Re: Mercury toxicity symptoms - Fern

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/symptoms.html

----------------------------

April 16, 2004

Sorry to take so long to get back to you Suze. Thanks for posting this. I'd

be curious what the psychological and emotional issues were that

Call mentioned.

This past Tuesday the pain/discomfort in my upper abdomen was not

improving, so I made an appointment with my doctor (a chiropractor who uses

applied kinesiology and CRA [Contact Reflect Analysis] to diagnose, and

uses structural adjustments, BRT [body Restoration Technique] and nutrition

[in the form of Standard Process, Thorne, and Biotics Research supplements]

to treat.

I also took along wheat flour, Reverse Osmosis water, tap water filtered

with a Brita pitcher filter, and kombucha for him to muscle test on me.

Very interestingly, the wheat was okay, the Brita water was okay, but the

RO water and the kombucha were NOT okay. He said that most of the people

who bring in RO water for him to test on them react to it (negatively). The

kombucha he said had a virus in it. I have a hunch mine got contaminated

when I started using honey. I have a scoby saved from before I started

using honey, so I'd like to make a batch with just sugar and tea and have

him test that on me.

Anyway, he said I have a poisoned stomach, most likely from either the

kombucha or the RO water or perhaps both. He put me on 15 Gastrex capsules

a day plus 21 Betafood tablets a day (both Standard Process products) for

10 days told me to go off all other supplements for the 10 days. Now 3 days

later my stomach is MUCH better and my constipation is gone. I truly feel

like I'm finally on the mend. After this 10 day regimen he wants to put me

back on Primal Defense.

I was surprised and very pleased to find out about the wheat. At one point

he had tested me for wheat and I tested negatively to it. But then he took

me through a series of BRT treatments, which is supposed to help with many

food allergies, and I'm thinking that likely cleared that problem for me.

Since my appointment this week I've eaten wheat products several different

times and pulse tested afterwards and was fine each time. Now I wonder what

my reaction was after having the communion wafer, but since I also have

blood sugar issues it may have been that (we use grape juice instead of

wine at our church) as I often get headaches when I get too much sugar. I

hadn't eaten a whole lot before the service, either, which would have

contributed to the blood sugar issues. I didn't pulse test afterwards; now

I wish I would have.

As far as the mercury, I had my doctor test for that also on Tuesday, and

he said I'm still clear of any mercury poisoning. Earlier (perhaps a year

or more ago?) I hadn't been, and that's when he checked my teeth,

pinpointed the one that was leaking, and told me I should have that filling

replaced. When I went to the dentist and had x-rays, sure enough that

filling had a crack in it and was deteriorating. My other fillings are fine

for now. After having the filling replaced he gave me a BRT treatment and

put me on a supplement (I can't recall now what it was) to detox from the

mercury and the other metals.

My doc had told me that the mercury (and some other heavy metal poisoning)

was causing my low adrenals, which in turn affected my thyroid, and was

also the cause of my headaches. My headaches are now few and far between

and not nearly as severe when I do get them (as opposed to debilitating

headaches several times a week) and my energy levels are improving. I

thought I'd have more problems with a drop in energy while off my adrenal

and thyroid supplements right now, but I'm doing pretty well which tells me

they are likely now kicking in and doing their jobs without the support.

It'll be interesting to see how they're doing after this 10 day regimen.

The more I go to this guy the more I'm convinced of the efficacy of his

methods ... with the CRA he is able to pinpoint not only the problem but

also the treatment that will best work with MY body. Sometimes he muscle

tests several different products that would treat the ailment but discovers

thru the CRA that it would not work for *me*, and he then proceeds to find

something that will.

Contrast that with going to an MD or even another type of alternative doc

who tries a " one size fits all " approach and has to guess at not only the

ailment but also the treatment.

Anyway, I didn't mean to write an epistle but if it can help someone else

on their journey to health, then it's served its purpose.

~ Fern

----- Original Message -----

From: " Suze Fisher "

> Oh joy, Fern. I was reading Hall Cutler's book last night on

Amalgam

> Illness and it listed all of the cluster of symptoms you and I share and

had

> been discussing a week or two ago. Among them are thyroid and adrenal

> problems, frequent urination, tingling in extremeities (I had this til

> recently), gut problems, yeast problems, cold hands and feet, night

sweats,

> sleep difficulties, becoming a " night owl " and many others that I have.

>

> As I was reading it I realized he was painting a picture of me. There are

a

> number of psychological and emotional issues that he discusses too, and

in

> total, I saw myself being described quite clearly. It's not to say that

> other root issues can't cause my specific cluster of symptoms, but this

is

> the first time I've seen *one* root problem that *could* explain my

health

> issues in their entirety. I think the book is online if you're

interested.

> It's called " Amalgam Illness: diagnosis and treatment " by Hall

> Cutler, PhD, PE.

