Conquering Yeast/ Gut Treatment in Germany

[Guest guest]

Dear listers,

I am currently attending a Heilprakterin School which has beena mind-boggling

experience. I say this because we are hearing about the other side of modern

medicine, something which is not altogether new for frequent visitors to these

lists. Heilprakterinen are subject to the same first State Exam in Germany as

medical doctors. Areas such as surgery and pharmaceutical know-how are not part

of the curricula ( for obvious reasons). We do however learn how to give

injections sub-cutaneous up to i.m. but tis is the extent of our invasive

medical treatment.

My daughter has improved dramatically over the years but there are some

glitches. Recently I decided that perhaps I should really try a GFCF diet as her

lab tests had indicated this. I had been loathe to do this as she is a picky

eater anyway and it would have been WW3 trying to get this up and running.

As Europe is full of neat and interesting sorts of health clinics, I cast my eye

around looking for a GFCF clinic just to try out a two week stint in an enclosed

space without the temptations to see if this would make a difference. Not

surprising, I couldn't find anything of a sort..Gluten free yes but not together

with cassein. I did find one clinic which came with wonderful recommendations

from a German lady I have befriended by email. Before I take that step however,

I will have to get a prescription from my doctor so that the health insurance

kicks in.

In the meantime, one of the teachers at my school introduced me to the idea of

Bach remedies, an area which I have not yet looked at but has since certainly

piqued my interest. The North American in me kept rebelling against soft

remedies thinking always you need toget the big guns out for big problems..not

always so. Homeopathy has taught me otherwise.

Dr. Bach was a microbiologist ( think he did surgery also) who worked in

a London hospital in the 1920s. He carried out tests on all stool sent to his

lab irregardless of the diagnosis. He observed a particular bacteria which was

elevated in all chronic illnesses. He developed the idea to isolate this

bacteria, develop a vaccine and administer it orally. I don't know the name of

this bacteria but it appears to be one that only Bach has isolated and not

recognised by mainstream labs ( I love these sorts of things..may be it's part

of the puzzle which is being kept from us!!!)

The interesting part of this is that a stool sample is taken and sent to a

SPECIAL BACH oriented lab. There seems to be a BIG difference with the

preparation of the sample and what is generally required for lab samples at labs

in the States.

First of all, the Bach expert pointed out that certain bacteria decompose on

exposure to air. This should come as no surprise to us! Therefore the lab sends

you a special tube with a special preservative with the purpose of maintaining

these sorts of bacteria.

Secondly and this certainly gave me much food for thought...I was told to give

my daughter 3 tablespoons of fruit vinegar ( OBSTESSIG) in a glass of lukewarm

water to drink the night BEFORE the stool sample was to be taken. The Bach lady

pointed out that yeast does not like an acid environment. Lactic acid does ie

Lactobacillus but not yeast. Apparently, the fruit vinegar renders the gut so

inhospitable that the yeast crawl out of the crevices into the main intestinal

column. She said that they literally swim out! At some time in the history of

the labs, they noticed they were not getting high amounts of the expected

yeats, so tried this out and presto..lots of yeast in the stool.

It has occured to me that fruit vinegar ( apple also) may be an idea to rid

your child of yeast WITHOUT the die-off. I believe those on SCD are not allowed

vinegar so they will have to take this into consideration.

For children and adults with extreme sensitivities, gut and otherwise, I would

caution you to use just a little fruit vinegar to make sure there is no horrible

reaction before going on to the Full Monty.

Anyway the treatment is not outrageouslessy expensive and is worth a try. I sent

in a sample last week and am waiting with baited breath.

I tried the fruit vinegar also just to give my daughter moral support. The next

day I was more alert and had more energy. I know a lot of Germans who use this

daily as part of a regime to lose weight.

I would love to hear back positive and negative from people who try the fruit

vinegar to rid yeast.

I ahve NO idea where you can find Bach labs in the States to carry out the above

test. Maybe someone based in the States can help. British and European residents

can avail themselves of the Bach lab in Berlin.

in Germany

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[Guest guest]

I use apple cider vinegar all the time on my son - for reflux, sleeplessness

and meltdowns. Maybe that's why he's never had big yeast problems.

Interesting. Thanks for the info on its effect on yeast.

I use 1/2 tsp in warm water with some honey. This is an old herbal remedy

to aid digestion. I don't know who used it first but all the herbal doctors

in the US used it too. They suggest a daily morning dose - also for weight

loss and as a digestive aid.

At some point I noticed that it more of less stops a meltdown in its tracks.

My son's meltdowns seem to be caused by consumption of too much bread. It

isn't the gluten as he can eat pasta all day with no problem. I suspected

the yeast in the bread as the problem but have never been sure. Even with

enzymes he cannot eat much bread.

