Re: Garden of Life Primal Defense

[Guest guest]

According to Rubin ,the HSO's are very hardy and survive the acidity of the

stomach. I use a tsp. daily and love PD.

Elainie

BTW- many years ago (about 8) there was another company (MLM) selling soil

based organisms and I used those as well. Those were quite powerful and people

claimed to eliminate all sorts of parasites using those.

[Guest guest]

Although this is not what you are asking...

I would rather recommend Fungal Defense over Primal Defense if you

are combatting candida since Fungal Defense is specifically targeted

for candida (assuming your bloating is caused by candida and that's

why you are considering taking Primal Defense.) Fungal Defense is

also manufactured by Garden of Life.

And I would add fermented vegetables and/or kefir to the mix to

introduce more beneficial bacteria to the gut.

Ami

> Hi

> I know many members of this group believe Primal Defense is an

> excellent probiotic. I am concerned though that the good bacteria

> are killed off by stomach acid before they reach the intestines.

>

> I am currently bloated in the way I was last year, and as I get

> married 6 weeks and my dress is now too small, I need to do

something

> to lose ease the bloating before the wedding.

>

> I have had some success with Inner Garden Flora, which is in a

> capsule format which protects it from stomach acid. I am unsure

> which one to try, or whether I should even try both (although 1

pot

> of each will come to around $100!!!)

>

> Thanks

>

> Jo

[Guest guest]

You could take mega doses. I decided to stop taking Primal Defense because i

felt like nothing was happening. So last night I took 7 to finish off my

bottle and get it over with. This morning I felt like i had my bowels

flushed with a fire hose, but in a good way.

Elaine

> I know many members of this group believe Primal Defense is an

> excellent probiotic. I am concerned though that the good bacteria

> are killed off by stomach acid before they reach the intestines.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " amiinmv " <amiinmv@h...>

wrote:

> Although this is not what you are asking...

>

> I would rather recommend Fungal Defense over Primal Defense if you

> are combatting candida since Fungal Defense is specifically

targeted

> for candida (assuming your bloating is caused by candida and that's

> why you are considering taking Primal Defense.) Fungal Defense is

> also manufactured by Garden of Life.

>

> And I would add fermented vegetables and/or kefir to the mix to

> introduce more beneficial bacteria to the gut.

>

Thanks Ami

I already eat fermented veg daily (although I'm about to run out!

Will have to go a week without, but I will continue drinking kombucha)

I can't tolerate kefir unfortunately.

I'm not exactly sure what I'm combatting - I've not been diagnosed

with a candida overgrowth, and Primal Defense appears to have more

benefits beyond just reducing candida, which Fungal Defense doesn't

have.

Jo

[Guest guest]

From: " jopollack2001 "

<snip>

> I have had some success with Inner Garden Flora, which is in a

> capsule format which protects it from stomach acid. I am unsure

> which one to try, or whether I should even try both (although 1 pot

> of each will come to around $100!!!)

Hi Jo, The best way to promote the establishment of favorible gut flora I

understand to be supplimentation with a prebiotic such as

inulin, not to take probiotics. Apparently even the most well formulated

probiotic can be just a waste of money if the food for the

bacteria to grow isn't there, which for the most part it is not with our modern

diet.

These links might be of interest:

candidiasis/message/26777

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_review.html

Regards, Bruce

[Guest guest]

Interesting info.

http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/conspiracy/conspiracy.html

Chris

>

> Hi Jo, The best way to promote the establishment of favorible gut flora I

understand to be supplimentation with a prebiotic such as

> inulin, not to take probiotics. Apparently even the most well formulated

probiotic can be just a waste of money if the food for the

> bacteria to grow isn't there, which for the most part it is not with our

modern diet.

>

> These links might be of interest:

> candidiasis/message/26777

> http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_review.html

>

> Regards, Bruce

>

[Guest guest]

Bruce-

>The best way to promote the establishment of favorible gut flora I

>understand to be supplimentation with a prebiotic such as

>inulin, not to take probiotics.

This is a giant steaming pile of garbage, and Duncan Crow sells inulin, so

what do you expect him to say?

-

[Guest guest]

Re: Garden of Life Primal Defense

> Bruce-

>

> >The best way to promote the establishment of favorible gut flora I

> >understand to be supplimentation with a prebiotic such as

> >inulin, not to take probiotics.

>

> This is a giant steaming pile of garbage, and Duncan Crow sells inulin, so

> what do you expect him to say?

Pleasant image.

Interesting , ...I happen to agree with his understanding of the subject.

There is a lot of credible science that points to inulins efficacy.

If you like science I guess, some people don't.