April 16, 2004

--- In , " Fern " <readnwrite@f...>

wrote:

>>

> I also took along wheat flour, Reverse Osmosis water, tap water

filtered> with a Brita pitcher filter, and kombucha for him to

muscle test on me.

>

> Very interestingly, the wheat was okay, the Brita water was okay,

but the> RO water and the kombucha were NOT okay. He said that most

of the people> who bring in RO water for him to test on them react

to it (negatively).

fern, I'm a skeptic about applied kinesiology. I'd like to ask if

you or he has ever considered doing a double-blind test on these

samples. You could have several vials of each item to be tested. the

vials would be wrapped so that the contents or lables were not

visible. Then they could be numbered randomly. Then you could see if

you got the same response to the same food sample every time. I

don't know off-hand what the necessary number of repeat samples and

tests would be necessary to show a significant response; it might

take a number of tests on each numbered vial. Because there's some

normal variability in the test, and because you, and especially the

tester knows what the substance is, and what the previous response

to that vial was, I would think it would be very hard to be get

results that were both non-random and not influenced by your

expectations.

marty

April 16, 2004

> Re: Mercury toxicity symptoms - Fern

>

>Sorry to take so long to get back to you Suze. Thanks for posting this. I'd

>be curious what the psychological and emotional issues were that

>Call mentioned.

You name it...LOL! Here are a few links listing symptoms - including

pysch/emotional ones:

http://www.washingtonfreepress.org/53/MercuryinYourMouth.htm

Hall also mentioned procrastination, and said that mercury poisoned folks

really have a hard time getting anything done. Anxiety, depression and I

think anything having to do with serotonin are also problems of mercury

poisoned folks.

>

>This past Tuesday the pain/discomfort in my upper abdomen was not

>improving, so I made an appointment with my doctor (a chiropractor who uses

>applied kinesiology and CRA [Contact Reflect Analysis] to diagnose, and

>uses structural adjustments, BRT [body Restoration Technique] and nutrition

>[in the form of Standard Process, Thorne, and Biotics Research supplements]

>to treat.

>

>I also took along wheat flour, Reverse Osmosis water, tap water filtered

>with a Brita pitcher filter, and kombucha for him to muscle test on me.

>

>Very interestingly, the wheat was okay, the Brita water was okay, but the

>RO water and the kombucha were NOT okay. He said that most of the people

>who bring in RO water for him to test on them react to it (negatively).

I wonder why that is? I was drinking RO water up until about a month ago

when I bought a filter for my home.

>Anyway, he said I have a poisoned stomach, most likely from either the

>kombucha or the RO water or perhaps both. He put me on 15 Gastrex capsules

>a day plus 21 Betafood tablets a day (both Standard Process products) for

>10 days told me to go off all other supplements for the 10 days. Now 3 days

>later my stomach is MUCH better and my constipation is gone. I truly feel

>like I'm finally on the mend. After this 10 day regimen he wants to put me

>back on Primal Defense.

Wow! I'm so glad for you :-) I'm also envious! Nothing I've done to date has

made a whit of difference in my bloating.

>

>I was surprised and very pleased to find out about the wheat. At one point

>he had tested me for wheat and I tested negatively to it. But then he took

>me through a series of BRT treatments, which is supposed to help with many

>food allergies, and I'm thinking that likely cleared that problem for me.

>Since my appointment this week I've eaten wheat products several different

>times and pulse tested afterwards and was fine each time. Now I wonder what

>my reaction was after having the communion wafer, but since I also have

>blood sugar issues it may have been that (we use grape juice instead of

>wine at our church) as I often get headaches when I get too much sugar. I

>hadn't eaten a whole lot before the service, either, which would have

>contributed to the blood sugar issues. I didn't pulse test afterwards; now

>I wish I would have.

I dunno...I'd still be cautious with wheat...

>

>As far as the mercury, I had my doctor test for that also on Tuesday, and

>he said I'm still clear of any mercury poisoning. Earlier (perhaps a year

>or more ago?) I hadn't been, and that's when he checked my teeth,

>pinpointed the one that was leaking, and told me I should have that filling

>replaced. When I went to the dentist and had x-rays, sure enough that

>filling had a crack in it and was deteriorating. My other fillings are fine

>for now. After having the filling replaced he gave me a BRT treatment and

>put me on a supplement (I can't recall now what it was) to detox from the

>mercury and the other metals.

I honestly don't think ANY mercury filling is " fine " . They ALL leak mercury

quite regularly. I've seen figures for the average leakage on a site

recently but don't recall how much it was. But it was WAY above what the EPA

set as a " safe " amount. NO mercury in your mouth is safe, IMHO.

>Anyway, I didn't mean to write an epistle but if it can help someone else

>on their journey to health, then it's served its purpose.