Abby

[ ] Conquering Yeast/ Gut Treatment in Germany

Dear listers,

I am currently attending a Heilprakterin School which has beena

mind-boggling experience. I say this because we are hearing about the other

side of modern medicine, something which is not altogether new for frequent

visitors to these lists. Heilprakterinen are subject to the same first

State Exam in Germany as medical doctors. Areas such as surgery and

pharmaceutical know-how are not part of the curricula ( for obvious

reasons). We do however learn how to give injections sub-cutaneous up to

i.m. but tis is the extent of our invasive medical treatment.

My daughter has improved dramatically over the years but there are some

glitches. Recently I decided that perhaps I should really try a GFCF diet as

her lab tests had indicated this. I had been loathe to do this as she is a

picky eater anyway and it would have been WW3 trying to get this up and

running.

As Europe is full of neat and interesting sorts of health clinics, I cast

my eye around looking for a GFCF clinic just to try out a two week stint in

an enclosed space without the temptations to see if this would make a

difference. Not surprising, I couldn't find anything of a sort..Gluten free

yes but not together with cassein. I did find one clinic which came with

wonderful recommendations from a German lady I have befriended by email.

Before I take that step however, I will have to get a prescription from my

doctor so that the health insurance kicks in.

In the meantime, one of the teachers at my school introduced me to the

idea of Bach remedies, an area which I have not yet looked at but has since

certainly piqued my interest. The North American in me kept rebelling

against soft remedies thinking always you need toget the big guns out for

big problems..not always so. Homeopathy has taught me otherwise.

Dr. Bach was a microbiologist ( think he did surgery also) who

worked in a London hospital in the 1920s. He carried out tests on all stool

sent to his lab irregardless of the diagnosis. He observed a particular

bacteria which was elevated in all chronic illnesses. He developed the idea

to isolate this bacteria, develop a vaccine and administer it orally. I

don't know the name of this bacteria but it appears to be one that only Bach

has isolated and not recognised by mainstream labs ( I love these sorts of

things..may be it's part of the puzzle which is being kept from us!!!)

The interesting part of this is that a stool sample is taken and sent to a

SPECIAL BACH oriented lab. There seems to be a BIG difference with the

preparation of the sample and what is generally required for lab samples at

labs in the States.

First of all, the Bach expert pointed out that certain bacteria

decompose on exposure to air. This should come as no surprise to us!

Therefore the lab sends you a special tube with a special preservative with

the purpose of maintaining these sorts of bacteria.

Secondly and this certainly gave me much food for thought...I was told to

give my daughter 3 tablespoons of fruit vinegar ( OBSTESSIG) in a glass of

lukewarm water to drink the night BEFORE the stool sample was to be taken.

The Bach lady pointed out that yeast does not like an acid environment.

Lactic acid does ie Lactobacillus but not yeast. Apparently, the fruit

vinegar renders the gut so inhospitable that the yeast crawl out of the

crevices into the main intestinal column. She said that they literally swim

out! At some time in the history of the labs, they noticed they were not

getting high amounts of the expected yeats, so tried this out and

presto..lots of yeast in the stool.

It has occured to me that fruit vinegar ( apple also) may be an idea to

rid your child of yeast WITHOUT the die-off. I believe those on SCD are not

allowed vinegar so they will have to take this into consideration.

For children and adults with extreme sensitivities, gut and otherwise, I

would caution you to use just a little fruit vinegar to make sure there is

no horrible reaction before going on to the Full Monty.

Anyway the treatment is not outrageouslessy expensive and is worth a try.

I sent in a sample last week and am waiting with baited breath.

I tried the fruit vinegar also just to give my daughter moral support. The

next day I was more alert and had more energy. I know a lot of Germans who

use this daily as part of a regime to lose weight.

I would love to hear back positive and negative from people who try the

fruit vinegar to rid yeast.

I ahve NO idea where you can find Bach labs in the States to carry out the

above test. Maybe someone based in the States can help. British and European

residents can avail themselves of the Bach lab in Berlin.

in Germany

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Abby, This sounds very positive.

in Germany

[ ] Conquering Yeast/ Gut Treatment in Germany

>

>

> Dear listers,

>

> I am currently attending a Heilprakterin School which has beena

> mind-boggling experience. I say this because we are hearing about the

other

> side of modern medicine, something which is not altogether new for

frequent

> visitors to these lists. Heilprakterinen are subject to the same first

> State Exam in Germany as medical doctors. Areas such as surgery and

> pharmaceutical know-how are not part of the curricula ( for obvious

> reasons). We do however learn how to give injections sub-cutaneous up to

> i.m. but tis is the extent of our invasive medical treatment.

>

>

> My daughter has improved dramatically over the years but there are some

> glitches. Recently I decided that perhaps I should really try a GFCF diet

as

> her lab tests had indicated this. I had been loathe to do this as she is a

> picky eater anyway and it would have been WW3 trying to get this up and

> running.

>

> As Europe is full of neat and interesting sorts of health clinics, I

cast

> my eye around looking for a GFCF clinic just to try out a two week stint

in

> an enclosed space without the temptations to see if this would make a

> difference. Not surprising, I couldn't find anything of a sort..Gluten

free

> yes but not together with cassein. I did find one clinic which came with

> wonderful recommendations from a German lady I have befriended by email.

