Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 I started taking a good quality fish oil about a week ago. Since then, I've had very loose bowel movements, and it's clear that I'm not digesting my food well. Of course, this could be unrelated to the fish oil, but has anyone else ever had this happen when they started taking fish oils? Interestingly, my boyfriend has had the opposite - his BMs appear to be much more healthy now. However that may be down to the zinc/glutamine supplements that I've been giving him since I read about pyroluria on here. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 From: " jopollack2001 " > I started taking a good quality fish oil about a week ago. Since > then, I've had very loose bowel movements, and it's clear that I'm > not digesting my food well. Of course, this could be unrelated to > the fish oil, but has anyone else ever had this happen when they > started taking fish oils? Hi, just a comment: Since learning some new things from Nurishing Traditions and The WAPF web site amoung other sources on the net I have been making an effort to eliminate the highly oxidative vegetable oils from my diet and increase my use of coconut oil and other healthy saturated fats. I have to wonder how healthful it is to use refined fish oils. Fish oils have the highest peroxidative index of any oil. Much higher than any of the vegetable oils. There is a good chart here: http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/OilAnalysis.gif Coconut oil has an oxidative value of 33 in this chart, soy 608, and fish oil 2173. Dr. Mercola recommends people taking fish oils to be sure to take lots of antioxidants like vitamen C. I wonder if it is wise to use it long term at all. Regards, Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 > There is a good chart here: > http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/OilAnalysis.gif > Coconut oil has an oxidative value of 33 in this chart, soy 608, and fish oil 2173. > > Dr. Mercola recommends people taking fish oils to be sure to take lots of antioxidants like vitamen C. > I wonder if it is wise to use it long term at all. Bruce Thanks for the info. The oil I take has anti-oxidants added, and it is not heated above 50deg in the refining process. I find very little benefit from taking VCO. I'm not sure why, and I seem to be alone in this! I have read fish oil has benefits beyond VCO - cures depression, moodiness, acne, scar tissue etc. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 Jo, what is the brand of fish oil you're taking? Thanks, Fern ----- Original Message ----- From: " jopollack2001 " > Bruce > Thanks for the info. > The oil I take has anti-oxidants added, and it is not heated above > 50deg in the refining process. > I find very little benefit from taking VCO. I'm not sure why, and I > seem to be alone in this! I have read fish oil has benefits beyond > VCO - cures depression, moodiness, acne, scar tissue etc. > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 --- In , " Fern " <readnwrite@f...> wrote: > Jo, what is the brand of fish oil you're taking? > > Thanks, > Fern > It's called MorEPA. It's a UK brand. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 Jo- >I find very little benefit from taking VCO. I'm not sure why, and I >seem to be alone in this! How much have you taken, and for how long a term? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 , are you familier with the blood type diet? Types A and O are to avoid coconut oil. Avoid does not mean to not ever eat but to eat sparingly as coconut oil will not act as a medicine food for you, it is not even going to act as a good food for you but act as a food that would do you harm. I only have the books on those 2 blood types. I don't know about the types B and AB. So what type are you? By posting this, I am not saying I agree with it but so far have found no reason to not agree with it. Most ppl don't want to believe this but it has certainly rung true for me. I was using a lot of coconut oil but now I am using flax and olive oils as they act as medicine for my blood type and I acturally am feeling better! If I know you though, you have read ALL the books and have already formed an opinion, LOL. Del > Jo- > > >I find very little benefit from taking VCO. I'm not sure why, and I > >seem to be alone in this! > > How much have you taken, and for how long a term? > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 > >I find very little benefit from taking VCO. I'm not sure why, and I > > >seem to be alone in this! > > > > How much have you taken, and for how long a term? > > I aim for 3tbspt per day - been doing this now for 2-3 months. I have to say I really don't like it very much, so it's hard to take. I have just started using it on my skin - I am experimenting using it on the right side of my face, my right arm, hand, and leg (with spot treatment of a touch of eczema on my left arm). The right side of my body has never been as dry and flaky as it is now! I will stick with it for a week or so to see if it improves, but beyond that, I'll have to go back to my old routine before I start getting flakes of skin visibly falling off my face (like is happening on my arm.) I've been using it on my lips too, and they are drier now than they were last week. When I first started using it, I did drop a couple of pounds in weight , so I thought it was the wonder food that everyone else made it out to be. Now I doubt it very much. I am blood type AB. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Jo- >I aim for 3tbspt per day - been doing this now for 2-3 months. I >have to say I really don't like it very much, so it's hard to take. Apologies if you've already mentioned this, but what brand and type are you using? Perhaps a better oil would be more tolerable, particularly if you integrated it into your cooking rather than taking it straight. 3T/d is unquestionably far too little for a lot of people. I've gotten benefits after consistently taking several times that much per day for awhile. Now that the weather's heating up, it's time to start again. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Del- >, are you familier with the blood type diet? Yes, I'm familiar with it, but I think it's a load of tainted manure. WAPF has a revealing review of D'Adamo's book online. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 >The right side of my >body has never been as dry and flaky as it is now! I will stick with >it for a week or so to see if it improves, but beyond that, I'll have >to go back to my old routine before I start getting flakes of skin >visibly falling off my face (like is happening on my arm.) I've been >using it on my lips too, and they are drier now than they were last >week. Someone had good results using Borage oil on eczema. Kefir helps a lot of skin conditions too. >When I first started using it, I did drop a couple of pounds in >weight , so I thought it was the wonder food that everyone else made >it out to be. Now I doubt it very much. Coconut oil has worked well for me on weight loss recently, combined with the WD and using it *instead of* animal fat for frying etc. I do watch total calories and types of foods though. The coconut oil candies are really good for " getting going " when my metabolism slows down or when I need energy for gardening. I never found that just taking extra coconut oil helped me lose weight though ... it's a tool, and a good one, but it's not a magic bullet (at least not for me). The concept that you can just take something *extra* and cure problems never seems to work! -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 , You answered exactly as I thought you would, LOL. I read what WAPF had to say and others and of course it was not positive reviews. I could not ignore that it was not good for me though. So I finally said what the heck, lets just experiment and try it! I could eat other fat with no problem! That still doesn't make sense to me. You may have read in another post where I do have a fat digestion problem so maybe when it is cured, I will be able to eat the VCO with no problem. So, why do you figure you are having a problem with VCO? Del > Del- > > >, are you familier with the blood type diet? > > Yes, I'm familiar with it, but I think it's a load of tainted manure. WAPF > has a revealing review of D'Adamo's book online. > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Apologies if you've already mentioned this, but what brand and type are you > using? I've tried garden of life, omega, and naturesecrets.com (virgin). Perhaps a better oil would be more tolerable, particularly if you > integrated it into your cooking rather than taking it straight. I don't take it straight, it makes me retch - I need to add it to things. Unfortunately, I think the smell of it when it's warmed up is just gross, and I don't like the sweet coconutty taste in my savoury dishes. Interestingly, I've hardly had any in a couple of days, and I have more energy than ever, and for hte first time in 2 weeks I've had solid BMs. One day last week I had a more VCO than usual on breakfast, and then added loads to my coconut chicken soup as well. I practically fell asleep in the afternoon. It's been ages since that happened to me. 3T/d is > unquestionably far too little for a lot of people. Really? That's the dosage I've seen recommended by many people, incl Bruce Fife. I've gotten benefits > after consistently taking several times that much per day for awhile. yuk! I don't know how you do it! Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Del- >So, >why do you figure you are having a problem with VCO? If I gave anyone the impression I have difficulty with coconut oil I apologize. I think it's a very valuable food. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Jo- >Interestingly, I've hardly had any in a couple of days, and I have >more energy than ever, and for hte first time in 2 weeks I've had >solid BMs. One day last week I had a more VCO than usual on >breakfast, and then added loads to my coconut chicken soup as well. >I practically fell asleep in the afternoon. It's been ages since >that happened to me. Well, it's probably not for everyone, but did you have substantially more fat than usual when that happened, or did you just replace your normal fats with CO? If more fat made you sleepy, it suggests that you have difficulty digesting fat. >Really? That's the dosage I've seen recommended by many people, incl >Bruce Fife. Well, that dosage does nothing for me, and I've heard from plenty of other people who needed lots more too. >yuk! I don't know how you do it! I love the flavor of coconut, so coconutty dishes are fine by me, and when need be I just train myself to drink it straight. I find it helps me tolerate the heat, so I'm probably going to try to start doing that again soon since warm days are miserable for me. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Sorry , I confused the post I saw. I thought it was you and it was Jo. My apologies, Del > Del- > > >So, > >why do you figure you are having a problem with VCO? > > If I gave anyone the impression I have difficulty with coconut oil I > apologize. I think it's a very valuable food. > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 > From: " jopollack2001 " > > > I started taking a good quality fish oil about a week ago. Since > > then, I've had very loose bowel movements, and it's clear that I'm > > not digesting my food well. Of course, this could be unrelated to > > the fish oil, but has anyone else ever had this happen when they > > started taking fish oils? It seems possible that an exaggerated intake of n-3s from fish oil in the context of a diet low in n-6s(basically one low in grains, eggs, and pufa veggie oils) could disable the immune system and contribute to gut problems in some people. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 > I aim for 3tbspt per day - been doing this now for 2-3 months. I > have to say I really don't like it very much, so it's hard to take. > > I have just started using it on my skin - I am experimenting using it > on the right side of my face, my right arm, hand, and leg (with spot > treatment of a touch of eczema on my left arm). Oh my God. You might want to cut your dosage by a factor of 10 or so. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 > Re: Side effects of Fish oils > > > >> From: " jopollack2001 " >> >> > I started taking a good quality fish oil about a week ago. Since >> > then, I've had very loose bowel movements, and it's clear that I'm >> > not digesting my food well. Of course, this could be unrelated to >> > the fish oil, but has anyone else ever had this happen when they >> > started taking fish oils? > >It seems possible that an exaggerated intake of n-3s from fish oil in >the context of a diet low in n-6s(basically one low in grains, eggs, >and pufa veggie oils) could disable the immune system and contribute >to gut problems in some people. > >Chris hmmmm....fish oil is *prescribed* for gut problems so it would probably have to be a *gross* imbalance for it to cause gut problems. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 > hmmmm....fish oil is *prescribed* for gut problems so it would probably have > to be a *gross* imbalance for it to cause gut problems. I don't think so-- just a significant one could cause *some* problems. I had thought Jo said she was taking 3 tbsp of fish oil, but later realized she must have meant coconut oil, though I didn't catch the sequence of dicussion that led there, and was confused by the fact that " fish oil " and not " coconut oil " was in the subject line. Certainly, 3 tbsp of fish oil on a low-grain diet would cause " gross imbalances, " but if n-6s are low enough i'd think a significant imbalance could be achieved with less than that for some people. I think different people have different degrees of hormonal conversion to dietary intake of the oils, so what's too much fish oil for one person might be just enough for another. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 > > > I aim for 3tbspt per day - been doing this now for 2-3 months. I > > have to say I really don't like it very much, so it's hard to take. > > > > I have just started using it on my skin - I am experimenting using > it > > on the right side of my face, my right arm, hand, and leg (with > spot > > treatment of a touch of eczema on my left arm). > > Oh my God. You might want to cut your dosage by a factor of 10 or so. > Really? I thought the recommended dose of VCO was 3tbsp per day? I use very little on my skin (or used, I've stopped it for now). JO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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