>

>~ Fern

Heh, no that's fine. Thanks for the info. What works, works and I'm trying

to get a sense of what is working for other folks since nothing has worked

for me so far.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/symptoms.html

----------------------------

April 16, 2004

----- Original Message -----

From: " darkstardog "

> fern, I'm a skeptic about applied kinesiology. I'd like to ask if

> you or he has ever considered doing a double-blind test on these

> samples. You could have several vials of each item to be tested. the

> vials would be wrapped so that the contents or lables were not

> visible.

When testing a series of vials, He usually tries to test them without

either of us knowing what it is. Of course when testing a container of

milk, for instance, that's not possible.

I've been going to him for some time now, and the success of his treatments

have been proof enough for me. I first found out about him when I had

kidney stones and my GP's next step was to send me to the hospital for

expensive and invasive tests. Someone who attends my sister's church told

her that he had helped her with kidney stones, so I made an appointment. He

gave me a supplement to take and within days the pain was gone and I've had

no problems since.

This winter I took my mother to see him after taking her to her general

practitioner for a pain in her stomach. The GP poked around a bit and said

it could be this or this or this. Nothing more was said or done and she

went home with the pain very much still intact and with an increased

anxiety because of the possibilities he'd mentioned. When I took her to Dr.

Mac (my chiropractor), he narrowed it down to her small intestines

via muscle testing and then did a few adjustments. She immediately felt

much better and within a few days the pain was completely gone and hasn't

returned.

It's things like that that have happened over and over that have me

convinced. I'm not saying he's 100% right 100% of the time (what doctor

is?) but he's close enough for me. I also don't think that all applied

kinesiology practitioners are the same, by a long shot. But I have a lot of

confidence in the one I go to as a result of the positive outcomes I've

experienced personally and in those I've seen in my family (my parents and

sister go to him also).

~ Fern

April 16, 2004

Glad to hear you are doing so well Fern.

Did you guys know that I also am being treated by a Chiropractor that

does kinesiology and accupuncture and other things (I'm not sure what

all he does)? I have been going to him since the end of Jan. When I

saw him for the first time, I also took a cooler of food in him to

test,lol. That was fun. I think I have improved quite a bit. He says I

am about 85% cured. I also started out with bloated gut. Well, bloated

gut improved a lot when I went gluten free almost a year ago now

(thanks again to Heidi). But before I started with this chiropractor I

couldn't even eat the gluten-free products with out having some minor

problems.

Can you explain BRT? I dont know if I know what that is. It is

interesting to hear what different docs do.

Mine also wanted me to stop all supplements. I was only taking

cal/mag. He said why take it if I was not absorbing it. So he put me

on water oz cal/mag, says it goes right to my blood and by-passes my

digestion. I was having problems with cramping toes, feet and calfs

and that helped for a little bit, then the cramping came back and so

he added potassium and that seems to have stopped the cramps!

Back to the tummy. He started me on a chiropractic herbal product that

I at first took between meals. He said taking it that way it helped

inflamation. After about a month of that he tested me and said the

inflamation was gone and now I am taking the same product at the end

of meals and it acts as a food enzyme. I am also taking zypan(standard

process product) to heal the gut. I take that with meals. I really

feel soooo much better. No bloating no noise from the gut at all! I do

have a " catch " or something in my right side. It is painful sometimes

and goes around to my back and down my leg. He says that is caused by

my colon and to use it as a barometer for my body. When it starts

getting better that will be my clue that I am getting better. Well, it

is a lot better. I can no longer feel it all the time, just sometimes!

He also says all my problems are caused by the adrenals and pancreas

and everything we are doing is to correct that. Also he wanted me to

start using a rebounder to get the lymphatic system moving. I just got

that today.

I really liked hearing all that you are doing Fern. I told all in

hopes that it could help someone.

I am looking into mercury toxcity also. The nearest biological dentist

is a 5 hour drive away! I got rid of some of my silver filling last

year, but it doesn't count because a regular dentist did it. I called

a local dental lab to ask if he knew of any mercury free dentist

(didn't think he would know biological dentist) and he said that there

are none because they would lose their license if they did that. He

said that mercury was in the air and there is no way of getting away

from it. After reading the article you posted, Suze, I am thinking he

is right. How does any person escape it? I guess some ppl are more

problemed by it than others.

I have written a book and didn't mean too!

best wishes,

Del

>

> > Re: Mercury toxicity symptoms - Fern

> >

> >Sorry to take so long to get back to you Suze. Thanks for posting

this. I'd

> >be curious what the psychological and emotional issues were that

> >Call mentioned.

>

> You name it...LOL! Here are a few links listing symptoms - including

> pysch/emotional ones:

>

> http://www.washingtonfreepress.org/53/MercuryinYourMouth.htm

>

> Hall also mentioned procrastination, and said that mercury poisoned

folks

> really have a hard time getting anything done. Anxiety, depression and I

> think anything having to do with serotonin are also problems of mercury

> poisoned folks.

