Help with *immunizations*, please?

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Hello.

I've been advised not to risk some possible serious harmful side effects of

immunizations for our 4 month old first daughter, from their mercury or other

preservative content.

Out of all the immunizations and shots our pediatrician is recommending, is

there any that are safe to administer?

We do plan to homeschool. I'm just wondering if it would be safe to have the

tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis shot given, or should would it be safe to try

to give her just a tetanus shot, with nothing else mixed in?

A strong, healthy immune system from a healthy WAPF principled diet should be

her best defense for the other 'normal child hood diseases', but I'm not sure in

the case of tetanus?

Thanks so much for any of your experiences or researched advice on this topic,

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There is a vaccinations group on with lots on info. I did the DPT and we

all got pertussis this winter. It was horrible. I believe we got it from my

daughters shot. As we never heard of any cases locally. My husband is still

coughing at 6 weeks. Then I found out what was in those shots and I said never

again. I thought I was smart waiting till she was 2. I am convinced there are

no good shots.

Amy Waters

Help with *immunizations*, please?

Hello.

I've been advised not to risk some possible serious harmful side effects of

immunizations for our 4 month old first daughter, from their mercury or other

preservative content.

Out of all the immunizations and shots our pediatrician is recommending, is

there any that are safe to administer?

We do plan to homeschool. I'm just wondering if it would be safe to have the

tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis shot given, or should would it be safe to try

to give her just a tetanus shot, with nothing else mixed in?

A strong, healthy immune system from a healthy WAPF principled diet should be

her best defense for the other 'normal child hood diseases', but I'm not sure in

the case of tetanus?

Thanks so much for any of your experiences or researched advice on this topic,

--

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i have to agree - don't vaccinate. i have lots of friends who have not

vaccinated their kids, and seeing them grow up healthy helped me have

confidence not to do so as well. i did a ton of research on it, thinking

i'd just get the ones that were really important, and i found there wasn't

one single one i wanted to let her have! amber turned one on saturday, and

she's never been sick a day in her life.

do your research by all means, but don't vaccinate. one other thing to

note, the laws are different in each state. in vermont, you can abstain for

philosophical reasons (you have three reasons here: philosophical,

religious, or medical), but if you do that, you have to abstain from ALL

vaccinations - if you want to " pick and choose " , you won't qualify to

abstain legally unless it's for medical reasons. your laws might be

different though, so just check it out. the bottom line is that they can't

force you to do it!

-katja

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Hi,

Anyone interested in the subject of vaccinations might look at a

recent book recommended by WAP. It is called, " The Truth About

Children's Health: The Comprehensive Guide to Understanding,

Preventing and Reversing Disease " ,by Bernardini, posted

02/25/04 on the WAP website. There is a review of it there.

All my best,

Sheila

> There is a vaccinations group on with lots on info. I did

the DPT and we all got pertussis this winter. It was horrible. I

believe we got it from my daughters shot. As we never heard of any

cases locally. My husband is still coughing at 6 weeks. Then I

found out what was in those shots and I said never again. I thought

I was smart waiting till she was 2. I am convinced there are no good

shots.

> Amy Waters

> Help with *immunizations*, please?

>

>

> Hello.

>

> I've been advised not to risk some possible serious harmful side

effects of immunizations for our 4 month old first daughter, from

their mercury or other preservative content.

>

> Out of all the immunizations and shots our pediatrician is

recommending, is there any that are safe to administer?

>

> We do plan to homeschool. I'm just wondering if it would be safe

to have the tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis shot given, or should

would it be safe to try to give her just a tetanus shot, with nothing

else mixed in?

>

> A strong, healthy immune system from a healthy WAPF principled

diet should be her best defense for the other 'normal child hood

diseases', but I'm not sure in the case of tetanus?

>

> Thanks so much for any of your experiences or researched advice

on this topic,

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My children (9, 7, and 2 yrs) are not vaccinated. It was hard at first, as

it went so against what was considered to be safe and in their best

interest, but I just could not see giving any of those shots before they

were 2. Not only is their immune system not ready, but their central

nervous system hasn't finished developing. By the time my first was two I

knew she wouldn't be getting them at all. I fully believe NOT getting the

vaccines is in their best interest, and that I am protecting their immune

systems.

