Re: OT or better: OL (off language) :)

[Guest guest]

,

bin total froh, dass es auch in Deutschland Leute gibt, die NT kennen

Vielleicht koennen wir uns ja ein paar Tips geben, besonders was

Hersteller angeht. Man kann ja schlecht alles aus den Staaten

importieren.

Bis bald Anja

> Hallo Anja,

> Ich bin in der nähe von Köln!

> =

> > Viele Gruesse aus Emden

> > Anja

[Guest guest]

Don't buy that chocolate (Trumpf Schogetten) and think that's good

german chocolate. It's cheap (and if you pay so much to have it

shipped overseas, at least get some real chocolate) and doesn't melt

in your mouth. Buy Milka or if you're really rich buy Lindt (that's

something you'd get for Christmas). Don't buy Sarotti for the same

reason. Toffifee is really good and Merci (rather have the

assortment than those new Merci pur.

Now you got me started so I'll stop myself now and if you need any

more advise on what's good, feel free to ask me (private mail is ok

and will probably be faster, as it takes me a while to sort through my

digest...)

CU Anja

> glucklichewise koennen wir aber aus deustchland importieren -

> http://www.germandeli.com/

> leider, importieren sie kein herringssalat!

> -katja

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure what JFK *wanted* to say when he said that. It would mean

I'm a jelly doughnut as well as I'm from Berlin (or I live in Berlin).

If he said that in Berlin, my guess would be that he wanted to express

how much he liked it there. (around Berlin, jelly doughnuts aren't

called Berliner, but Pfannkuchen (which means pancakes for " normal "

Germans ).

Same with Hamburg

CU Anja

> Oh, yas, I know. JFK said it all those years ago and didn't know he

> was saying " I am a jelly doughnut! " Ich bin ein jelly doughnut! is a

> phrase we use at our house to mean, I am an incredibly pompous goof!

> Not that JFK was an incredibly pompous goof per se...

> Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

Well, you need to consider this (the sentence) didn't come from a

native speaker (pronouncing the " ich " as " ik " which is typical and

always sounds so cute ).

The " ein " can also " emphazise " (something like that, don't know any

grammar ). I could say Ich bin Emderin (but don't *consider* myself

" Emderin " (was born here and have been living in the city for about

3-4 years during my life), so I would say Ich wohne in Emden).

What you can definitely say is if he said Ich bin Berliner, it would

be certain, that he meant that he comes from (lives in) Berlin

If a female person said such a thing, it would be clear, because she'd

either say Ich bin ein Berliner (jelly doughnut) or Ich bin (eine)

Berlinerin (come from/live in Berlin).

But about your families jokes, why would he say I'm a jelly doughnut?

It was during a speech, so it was official, wasn't it? So, my guess

would be that he wanted to express he felt with the people of Berlin.

CU Anja

> My understanding is that " Ich bin ein Berliner " means " I am a jelly

donut " , whereas " Ich bin Berliner " means " I'm a person from (or living

in) Berlin.

> Adding the " ein " makes all the difference in the meaning of the

sentence, or so I've been told. My German's awfull rusty, but I

thought I recall that the grammatical rule calls for removing the

" ein " (or " eine " ) when identifying where you are from? I'm sure the

native speakers will correct me if I'm wrong.

> Suze Fisher (Ich bin ein kase kuchen)

[Guest guest]

Nah, a jelly doughnut IS called a Berliner. I'm not from Berlin and

don't know if they call pancakes Berliner..but everybody in Germany

understands the joke side of JFK's expression " Ich bin ein Berliner " .

I'm from North Germany, Oldenburg.

--- In , Lynn Siprelle <lynn@s...>

wrote:

> > I'm not sure what JFK *wanted* to say when he said that. It would

mean

> > I'm a jelly doughnut as well as I'm from Berlin (or I live in

Berlin).

> > If he said that in Berlin, my guess would be that he wanted to

express

> > how much he liked it there. (around Berlin, jelly doughnuts aren't

> > called Berliner, but Pfannkuchen (which means pancakes

for " normal "

> > Germans ).

> > Same with Hamburg

>

> I am glad to hear that my president did not inadvertently humiliate

> himself 40+ years ago. Because strange to say I have heard

jokes

> about it to this day. (The context: It was during the Cold War and

he

> was expressing solidarity with the rather embattled folks of West

> Berlin.)

>

> Lynn S.

>

> ------

> Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> Editor/Publisher, The New Homemaker

> http://www.thenewhomemaker.com/

> Celebrating 5 Years of Homemaker and Caregiver Support: 1999-2004

[Guest guest]

oohps..all the Germans here already gave the best

explanations...sorry;o) Sure happy to find out there are so many

Germans on this list:o))

> >But about your families jokes, why would he say I'm a jelly

doughnut?

> >It was during a speech, so it was official, wasn't it? So, my guess

> >would be that he wanted to express he felt with the people of

Berlin.

> >CU Anja

>

> see, anja, that's the funny thing. every german i ever discussed

this with

> said exactly that: " what does it matter, we knew what he meant! "

and every

> american has made fun of it.

>

> -katja

[Guest guest]

Well, everyone makes fun of his own president (except for Bush, who

*everyone* is laughing about

CU Anja

> see, anja, that's the funny thing. every german i ever discussed

this with said exactly that: " what does it matter, we knew what he

meant! " and every american has made fun of it.

> -katja

[Guest guest]

(2 hours from me ),

I didn't say they call pancakes Berliner, but they call Berliner

Pfannkuchen. No idea what they call Pfannkuchen.

CU Anja

> Nah, a jelly doughnut IS called a Berliner. I'm not from Berlin and

> don't know if they call pancakes Berliner..but everybody in Germany

> understands the joke side of JFK's expression " Ich bin ein Berliner " .

> I'm from North Germany, Oldenburg.

>

[Guest guest]

Reasonable enough

CU Anja

> >Well, everyone makes fun of his own president (except for Bush, who

> >*everyone* is laughing about

> >CU Anja

>

> not everyone, anja.

> some of us are crying.

> -katja