>

> >

> >This past Tuesday the pain/discomfort in my upper abdomen was not

> >improving, so I made an appointment with my doctor (a chiropractor

who uses

> >applied kinesiology and CRA [Contact Reflect Analysis] to diagnose, and

> >uses structural adjustments, BRT [body Restoration Technique] and

nutrition

> >[in the form of Standard Process, Thorne, and Biotics Research

supplements]

> >to treat.

> >

> >I also took along wheat flour, Reverse Osmosis water, tap water

filtered

> >with a Brita pitcher filter, and kombucha for him to muscle test on me.

> >

> >Very interestingly, the wheat was okay, the Brita water was okay,

but the

> >RO water and the kombucha were NOT okay. He said that most of the

people

> >who bring in RO water for him to test on them react to it (negatively).

>

> I wonder why that is? I was drinking RO water up until about a month ago

> when I bought a filter for my home.

>

> >Anyway, he said I have a poisoned stomach, most likely from either the

> >kombucha or the RO water or perhaps both. He put me on 15 Gastrex

capsules

> >a day plus 21 Betafood tablets a day (both Standard Process

products) for

> >10 days told me to go off all other supplements for the 10 days.

Now 3 days

> >later my stomach is MUCH better and my constipation is gone. I

truly feel

> >like I'm finally on the mend. After this 10 day regimen he wants to

put me

> >back on Primal Defense.

>

> Wow! I'm so glad for you :-) I'm also envious! Nothing I've done to

date has

> made a whit of difference in my bloating.

>

> >

> >I was surprised and very pleased to find out about the wheat. At

one point

> >he had tested me for wheat and I tested negatively to it. But then

he took

> >me through a series of BRT treatments, which is supposed to help

with many

> >food allergies, and I'm thinking that likely cleared that problem

for me.

> >Since my appointment this week I've eaten wheat products several

different

> >times and pulse tested afterwards and was fine each time. Now I

wonder what

> >my reaction was after having the communion wafer, but since I also have

> >blood sugar issues it may have been that (we use grape juice instead of

> >wine at our church) as I often get headaches when I get too much

sugar. I

> >hadn't eaten a whole lot before the service, either, which would have

> >contributed to the blood sugar issues. I didn't pulse test

afterwards; now

> >I wish I would have.

>

> I dunno...I'd still be cautious with wheat...

>

> >

> >As far as the mercury, I had my doctor test for that also on

Tuesday, and

> >he said I'm still clear of any mercury poisoning. Earlier (perhaps

a year

> >or more ago?) I hadn't been, and that's when he checked my teeth,

> >pinpointed the one that was leaking, and told me I should have that

filling

> >replaced. When I went to the dentist and had x-rays, sure enough that

> >filling had a crack in it and was deteriorating. My other fillings

are fine

> >for now. After having the filling replaced he gave me a BRT

treatment and

> >put me on a supplement (I can't recall now what it was) to detox

from the

> >mercury and the other metals.

>

> I honestly don't think ANY mercury filling is " fine " . They ALL leak

mercury

> quite regularly. I've seen figures for the average leakage on a site

> recently but don't recall how much it was. But it was WAY above what

the EPA

> set as a " safe " amount. NO mercury in your mouth is safe, IMHO.

>

> >Anyway, I didn't mean to write an epistle but if it can help

someone else

> >on their journey to health, then it's served its purpose.

> >

> >~ Fern

>

> Heh, no that's fine. Thanks for the info. What works, works and I'm

trying

> to get a sense of what is working for other folks since nothing has

worked

> for me so far.

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. "

--

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

April 16, 2004

----- Original Message -----

From: " Suze Fisher "

> You name it...LOL! Here are a few links listing symptoms - including

> pysch/emotional ones:

>

> http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/symptoms.html

> http://www.washingtonfreepress.org/53/MercuryinYourMouth.htm

The problem with these kinds of lists is that there are multiple conditions

which have very similar symptoms. I'm not doubting that all of the

conditions result in the listed symptoms, but when we use them to

self-diagnose, we can end up way off track or with only a secondary issue

rather than the root problem. They can certainly help to point us in

certain directions, but it's pretty tough to narrow down a condition based

on symptom lists alone.

> >I also took along wheat flour, Reverse Osmosis water, tap water filtered

> >with a Brita pitcher filter, and kombucha for him to muscle test on me.

> >

> >Very interestingly, the wheat was okay, the Brita water was okay, but

the

> >RO water and the kombucha were NOT okay. He said that most of the people

> >who bring in RO water for him to test on them react to it (negatively).

>

> I wonder why that is? I was drinking RO water up until about a month ago

> when I bought a filter for my home.

I'm not sure, though I think it has to do with the elimination of too many

elements from what is natural in water. I think it was Stanley on this

list who mentioned that RO water irritates his wife's GI tract. That made

me suspicious of RO since I'd started drinking it around the same time that

I started experiencing stomach pains. I hadn't made any connection before

that, assuming that RO was a good thing.