Btw, they are *vaccines*. They do not come with any guarantees for

immunity. I encourage everyone to call them vaccines and not play into the

misinformation by calling them immunizations. : ) As I've said before on

this list, a friend here who used to run a daycare (and now runs a school)

required that she be informed whenever a child was vaccinated so the other

parents could be informed. After one child was vaccinated with MMR (if I

remember correctly), another daycare child came down with mumps. The father

was very angry as his child had been *immunized*. Nope. Not immunized.

Vaccinated. And my friend who used to run the daycare - never once did her

3 unvaccinated kids catch anything from the vaccinated kids. What an eye

opener!

But to answer your question - you have to research it yourself so you can

make an educated decision and be prepared to back it up. Nothing like being

in the emergency room with your child and having an angry head of pediatrics

(he was the on-call physician) in your face about not vaccinating, even

though your child is there for something that has nothing to do with

childhood diseases.

Rhea

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I have an article on my website about childhood immunizations. It includes links

to a website with state by state information on laws and exemptions, as well as

a recommendation for a book on childhood immunization that lays out each

vaccine, the risks and benefits, the likelihood of the disease, ages when it

might be safer to give the vaccines, etc.

This is the URL:

http://www.caberfeidh.com/NoShots.htm

Hope this helps!

Christie

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> A strong, healthy immune system from a healthy WAPF principled diet

should be her best defense for the other 'normal child hood diseases',

but I'm not sure in the case of tetanus?

Also, and it probably goes without saying, being breastfed has to have

some effect on immunity! Doctors often have no context for children

who are still breastfeeding at 2, 3, 4 (or older!). Whenever I see it

written that the human immune system is not completely developed until

age 6 or 7, I think of how many non-Western contries breastfeed their

children until about that age. Is this a coincidence?

I can recommend this book: The Vaccine Guide: Making an Informed

Choice by Randall Neustaedter.

With tetanus, you do have the opportunity to administer a vaccine

after possible exposure. (Tetanus Immuno-globulin, or, I think,

T.I.G.) The book goes into this a little bit, but you can find info

on the web about it.

My 5 year old daughter is unvaccinated, but I had a scare last summer

when she and I were at a farm and she stepped on a rusty nail (she was

really crying, so it definitely punctured into her skin-- going

through the sole of a rubber sandal first). We phoned the

naturopathic doctor who wrote this book for advice and he told me that

it is really very hard to get tetanus. My daughter was still

breastfeeding, and ate a relatively healthy diet, low in refined

foods. One doctor at a walk-in clinic was very scared and said to us

" you could lose her " although he admitted that he had only ever seen

one case of tetanus in his whole practice. We were basically prepared

to administer the TIG, mostly because of my husband's concerns, so he

went to the emergency room of the hospital with her... the

pediatrician there said " I wouldn't worry about it " and he cleaned the

wound well and sent us home. Everything was fine.

-Jana

[Guest guest]

also, in the case of tetanus, it's important to understand that tetanus is

everywhere. there's nothing inherent about rust that attracts it - it's

present on your countertops, just like everything else. the only way to get

tetanus infection is if you don't bother to clean out a big festering

wound. one of the things that makes me really mad about vaccinations!! they

totally blow the risk out of proportion!

from a cut on a farm you can worry about septicemia, but even that it

pretty hard to contract unless you cut yourself on a bit cow patty and then

refuse to wash it. ew.

-katja

At 03:29 PM 3/31/2004, you wrote:

>My 5 year old daughter is unvaccinated, but I had a scare last summer

>when she and I were at a farm and she stepped on a rusty nail (she was

>really crying, so it definitely punctured into her skin-- going

>through the sole of a rubber sandal first). We phoned the

>naturopathic doctor who wrote this book for advice and he told me that

>it is really very hard to get tetanus. My daughter was still

>breastfeeding, and ate a relatively healthy diet, low in refined

>foods. One doctor at a walk-in clinic was very scared and said to us

> " you could lose her " although he admitted that he had only ever seen

>one case of tetanus in his whole practice. We were basically prepared

>to administer the TIG, mostly because of my husband's concerns, so he

>went to the emergency room of the hospital with her... the

>pediatrician there said " I wouldn't worry about it " and he cleaned the

>wound well and sent us home. Everything was fine.

[Guest guest]

Also for Tetanus, wash out wounds with peroxide.