> Before I take that step however, I will have to get a prescription from my

> doctor so that the health insurance kicks in.

>

> In the meantime, one of the teachers at my school introduced me to the

> idea of Bach remedies, an area which I have not yet looked at but has

since

> certainly piqued my interest. The North American in me kept rebelling

> against soft remedies thinking always you need toget the big guns out for

> big problems..not always so. Homeopathy has taught me otherwise.

>

> Dr. Bach was a microbiologist ( think he did surgery also) who

> worked in a London hospital in the 1920s. He carried out tests on all

stool

> sent to his lab irregardless of the diagnosis. He observed a particular

> bacteria which was elevated in all chronic illnesses. He developed the

idea

> to isolate this bacteria, develop a vaccine and administer it orally. I

> don't know the name of this bacteria but it appears to be one that only

Bach

> has isolated and not recognised by mainstream labs ( I love these sorts of

> things..may be it's part of the puzzle which is being kept from us!!!)

>

> The interesting part of this is that a stool sample is taken and sent to

a

> SPECIAL BACH oriented lab. There seems to be a BIG difference with the

> preparation of the sample and what is generally required for lab samples

at

> labs in the States.

>

> First of all, the Bach expert pointed out that certain bacteria

> decompose on exposure to air. This should come as no surprise to us!

> Therefore the lab sends you a special tube with a special preservative

with

> the purpose of maintaining these sorts of bacteria.

>

> Secondly and this certainly gave me much food for thought...I was told

to

> give my daughter 3 tablespoons of fruit vinegar ( OBSTESSIG) in a glass of

> lukewarm water to drink the night BEFORE the stool sample was to be taken.

> The Bach lady pointed out that yeast does not like an acid environment.

> Lactic acid does ie Lactobacillus but not yeast. Apparently, the fruit

> vinegar renders the gut so inhospitable that the yeast crawl out of the

> crevices into the main intestinal column. She said that they literally

swim

> out! At some time in the history of the labs, they noticed they were not

> getting high amounts of the expected yeats, so tried this out and

> presto..lots of yeast in the stool.

>

> It has occured to me that fruit vinegar ( apple also) may be an idea to

> rid your child of yeast WITHOUT the die-off. I believe those on SCD are

not

> allowed vinegar so they will have to take this into consideration.

>

> For children and adults with extreme sensitivities, gut and otherwise, I

> would caution you to use just a little fruit vinegar to make sure there is

> no horrible reaction before going on to the Full Monty.

>

> Anyway the treatment is not outrageouslessy expensive and is worth a

try.

> I sent in a sample last week and am waiting with baited breath.

>

> I tried the fruit vinegar also just to give my daughter moral support.

The

> next day I was more alert and had more energy. I know a lot of Germans who

> use this daily as part of a regime to lose weight.

>

> I would love to hear back positive and negative from people who try the

> fruit vinegar to rid yeast.

>

> I ahve NO idea where you can find Bach labs in the States to carry out

the

> above test. Maybe someone based in the States can help. British and

European

> residents can avail themselves of the Bach lab in Berlin.

>

>

> in Germany

> -----

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>I really want to try this... do you think it would be ok to put this in

his juice in the am, or does it need to be taken all by itself? thanks for

this advice.

jenny

Hi

I'm not an expert on apple cider vinegar. Here is my thinking. If no else

responds I'll try to do some looking in some of my books.

I'm guessing you don't think you can get him to take it except in juice? It

really tastes fine in water with honey. Try it. You might be able to get

away with telling him it is juice. Just test it yourself as you don't want

it too strong. The recipe in my book says 1 tablespoon of apple cider

vinegar and 1 tablespoon of honey in 1 cup warm water 3 x a day for adults.

For my 6 year old, I usually put 1/2 tsp ACV and 1/2 to 1 tsp honey in 1/2

cup warm water. I just splash a small spot of ACV in the cup (note the

haphazard cook), add warm water and honey and taste. You just don't want

too much 'burn'. If you have to, start with even less vinegar and build up

over time.

I'm reluctant to tell you to give it in juice. I'm not a chemist so I'd

have to get comments from someone on whether it would reduce the effect. I

think it might.

I think that it will have more effect on yeast if the stomach is empty. I

do give to my son even after food if he is complaining about reflux or

having a bad (angry) day and it works. But I don't know how much it works

on yeast that way. I would suggest that you need to do a small amount 3x a

day to get it to produce a reduction in yeast. Like chelation agents, you

want to increase the stomach acid a bit so that the yeast have a hard time.

I'm not giving it for yeast specifically. I'm giving it to increase

digestion. My understanding was that digestion (certain enzymes?) work

better in a more acidic environment so I've always assumed that it helped

his digestion and reduced the discomfort etc... I'm new to the idea of an

effect on yeast. I just know that it works for my son.

Abby