> >Anyway, he said I have a poisoned stomach, most likely from either the

> >kombucha or the RO water or perhaps both. He put me on 15 Gastrex

capsules

> >a day plus 21 Betafood tablets a day (both Standard Process products)

for

> >10 days told me to go off all other supplements for the 10 days. Now 3

days

> >later my stomach is MUCH better and my constipation is gone. I truly

feel

> >like I'm finally on the mend. After this 10 day regimen he wants to put

me

> >back on Primal Defense.

>

> Wow! I'm so glad for you :-) I'm also envious! Nothing I've done to date

has

> made a whit of difference in my bloating.

Hm. Would you consider going to an applied kinesiology practitioner? If you

have a good one in your area it may be worth a try. You can find one from

this site:

http://www.crahealth.org

I do think that getting your amalgam fillings replaced is a good idea. It

certainly can't hurt and has good chances of helping. At least you'll

eliminate that possibility AND the possibility of them causing problems in

the future.

> I dunno...I'd still be cautious with wheat...

I plan to be ... I've done without it so long and haven't really missed it.

But it will be nice to not have to be so cautious, especially when away

from home. But I also plan to keep an eye on any reactions that may crop up

when I do have some wheat.

> I honestly don't think ANY mercury filling is " fine " . They ALL leak

mercury

> quite regularly. I've seen figures for the average leakage on a site

> recently but don't recall how much it was. But it was WAY above what the

EPA

> set as a " safe " amount. NO mercury in your mouth is safe, IMHO.

Generally speaking, I agree. If I didn't have someone to muscle test me for

mercury toxicity, I'd pursue getting all my amalgam fillings out as soon as

possible. This is my thinking currently: our bodies can obviously

handle/detox a certain amount of mercury thrown at it, since we encounter

it in so many different things as that article that you'd posted recently

mentioned. Dr. Hal Huggins says that some people don't react to mercury,

while others do in varying degrees, some quite severely. I'm sure it's a

very individual thing how much mercury our bodies can handle and how they

react when they can't. I probably will eventually have all my amalgam

fillings replaced, as well as a root canal that I wish now I'd never had

done. It bugs me that it's in there.

I'm pretty certain that some of the issues I've had (low adrenals, low

thyroid, severe headaches, the wheat sensitivity, etc.) were a result of

mercury toxicity. But since that one filling was replaced and I've detoxed,

it seems those issues are getting better. Which makes me believe of course

that Dr. Mac is right. But I'll keep a close watch on symptoms and

certainly keep the rest of my fillings in mind.

I've been tracking my temps on a graph and looked back through them last

evening and noticed how over the last year my temps have very gradually

increased to the point now that they're *normal*. This is a very good sign

that my thyroid is well on the mend. Something's working at least.

> >Anyway, I didn't mean to write an epistle but if it can help someone

else

> >on their journey to health, then it's served its purpose.

>

> Heh, no that's fine. Thanks for the info. What works, works and I'm

trying

> to get a sense of what is working for other folks since nothing has

worked

> for me so far.

Well, we'll keep hoping and praying that you'll get to the bottom of yours

also. I have no idea whether I'm at the root of my issues, either, but

certainly some of them are heading in the right direction.

Hang in there, Suze. You'll find your answers sooner or later.

~ Fern

April 16, 2004

>Back to the tummy. He started me on a chiropractic herbal product that

>I at first took between meals. He said taking it that way it helped

>inflamation. After about a month of that he tested me and said the

>inflamation was gone and now I am taking the same product at the end

>of meals and it acts as a food enzyme.

Do you know what exactly that product was Delano? Was it some type of

enzyme? Wobenzyme perhaps?

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

>> http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/symptoms.html

----------------------------

>

April 16, 2004

> Re: Mercury toxicity symptoms - Fern

>

>----- Original Message -----

>From: " Suze Fisher "

>

>> You name it...LOL! Here are a few links listing symptoms - including

>> pysch/emotional ones:

>>

>> http://www.washingtonfreepress.org/53/MercuryinYourMouth.htm

>

>The problem with these kinds of lists is that there are multiple conditions

>which have very similar symptoms. I'm not doubting that all of the

>conditions result in the listed symptoms, but when we use them to

>self-diagnose, we can end up way off track or with only a secondary issue

>rather than the root problem. They can certainly help to point us in

>certain directions, but it's pretty tough to narrow down a condition based

>on symptom lists alone.

Oh, absolutely. I haven't been able to definitively narrow down the root

cause of my issues yet, but I'm very suspect of the mercury in my amalgams.

It's the first thing I've come across that explains *everything*. When I was

reading Hall Cutler's book it was a strange experience because it

felt (for the first time ever) that all the pieces of the puzzle were

falling into place. Having said that, I still don't know for sure that

mercury is the root cause of my problems, but I do know that I have a LOT of

mercury in my mouth, that's it's probalby outgassing dangers levels

regularly, and that removing them will probably be one of the best things I

can do for my health.