Regards, Bruce

[Guest guest]

wrote:

This is a giant steaming pile of garbage, and Duncan Crow sells inulin, so

what do you expect him to say?

,

Please tell more. . .I have heard him talking about this on another list. I

know nothing about it except that it is suppose to be from artichokes. Can you

tell more?

Sheryl

Sheryl Illustrations

http://dovedesignsrus.com

[Guest guest]

Bruce-

>Interesting , ...I happen to agree with his understanding of the subject.

>There is a lot of credible science that points to inulins efficacy.

>If you like science I guess, some people don't.

Clever, insinuating that any disagreement must result from a dislike of

science. I'm in no mood to brook guff like that.

But let's consider some of Duncan's claims, since that troll has indirectly

raised his head here.

First, he says (as many inulin advocates/pushers do) that inulin is a

valuable prebiotic, fertilizing desirable strains of beneficial organisms

in the intestinal tract, particularly in the large intestine, and that

inulin CANNOT fertilize undesirables. This is false on not one but two

grounds. First, inulin has been PROVEN to fertilize several undesirable

organisms, like klebsiella. In fact, klebsiella thrives on inulin

substantially more than the bifido bacteria Duncan et al tout as some of

the compound's prime beneficiaries. Second, inulin is a carbohydrate. It

is illogical to suppose that bacteria will starve rather than make a few

modest adaptations to utilize an available food source, particularly when

the necessary enzymes are already available in the overall microbe community.

Second, Duncan also likes to claim that inulin is a vital dietary component

that modern devitalized foods don't contain, or at least don't contain in

sufficient quantity, but again, while his pitch may sound good, it doesn't

hold up to the facts. Inulin is present in relatively few foods in any

meaningful quantity, Jerusalem artichokes being the prime example. In

order to sell a lot of inulin, he claims we need a lot of it in our diet,

and the " best " way he says to get it is to buy a highly refined white

powder from him. This white powder pushing doesn't square with a mythical

past in which all humans ate abundantly of inulin-rich foods any more than

it squares with Price's work, which clearly demonstrates that inulin was in

no way, shape or form necessary for human health.

Third, actual human experience suggests that refined inulin is actually

harmful, not helpful. Duncan persuaded a number of people on another

mailing list to try his inulin, and EVERY SINGLE PERSON who reported trying

it reported suffering pain and blood in their stools until awhile after

they stopped taking it. THERE WERE NO EXCEPTIONS. This is hardly a

scientific study, but it's highly suggestive, and is IMO a warning that

should not be ignored.

Fourth and finally, the actual science is not very scientific. Duncan was

fond of citing " references " which were really just indiscriminate pages of

search results from PubMed, but even more to the point, inulin (and FOS)

scientists actually tout FLATULENCE as a POSITIVE MEASURE OF BOWEL

HEALTH. IOW, in their book, the more you fart the better off you are, and

as inulin causes flatulence, it must therefore be good for you. He also

maintained that an acidic colon (attainable, of course, only via inulin

consumption) is the only way to absorb dietary calcium, which is a complete

crock. Adequate stomach acid and sufficient vitamin D are the prime

requisites for calcium absorption, and that absorption takes place in the

small intestine. If you'd like, I can dig up the rather extensive post I

wrote on the subject on that other list.

In short, I STRONGLY advise people to avoid inulin (and FOS).

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[Guest guest]

>First, inulin has been PROVEN to fertilize several undesirable

>organisms, like klebsiella. In fact, klebsiella thrives on inulin

>substantially more than the bifido bacteria Duncan et al tout as some of

>the compound's prime beneficiaries. Second, inulin is a carbohydrate. It

>is illogical to suppose that bacteria will starve rather than make a few

>modest adaptations to utilize an available food source, particularly when

>the necessary enzymes are already available in the overall microbe community.

I second this. One notable thing about growing bacteria .. most of them

grow on a Petri dish. You take a Petri dish, swab it with something, and

bacteria grow. Now Petri dishes mostly have agar on them ... and it seems

you can grow just about any bacteria on them, if you put them in an

incubator at about body temperature. I think bacteria aren't very picky

about what they eat. They seem more constrained by stuff

like temperature, PH, osmotic pressure (salt/sugar), oxygen content,

competing bacteria/yeast, and chemicals that inhibit their development.

Klebsella seems to grow in lungs also, not just the gut, so it isn't

necessarily dependant on a big carb supply?

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

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>If you'd like, I can dig up the rather extensive post I

> wrote on the subject on that other list.

>

Certainly, please do.

You can send it to me privately if you like.

I am interested in the subject of bowel health.

Regards, Bruce