One doctor told me you can have a bad case of tetanus and get vaccinated. The

vaccination will still help you overcome the disease.

I thought Tetanus was more anaerobic and therefore lived in soils, that was why

the rusty nail scare the nail was probably buried in the soil and had tetanus,

not on open areas like countertops. I was also told that tetanus is hardly ever

heard of now because it was primarily carried through horses - they eat grasses

and spend time in soil, it would go through their system and come out through

the manure -as we do not use horses as our main form of transportation the

tetanus is not spread around as much any more. Most tetanus would only be found

on old farm sites where the soil had not been disturbed, and farms that still

have horses.

a

Re: Help with *immunizations*, please?

> A strong, healthy immune system from a healthy WAPF principled diet

should be her best defense for the other 'normal child hood diseases',

but I'm not sure in the case of tetanus?

Also, and it probably goes without saying, being breastfed has to have

some effect on immunity! Doctors often have no context for children

who are still breastfeeding at 2, 3, 4 (or older!). Whenever I see it

written that the human immune system is not completely developed until

age 6 or 7, I think of how many non-Western contries breastfeed their

children until about that age. Is this a coincidence?

I can recommend this book: The Vaccine Guide: Making an Informed

Choice by Randall Neustaedter.

With tetanus, you do have the opportunity to administer a vaccine

after possible exposure. (Tetanus Immuno-globulin, or, I think,

T.I.G.) The book goes into this a little bit, but you can find info

on the web about it.

My 5 year old daughter is unvaccinated, but I had a scare last summer

when she and I were at a farm and she stepped on a rusty nail (she was

really crying, so it definitely punctured into her skin-- going

through the sole of a rubber sandal first). We phoned the

naturopathic doctor who wrote this book for advice and he told me that

it is really very hard to get tetanus. My daughter was still

breastfeeding, and ate a relatively healthy diet, low in refined

foods. One doctor at a walk-in clinic was very scared and said to us

" you could lose her " although he admitted that he had only ever seen

one case of tetanus in his whole practice. We were basically prepared

to administer the TIG, mostly because of my husband's concerns, so he

went to the emergency room of the hospital with her... the

pediatrician there said " I wouldn't worry about it " and he cleaned the

wound well and sent us home. Everything was fine.

-Jana

[Guest guest]

>Also for Tetanus, wash out wounds with peroxide.

>

>One doctor told me you can have a bad case of tetanus and get vaccinated. The

vaccination will still help you overcome the disease.

The thing I'd worry about right now is the " super staph " infections

that are going around. It starts out looking like a bug bite, and

a friend of a friend just got out of the hospital after getting

surgery on her foot with it. Once it gets going it is *really* nasty.

Unlike tetanus, it isn't rare at all, and doesn't require a big cut

(the germ seems to attack people with no injuries at all).

However, they can be treated in the early stages with peroxide,

or tea tree oil, or antibiotic ointment (Neosporin works good).

Probably kefir or whey would work good too (I haven't done

a comparison).

Bottom line: you get a cut or infection, treat it! It will heal

faster too. I was fighting with the berry bushes and my

arms looked like I was in a catfight, and the scratches

healed in 2 days with the Neosporin treatment.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

I was concerned wtih this as well. I just took my daughter in for stitches on

her chin two weeks ago. I really hate bringing in an open wound to the hospital!

I used peroxide on it before going and after coming home.

a

Re: Re: Help with *immunizations*, please?

>Also for Tetanus, wash out wounds with peroxide.

>

>One doctor told me you can have a bad case of tetanus and get vaccinated. The

vaccination will still help you overcome the disease.

The thing I'd worry about right now is the " super staph " infections

that are going around. It starts out looking like a bug bite, and

a friend of a friend just got out of the hospital after getting

surgery on her foot with it. Once it gets going it is *really* nasty.

Unlike tetanus, it isn't rare at all, and doesn't require a big cut

(the germ seems to attack people with no injuries at all).

However, they can be treated in the early stages with peroxide,

or tea tree oil, or antibiotic ointment (Neosporin works good).

Probably kefir or whey would work good too (I haven't done

a comparison).

Bottom line: you get a cut or infection, treat it! It will heal

faster too. I was fighting with the berry bushes and my

arms looked like I was in a catfight, and the scratches

healed in 2 days with the Neosporin treatment.

-- Heidi Jean