>

>> >Anyway, he said I have a poisoned stomach, most likely from either the

>> >kombucha or the RO water or perhaps both. He put me on 15 Gastrex

>capsules

>> >a day plus 21 Betafood tablets a day (both Standard Process products)

>for

>> >10 days told me to go off all other supplements for the 10 days. Now 3

>days

>> >later my stomach is MUCH better and my constipation is gone. I truly

>feel

>> >like I'm finally on the mend. After this 10 day regimen he wants to put

>me

>> >back on Primal Defense.

>>

>> Wow! I'm so glad for you :-) I'm also envious! Nothing I've done to date

>has

>> made a whit of difference in my bloating.

>

>Hm. Would you consider going to an applied kinesiology practitioner? If you

>have a good one in your area it may be worth a try. You can find one from

>this site:

>

>http://www.crahealth.org

If what I'm doing now, and the mercury removal doesn't help, then I'm open

to anything else that works. But none of the ones on that site are even

remotely close to me.

>

>> I honestly don't think ANY mercury filling is " fine " . They ALL leak

>mercury

>> quite regularly. I've seen figures for the average leakage on a site

>> recently but don't recall how much it was. But it was WAY above what the

>EPA

>> set as a " safe " amount. NO mercury in your mouth is safe, IMHO.

>

>Generally speaking, I agree. If I didn't have someone to muscle test me for

>mercury toxicity, I'd pursue getting all my amalgam fillings out as soon as

>possible. This is my thinking currently: our bodies can obviously

>handle/detox a certain amount of mercury thrown at it, since we encounter

>it in so many different things as that article that you'd posted recently

>mentioned. Dr. Hal Huggins says that some people don't react to mercury,

>while others do in varying degrees, some quite severely. I'm sure it's a

>very individual thing how much mercury our bodies can handle and how they

>react when they can't. I probably will eventually have all my amalgam

>fillings replaced, as well as a root canal that I wish now I'd never had

>done. It bugs me that it's in there.

Yeh, root canals are bad news too. I think *everyone* " reacts " to mercury -

it's an extermely toxic substance, period. BUT, some folks have the

necessary genetic material and raw materials from diet to deal with it more

effectively than others. There are various enzyme systems that detox

mercury, and not everyone has these systems performing the same as everyone

elses, that is what I think Huggins was talking about. In fact, some folks

have a defect in the detox enzyme system and someone on another list

recently posted that 1 in 5 have this defect. I tend to think that's mainly

an issue with SADers and offspring of SADers, which probably includes most

Americans.

>

>I'm pretty certain that some of the issues I've had (low adrenals, low

>thyroid, severe headaches, the wheat sensitivity, etc.) were a result of

>mercury toxicity. But since that one filling was replaced and I've detoxed,

>it seems those issues are getting better. Which makes me believe of course

>that Dr. Mac is right. But I'll keep a close watch on symptoms and

>certainly keep the rest of my fillings in mind.

From what I've read and heard, ( just mentioned this tonight) the

body deals with toxicity when it can. In the mercury lit, I believe I read

that you go through stages. You may feel GREAT when you first have amalgams

removed, but down the line you can actually get much worse. This seems to

happen to some folks who get their amalgams removed. Sorry, don't mean to

scare you, but it happens. I think it depends on your overall health at the

moment as opposed to the level of toxicity.

>

>I've been tracking my temps on a graph and looked back through them last

>evening and noticed how over the last year my temps have very gradually

>increased to the point now that they're *normal*. This is a very good sign

>that my thyroid is well on the mend. Something's working at least.

Hey, that is great!

>Well, we'll keep hoping and praying that you'll get to the bottom of yours

>also. I have no idea whether I'm at the root of my issues, either, but

>certainly some of them are heading in the right direction.

>

>Hang in there, Suze. You'll find your answers sooner or later.

>

>~ Fern

Thanks :-) I'm confident I'll get to the bottom of mine too. Just have to

keep trying til I find the right thing.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

----------------------------

April 16, 2004

It is called " Chiro-Zyme T10 to T11 KDY " . Ingredient listing is

Alfalfa, Rose Hips, Echinacea, Mullein, Ginger, and a proprietary

Plant Enzyme Blend of Protease, Cellulase and Lipase. It tells where

each is derived and it looks very good to me. " Other " ingredients is

Phytase and 100% Kosher Vegetarian capsule. There is one other thing

he is having me do (I forgot to say) and that is to drink ginger tea

made fron a piece of fresh ginger pressed in a garlic press in warm

water and leave to sit for 15 minutes before I drink, every day. I add

a few rose hip and peppermint tea leaves to it for a better taste.

Ginger is great for the digestion. It also has healing properties. I

just read a great article about it somewhere. I will try to find it

and post it.

I believe the most important supplement I am taking is the standard

process zypan. It heals the gut! You need to heal the gut first. I

don't know if when this is over I will be able to eat gluten or not

but I don't think I ever will eat gluten again even if he says I can!

