. I'm still extremely self

conscious about discussing what my weight ended up being before I found Atkins

and turned it around, but suffice it to say that I've already lost nearly a

hundred pounds and still am only about halfway to where I should be.

I spent my entire teen life, and a few years of my early 20s, in the grip of a

severe eating disorder. (I am now 45.) It was very liberating to stop dieting

and purging and binging and just let myself eat whatever I wanted.

Unfortunately, I learned that, at least for me, eating certain foods (sugar,

starches) simply creates a deranged appetite. The idea of " tuning into your

body " is a great one, but not if your body is being sent into the stratosphere

with biochemical timebombs like eating tons of carbs, not sleeping enough, too

much artificial light, and all the other things that screw up our endocrine

systems.

If your endocrine system is deranged, " listening to it " is just going to make

you crazy.

To an extent this is why the WD isn't for me.... part of it is just my personal

preference, as since switching to Atkins I have found that I love to eat a nice

big breakfast and I do best when I eat very little at night, and eat my biggest

meal at lunchtime. But it's also because I cannot eat carby foods any more than

an alcoholic can drink " one drink. " Once I start eating carbs, I'm no longer in

control of what I do. And unlike what Heidi has observed, I binge quite happily

in the absence of gluten, LOL.... potatos are one of my worst trigger foods.

Not that the WD " makes you " eat carbs, from what I can tell from this list, it

is actually much lower in carbs than the typical " low fat, high carb " crap

usually recommended for weight loss. But the way most people are doing this,

eating very little during the day and then a huge nighttime meal with carbs at

the end, is not something that would work for me personally. Three meals a day,

a big breakfast and a VERY big lunch and nothing much at dinner, with never

going more than six waking hours without eating a meal and eating less than 35

grams of carbs, not counting fiber, a day, is just what the doctor ordered *for

me*. I have no cravings, I never feel any twinges of compulsive eating other

than the day or so around getting my period (which just shows me even more

clearly it was all a matter of endocrine imbalance), the fat is just falling off

me, my blood sugar swings are a thing of the past, I have tons and tons of

energy, and amazingly, I have turned into a morning person. I'm generally in bed

now by 9 PM and up at 5 AM.... whereas in my previous carb-addict existence, I

rarely went to bed much before 1 AM (or much later) and rarely got up much

before noon. And I had absolutely no energy at all, and got most of my calories

from late afternoon until I went to bed. It was a complete recipe for disaster

for me.

I don't think that anyone who has not had an eating disorder, or been severely

obese, can really fully grasp how much I feel like someone has let me out of

prison. Well, not someone... Dr. Atkins. It might not be for everyone, I

understand that. But for me and many, many insulin resistant people just like

me, it is nothing short of a miracle. I don't know what else to call it. I

honestly thought so much of my eating and weight problems were emotional, but

they weren't. They were strictly biochemical (which does feel a LOT like

emotion, LOL!). Over 90 percent of my eating issues just evaporated when I cut

out the carbs. And do you want to know something scary? I had stopped eating

sugar years before! These carbs that were making me insane were risotto and

pasta and roasted potatos and sourdough toast! Hard to believe but when I added

up my daily intake of carbs, I stopped at 500 grams, I was so completely

horrified. It's not easy doing that without sugar, although a loaf of toast for

breakfast is a really good start.

I now get about 65-70 percent of calories from fat, 5 percent from low glycemic

carbs, mostly from veggies, and 25 percent from protein, pretty much evenly

spread throughout the day, although on bacon and egg mornings I have no veggies

at breakfast. Other mornings I make an omelette, veggies sauteed in raw grass

fed butter with pastured eggs and some raw cheese, plus hot tea or coffee with

raw grass fed cream in it.

Lunch is generally some kind of meat dish, chicken, steak, porkchops, turkey,

fish.... whatever. A big salad or some veggies such as broccoli, artichoke,

asparagus. I truly love to cook and very much enjoy developing recipes and

trying out lots of different ways to prepare my meals. I use all organic veggies

and grass fed meats and eggs, except when I eat out, which I don't do too often

as I live in the middle of nowhere.

Dinner is usually not that different from lunch, but just LESS. A lighter meal.

I don't snack much anymore as I've had a huge reduction in my appetite as I've

lost the weight (which does make sense), but I mostly snack on cheese, deviled

eggs, salami, pate, now and then some almonds or macademia nuts.

Although I don't pay much attention to calories, I basically eat 10-12 times my

body weight in calories, which is what Dr. Atkins recommends for weight loss. I

don't count them in advance, but I do use the website www.fitday.com to check my

ratios and it also calculates calories, and they are always right in that range.

So NOW my appetite is reliable and seems to be working as it should. But in the

past my " appestat was broken, " as Heidi says, and there was no way for me to eat

according to my desires or impulses or even my restrained observations combined

with knowledge. Nothing worked for me until I cut the carbs way low and upped

the fat way high.

Christie

[Guest guest]

That was an enlightening post for me Christie as I have spent almost four

years now trying to find my natural appetite too. Thanks for sharing your

experience.

Elaine

>

> I did this also, and my weight gain never did end.

[Guest guest]

> Really? From what I've read so far the protein recommendations are

> for lean protein

Not " lean " protein, *light* protein. He just means the amount. Keep

it under 4 oz. I usually eat two raw egg yolks at a time for snacks

during the undereating phase. Fat's better than protein, because,

like fasting, it would lead to fat-burning and raise ketosis levels.

while protein will affect insulin levels. However, adequate protein

during the day would support mental function, glucagon production,

and keep your amino levels stable if you exercise. I'd emphasize

coconut oil as a fat during the day, because you want to minimize

digestion.

Chris

[Guest guest]

> Fructose is absorbed differently ... mostly it's absorbed in the

stomach

> and goes straight to the liver, and in theory doesn't cause insulin

> surges (though diabetics still need extra insulin for fruit, so

danged

> if I know).

I don't see how this is possible, and I don't know whose " theory "

this is according to (if Ori says this, I think he's wrong), but

about 60% of fructose or so is converted to glucose, though over some

time. So certainly fructose would produce a dramatically lower

insulin surge than glucose, but not an insignificant or non-existant

one by any means.

I personally wouldn't have a problem eating bananas during the day,

but I definitely wouldn't eat a whole one at once. I'd personally,

if I were eating them, would use them about 1/4 at a time. Sometimes

I have orange juice, and use about 3 oz.

Chris