Del

> >Back to the tummy. He started me on a chiropractic herbal product that

> >I at first took between meals. He said taking it that way it helped

> >inflamation. After about a month of that he tested me and said the

> >inflamation was gone and now I am taking the same product at the end

> >of meals and it acts as a food enzyme.

>

> Do you know what exactly that product was Delano? Was it some type of

> enzyme? Wobenzyme perhaps?

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. "

--

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

>

> >

April 17, 2004

----- Original Message -----

From: " Delano Eaton "

> Can you explain BRT? I dont know if I know what that is. It is

> interesting to hear what different docs do.

BRT is a treatment that uses accupuncture points to remove endocrine

disruptors in order to bring the body's hormonal system into balance. You

can read more about it here:

http://www.bodyrt.com/

> Back to the tummy. He started me on a chiropractic herbal product that

> I at first took between meals. He said taking it that way it helped

> inflamation. After about a month of that he tested me and said the

> inflamation was gone and now I am taking the same product at the end

> of meals and it acts as a food enzyme. I am also taking zypan(standard

> process product) to heal the gut. I take that with meals. I really

> feel soooo much better.

That's great, Del. I think Dr. Mac is planning on putting me on Zypan

once I'm done with this 10 day regimen of the Gastrex and Betafood. Each

day my stomach is feeling lots better ... I hardly notice the

pain/discomfort any more and my digestion is improving greatly. There for a

while it seemed like nothing was digesting very quickly or very well.

> No bloating no noise from the gut at all! I do

> have a " catch " or something in my right side. It is painful sometimes

> and goes around to my back and down my leg. He says that is caused by

> my colon and to use it as a barometer for my body. When it starts

> getting better that will be my clue that I am getting better. Well, it

> is a lot better. I can no longer feel it all the time, just sometimes!

I'm glad you're well on the mend. It's really interesting how many parts in

our bodies are connected to other seemingly unrelated parts ... but it

makes sense once you stop and think about it. It's great to have a doc who

recognizes that and knows the connection from one to the other. Dr.

Mac has told my mother that the trouble she has with her knees is

caused by her kidneys not functioning properly, so he's been working at

bringing them into better working order and her knees are a lot better.

> He also says all my problems are caused by the adrenals and pancreas

> and everything we are doing is to correct that. Also he wanted me to

> start using a rebounder to get the lymphatic system moving. I just got

> that today.

I've been using one for some time now and think it does help.

> I really liked hearing all that you are doing Fern. I told all in

> hopes that it could help someone.

Great ... I don't always know quite how much to share on a list like this,

but I realize how much help I've received from reading others' health

journeys.

> I am looking into mercury toxcity also. The nearest biological dentist

> is a 5 hour drive away! I got rid of some of my silver filling last

> year, but it doesn't count because a regular dentist did it. I called

> a local dental lab to ask if he knew of any mercury free dentist

> (didn't think he would know biological dentist) and he said that there

> are none because they would lose their license if they did that.

The whole state of the ADA is really sad. The ADA actually forbids dentists

from stating that mercury is harmful, and if they do they can lose their

license. Hal Huggins' book, It's All In Your Head, was very enlightening in

that respect. After reading it I had a very interesting conversation with a

local dentist who kept denying what I was saying while at the same time

kept asking me questions! I think he was fascinated and yet at the same

time has been told by the almighty ADA that mercury is safe. To even

consider that it isn't would turn his whole dentist world upside down!

> best wishes,

> Del

And to you, Del!

~ Fern

April 17, 2004

----- Original Message -----

From: " Suze Fisher "

> Oh, absolutely. I haven't been able to definitively narrow down the root

> cause of my issues yet, but I'm very suspect of the mercury in my

amalgams.

> It's the first thing I've come across that explains *everything*. When I

was

> reading Hall Cutler's book it was a strange experience because it

> felt (for the first time ever) that all the pieces of the puzzle were

> falling into place. Having said that, I still don't know for sure that

> mercury is the root cause of my problems, but I do know that I have a LOT

of

> mercury in my mouth, that's it's probalby outgassing dangers levels

> regularly, and that removing them will probably be one of the best things

I

> can do for my health.

It certainly won't hurt, unless of course you get someone to do it who

doesn't know what they're doing. Huggins discovered he didn't have

consistent success until he learned the correct order for removing the

fillings. I don't remember all the details, but if you have one of his

books you're probably aware of that also.

> >Hm. Would you consider going to an applied kinesiology practitioner? If

you

> >have a good one in your area it may be worth a try. You can find one

from

> >this site:

> >

> >http://www.crahealth.org

>

> If what I'm doing now, and the mercury removal doesn't help, then I'm

open

> to anything else that works. But none of the ones on that site are even

> remotely close to me.

CRA is only one form of muscle testing. There are others, though I'm not

familiar with them, nor do I know anything about the reliability of one

over another.

> >I'm pretty certain that some of the issues I've had (low adrenals, low

> >thyroid, severe headaches, the wheat sensitivity, etc.) were a result of

> >mercury toxicity. But since that one filling was replaced and I've

detoxed,

> >it seems those issues are getting better. Which makes me believe of

course

> >that Dr. Mac is right. But I'll keep a close watch on symptoms and

> >certainly keep the rest of my fillings in mind.

>

> >From what I've read and heard, ( just mentioned this tonight) the

> body deals with toxicity when it can. In the mercury lit, I believe I

read

> that you go through stages. You may feel GREAT when you first have

amalgams

> removed, but down the line you can actually get much worse. This seems to

> happen to some folks who get their amalgams removed. Sorry, don't mean to

> scare you, but it happens. I think it depends on your overall health at

the

> moment as opposed to the level of toxicity.

Actually, that did happen to me somewhat ... I had been having severe

headaches almost daily up to the day I had the filling removed, and then

the headaches stopped. But then after a bit they started coming back and

Dr. MacD tested me for mercury toxicity again, and that was clear, but did

discover toxicity of iron, nickel, and a few other metals. My glasses were

also testing weak on me (or rather I was testing weak with my glasses).

After following his protocol for removing those metals my headaches cleared

and my glasses are now okay also. Not sure where the toxicity came from

those other metals, but they seem to be clear now, thankfully. It's really

amazing how our bodies work and how one thing can affect something else so

much.

> Thanks :-) I'm confident I'll get to the bottom of mine too. Just have to

> keep trying til I find the right thing.

Right, it'll be interesting to see what finally clears the bloating for

you.

~ Fern

April 17, 2004

----- Original Message -----

From: " Delano Eaton "

> There is one other thing

> he is having me do (I forgot to say) and that is to drink ginger tea

> made fron a piece of fresh ginger pressed in a garlic press in warm

> water and leave to sit for 15 minutes before I drink, every day. I add

> a few rose hip and peppermint tea leaves to it for a better taste.

> Ginger is great for the digestion. It also has healing properties. I

> just read a great article about it somewhere. I will try to find it

> and post it.

I don't know why I didn't think of mentioning ginger tea earlier for Suze,

but that has helped my digestion at times also. The other thing is

chamomile

tea and also a little fennel. The last little while when I was feeling so

bloated and uncomfortable chamomile tea helped to relieve some of it. I'm

not sure that it gets to the root of the problem, but it is a natural way

to deal with some of the symptoms.

> I believe the most important supplement I am taking is the standard

> process zypan. It heals the gut! You need to heal the gut first. I

> don't know if when this is over I will be able to eat gluten or not

> but I don't think I ever will eat gluten again even if he says I can!

Gastrex (by Standard Process) also helps to heal the gut. In my case 3 a

day didn't seem to touch it, but the 15/day he has me on now sure seems to

be doing the trick. Along with 21 tablets of Betafood (which is basically

red beets and red beet greens!). I hadn't realized before that red beets

help with liver and gull bladder function.

According to Standard Process, " Betafood® consists of the water-soluble

portion of red beet leaves. Beets are a good source of betaine, a

substance recognized for its role in both liver and gall bladder health.

The betaine in Betafood® has been shown to be an effective lipotrophic

agent (fat emulsifier), promoting the transportation and use of fats.

Betaine helps support health liver and gall bladder function. "

~ Fern

April 18, 2004

> Re: Mercury toxicity symptoms - Fern

>

>----- Original Message -----

>From: " Suze Fisher "

>

>> Oh, absolutely. I haven't been able to definitively narrow down the root

>> cause of my issues yet, but I'm very suspect of the mercury in my

>amalgams.

>> It's the first thing I've come across that explains *everything*. When I

>was

>> reading Hall Cutler's book it was a strange experience because it

>> felt (for the first time ever) that all the pieces of the puzzle were

>> falling into place. Having said that, I still don't know for sure that

>> mercury is the root cause of my problems, but I do know that I have a LOT

>of

>> mercury in my mouth, that's it's probalby outgassing dangers levels

>> regularly, and that removing them will probably be one of the best things

>I

>> can do for my health.

>

>It certainly won't hurt, unless of course you get someone to do it who

>doesn't know what they're doing. Huggins discovered he didn't have

>consistent success until he learned the correct order for removing the

>fillings. I don't remember all the details, but if you have one of his

>books you're probably aware of that also.

I just got " It's All in Your Head " yesterday. I didn't notice if he

describes the recommended removal protocol, but I will check it out when I

read it tonight. Right now my goal is to find out what the recommended

protocol is and call my dentist and the other one in my area that

specializes in mercury amalgam removals and get all the details of their

protocols. I actually already did that with the other dentist (not mine) but

I want to ask again AFTER I'm familiar with what I SHOULD be looking for.

I also have " Uninformed Consent " by Huggins, and the Hall Cutler

book. I'm sure among them I should be abel to find the recommended protocol.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics