Re: Another q to nursing moms.

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In a message dated 4/6/2004 5:33:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, deb@...

writes:

>

> Not being a mom myself, I don't know if it is normal for an 11mo to

> be waking at night still. My feeling is that if she starts eating

> nutrient dense food, and puts some weight on, the quality of her

> milk will improve and he won't need to feed through the night.

>

> What do all you moms think?

Mine all nursed through the night (except in the early months when they slept

through) despite eating nutirent dense foods.

Elainie

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All babies are different. My 2 yo still nurses 2-3X a night.

Amy Waters

GA

Another q to nursing moms.

Thanks to everybody for the responses to my first question.

Same mom - her boy is 11 months. She says " Bodhi is supposedly on

solids as well as breast milk, however for about a month he has been

eating next to nothing and drinking more and more breast milk. He

wakes in the night for feeding, (which he has always done) but

lately I suspect that is maybe partly hunger, partly habit and

partly comfort. "

Not being a mom myself, I don't know if it is normal for an 11mo to

be waking at night still. My feeling is that if she starts eating

nutrient dense food, and puts some weight on, the quality of her

milk will improve and he won't need to feed through the night.

What do all you moms think?

thanks alot, deb

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well, amber's a year old and she still nurses at least 3-5 times a night.

she does eat food, but not enough to be really *eating* *food*. she eats

lots of fat, some meat, kefir, and veggies, and no grains at all. this kid

is probably eating all grains and glutenous baby food (almost all babyfood

has wheat flour added!! even the veggies!!) which is hurting him, not

helping him.

a second thing - amber started eating for a while and then stopped for

quite a while - didn't want any food at all. nothing. a while later she

decided food would be fun again. but even now that she eats " reliably " ,

from day to day her solid food intake just varies. some days it's not what

her body wants. no big deal. i just let her direct what's going on - i put

only things in her view that are good for her to eat and let her decide.

when she lunges for the butter, ya know, i take that as a sign. other

days she turns her nose up after one bite and goes straight for the boobie.

hey, some days i'm not hungry/sleepy/happy/etc, either.

so what i'm saying is:

1. the mom needs to make radical serious changes and get her food intake in

order if she wants her boobs to be worth a lick.

2. the kid probably is not getting what he needs, and likely is getting

some harmful stuff too.

3. don't panic. kids? they're tougher than you think. take it from heidi

(who i believe recently handed me the same advice). so don't focus so much

on one day to the next - just look at the bigger picture.

-katja

At 01:37 AM 4/6/2004, you wrote:

>Thanks to everybody for the responses to my first question.

>

>Same mom - her boy is 11 months. She says " Bodhi is supposedly on

>solids as well as breast milk, however for about a month he has been

>eating next to nothing and drinking more and more breast milk. He

>wakes in the night for feeding, (which he has always done) but

>lately I suspect that is maybe partly hunger, partly habit and

>partly comfort. "

>

>Not being a mom myself, I don't know if it is normal for an 11mo to

>be waking at night still. My feeling is that if she starts eating

>nutrient dense food, and puts some weight on, the quality of her

>milk will improve and he won't need to feed through the night.

>

>What do all you moms think?

>

>thanks alot, deb

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Hi!

My 3 year old is finally weaned. She slowed down on nursing, eating

solid foods and growing at about 12 months when I thought she was

trying to wean herslef. I was just beat from not sleeping thru the

night and about to have her little brother. I think I was lamost dry

but lo and behold I " freshened " and nursed both until recently.

My son is off the growth charts on height, weight and strength from a

diet of breast milk and meat (every 3 days he eats cartilage first).

Main point-every breast feeding mom wishes their child would sleep

thru the night at 12 months. When they have to nurse all night, in my

experience, they're growing rapidly or teething. Since the last set

of molars comes in 2 1/2 roughly, I feel my role as a human pacifier

and food plate ends comfortably after. Guess what...that seems to be

the traditional duration of this intimate sharing.

Here's to the most native nutrition of all!

Meg

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>> Not being a mom myself, I don't know if it is normal for an 11mo to

be waking at night still.

It depends on so many things, not just quality of milk. If mom is gone or

busy during the day, night nursing can be baby's " reconnect " time. If baby

is newly mobile, everything during the day is just TOO interesting to stop

and nurse well, so night nursing is the main mealtime. And, yes, it can be

just habit too - but I think it's pretty normal and healthy. In many women,

night nursing is the key to continued breastfeeding infertility; that is,

once baby is night-weaned, mom gets her periods back, so it is nature's way

of spacing babies. Night-weaning has been followed by return of my cycles

with all of my children so far.

http://ccli.org/breastfeed/index.shtml for more info; FYI this is an

unabashedly Catholic site but is far and away the best source for this

information.

~ Carma ~

mom to Noa 8.5 yog ~ Colter 6 yob ~ r 2.5 yob ~ Mica 8 mog ~ wife 18.5

yrs to Russ

God has given you all you need to train and educate your children at home -

it's in real books and real life. ~ Clay son

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In a message dated 4/6/2004 8:05:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

>

> Oh boy, I'm pretty sure that if I had to wake up 3-5 during the night - it

> would do me in. I feel AWFUL if I don't get an uninterrupted full night's

> sleep and I just drag about the next day. How on earth do nursing moms

> handle this??? I'm hoping that my adrenals will get better and hopefully

> that will help some when I do get around to having a baby. But I still can't

> imagine going for a year or more waking up 3-5 times during the night :-(

You don't really wake up fully, baby/toddler is sleeping right next to you

and latches onto the boob.It's only exhausting if you have to physically get up

out of the bed (I'm a zombie if I have to get up and check for my kitties at

the door) but am not tired nursing a baby/toddler in my bed.

Elainie

>

>

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In a message dated 4/6/2004 9:24:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

>

> Um, so no night sex with babies sucking all night then, huh? :-( Or do folks

> just move them off to a crib for an hour or so? This is directed to the

> mom's in general - not just you if you don't feel inclined to ask such a

> personal question.

There are other places LOL, my last three children were conceived in the

closet in the daytime LOL!

Elainie

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> Re: Another q to nursing moms.

>

>

>well, amber's a year old and she still nurses at least 3-5 times a night.

Oh boy, I'm pretty sure that if I had to wake up 3-5 during the night - it

would do me in. I feel AWFUL if I don't get an uninterrupted full night's

sleep and I just drag about the next day. How on earth do nursing moms

handle this??? I'm hoping that my adrenals will get better and hopefully

that will help some when I do get around to having a baby. But I still can't

imagine going for a year or more waking up 3-5 times during the night :-(

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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Night nursing is easy. She sleeps in the bed with us. When she wants to nurse

she just roles over and latches on. Most times I don't really even wake up.

Amy Waters

Re: Another q to nursing moms.

>

>

>well, amber's a year old and she still nurses at least 3-5 times a night.

Oh boy, I'm pretty sure that if I had to wake up 3-5 during the night - it

would do me in. I feel AWFUL if I don't get an uninterrupted full night's

sleep and I just drag about the next day. How on earth do nursing moms

handle this??? I'm hoping that my adrenals will get better and hopefully

that will help some when I do get around to having a baby. But I still can't

imagine going for a year or more waking up 3-5 times during the night :-(

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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>> But I still can't imagine going for a year or more waking up 3-5 times

during the night :-(

If you had told me before kids, I would have said the same thing. Here I am,

9 years later, with not a break in the nursing - and I tandem nursed the

older two, and now the younger two as well. Really, it's not that bad. You

get into a rhythm with the baby, she stirs a bit, you roll over and pop it

in her mouth, and then you both drift back to sleep without ever really

waking up. I've woken up to find that I had obviously nursed the baby

sometime in the night, with zero recollection of it. :-)

~ Carma ~

mom to Noa 8.5 yog ~ Colter 6 yob ~ r 2.5 yob ~ Mica 8 mog ~ wife 18.5

yrs to Russ

God has given you all you need to train and educate your children at home -

it's in real books and real life. ~ Clay son

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My thoughts too, and that was going to be my next q to the moms.

How DO you cope? Do you have naps during the day? do meditation? or

anything?

thanks again, deb

> Oh boy, I'm pretty sure that if I had to wake up 3-5 during the

night - it would do me in. I feel AWFUL if I don't get an

uninterrupted full night's > sleep and I just drag about the next

day. How on earth do nursing moms > handle this??? I'm hoping that

my adrenals will get better and hopefully > that will help some when

I do get around to having a baby. But I still can't imagine going

for a year or more waking up 3-5 times during the night :-(

[Guest guest]

> My thoughts too, and that was going to be my next q to the moms.

>

> How DO you cope? Do you have naps during the day? do meditation? or

> anything?

>

Naps! Naps! Theirs and mine!

-, a very sleepy pregnant mother

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> RE: Another q to nursing moms.

>

>

> >> But I still can't imagine going for a year or more waking up 3-5 times

>during the night :-(

>

>If you had told me before kids, I would have said the same thing.

>Here I am,

>9 years later, with not a break in the nursing - and I tandem nursed the

>older two, and now the younger two as well. Really, it's not that bad. You

>get into a rhythm with the baby, she stirs a bit, you roll over and pop it

>in her mouth, and then you both drift back to sleep without ever really

>waking up. I've woken up to find that I had obviously nursed the baby

>sometime in the night, with zero recollection of it. :-)

Thanks Carma - that sounds doable! Funny, after I wrote that post I thought,

well maybe I could just fall asleep with my breast in my baby's mouth and

then she could suck whenever she got hungry and I wouldn't really have to

wake up. LOL!

Um, so no night sex with babies sucking all night then, huh? :-( Or do folks

just move them off to a crib for an hour or so? This is directed to the

mom's in general - not just you if you don't feel inclined to ask such a

personal question.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

>> Um, so no night sex with babies sucking all night then, huh? :-( Or do

folks just move them off to a crib for an hour or so? This is directed to

the mom's in general - not just you if you don't feel inclined to ask such a

personal question.

There are other places besides the bed ... ;-) But if you really prefer the

bed, well, babies sleep like ... umm, well, babies! And if they're going to

wake up they make noise (mine all make noise *before* they wake up) and it's

dark anyway ... and honestly, it's just not as big a deal as people make it

out to be, just wait until they're good and asleep!

~ Carma ~

mom to Noa 8.5 yog ~ Colter 6 yob ~ r 2.5 yob ~ Mica 8 mog ~ wife 18.5

yrs to Russ

God has given you all you need to train and educate your children at home -

it's in real books and real life. ~ Clay son

[Guest guest]

It's weird but you just get used to it and accept it as normal. We are truly

adaptable creatures. I have been woken up three to five times a night for

four years now. I always roll my eyes at all-night sleepers who complain

about a bad night. I have to say though, on the rare occasion i get six or

so hours in a row of sleep, i wake up totally freaked out -- like i've woken

up on another planet. It is such an unusual feeling.

Elaine

> Oh boy, I'm pretty sure that if I had to wake up 3-5 during the night - it

> would do me in. I feel AWFUL if I don't get an uninterrupted full night's

> sleep and I just drag about the next day. How on earth do nursing moms

> handle this??? I'm hoping that my adrenals will get better and hopefully

> that will help some when I do get around to having a baby. But I still can't

> imagine going for a year or more waking up 3-5 times during the night :-(

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In a message dated 4/7/04 11:32:06 AM, s.fisher22@... writes:

>

>

> Don't you think it's time you came out of the closet, Elainie?

>

ROTFL!!!!!!!

Elainie

>

>

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At 08:08 PM 4/6/2004, you wrote:

>Oh boy, I'm pretty sure that if I had to wake up 3-5 during the night - it

>would do me in. I feel AWFUL if I don't get an uninterrupted full night's

>sleep and I just drag about the next day. How on earth do nursing moms

>handle this??? I'm hoping that my adrenals will get better and hopefully

>that will help some when I do get around to having a baby. But I still can't

>imagine going for a year or more waking up 3-5 times during the night :-(

hahahahahasuze!

i am also a real bear without my sleep. but we family bed, so amber's right

there. when she wants to nurse, she takes care of it. generally i wake

enough to be aware that she's nursing, but not enough to really disturb my

sleep. sure, it's true that we don't get as much sleep as we did when we

were single, but it's not like we're really getting up at all.

also, when you're a mama, somehow, from somewhere, you get this nifty

infusion of being able to bear things you never thought you'd ever be able

to manage...

-katja

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> Re: Another q to nursing moms.

>

>

>In a message dated 4/6/2004 9:24:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>s.fisher22@... writes:

>

>>

>> Um, so no night sex with babies sucking all night then, huh? :-(

>Or do folks

>> just move them off to a crib for an hour or so? This is directed to the

>> mom's in general - not just you if you don't feel inclined to ask such a

>> personal question.

>

>

>There are other places LOL, my last three children were conceived in the

>closet in the daytime LOL!

>

Don't you think it's time you came out of the closet, Elainie?

;-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

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In a message dated 4/7/04 4:17:10 PM, readnwrite@... writes:

>

> For someone with low adrenals or thyroid, though, every bit of sleep

> counts. I would've once been like you, Elaine, but now without my

> supplements for adrenals and thyroid I'm a whipped puppy if I don't get a

> lot of sleep.

>

I have low thyroid and adrenal problems too.

Wanna know what helps? Working out and not eating grains/sugars.

My recovery from birth this time was a breeze I'm convinced because of that.

I wasn't tired in the least bit and never take naps. Of course it helps that

my baby is very easy and sleeps well.

Elainie

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Elaine "

> It's weird but you just get used to it and accept it as normal. We are

truly

> adaptable creatures. I have been woken up three to five times a night for

> four years now. I always roll my eyes at all-night sleepers who complain

> about a bad night.

For someone with low adrenals or thyroid, though, every bit of sleep

counts. I would've once been like you, Elaine, but now without my

supplements for adrenals and thyroid I'm a whipped puppy if I don't get a

lot of sleep.

I don't think there's any mistake in our Creator's design that women in

their late teens/early 20s are more fertile than later on, as obviously a

younger woman has more of the drive and energy to wake multiple times

through the night and chase after active toddlers all day long, plus all

the many other responsibilities a wife and mother has.

Not to say that an " older " woman can't make a wonderful mom ... in fact my

own mother had me in her late 30s and I know without a doubt I benefited

from her maturity.

~ Fern

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> Re: Another q to nursing moms.

>

>

>----- Original Message -----

>From: " Elaine "

>

>> It's weird but you just get used to it and accept it as normal. We are

>truly

>> adaptable creatures. I have been woken up three to five times a night for

>> four years now. I always roll my eyes at all-night sleepers who complain

>> about a bad night.

>

>For someone with low adrenals or thyroid, though, every bit of sleep

>counts. I would've once been like you, Elaine, but now without my

>supplements for adrenals and thyroid I'm a whipped puppy if I don't get a

>lot of sleep.

>

>I don't think there's any mistake in our Creator's design that women in

>their late teens/early 20s are more fertile than later on, as obviously a

>younger woman has more of the drive and energy to wake multiple times

>through the night and chase after active toddlers all day long, plus all

>the many other responsibilities a wife and mother has.

Hmmm....good point. I'm turning 41 next week and have both adrenal and

thyroid issues. But do hope to get pregnant in the next few years. Which is

one reason I'm working on these issues now!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

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>obviously a

> younger woman has more of the drive and energy to wake multiple times

> through the night and chase after active toddlers all day long, plus all

> the many other responsibilities a wife and mother has.

LOL, I'm 37! Thing with kids is you don't get a choice so you just do what

you gotta do. The upshot is constantly struggling against exhaustion is what

led to my changing to healthier eating habits and lifestyle. I am all about

energy these days, and a few drastic changes has allowed me to function just

fine in a constant, somewhat sleep-deprived state (with catching up every

four days or so). Unlike the other moms, I am fully awake during night

nursings although we cosleep too. I think i just have very sensitive, um,

skin.

Elaine

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>I have low thyroid and adrenal problems too.

>Wanna know what helps? Working out and not eating grains/sugars.

>My recovery from birth this time was a breeze I'm convinced because of that.

>I wasn't tired in the least bit and never take naps. Of course it helps that

>my baby is very easy and sleeps well.

>

>Elainie

I'm not nursing now, but ...

my hands used to be cold all the time, and I was very tired.

Really low metabolism. A few things seem to have made all

the difference:

1. Avoid allergens. When I eat something I react to, I get cold

immediately and I'm wiped out the next day. Some kind of hormone

reaction, cortisol probably.

2. Eat coconut oil! Or even straight MCT ... I snack on coconut oil

candies during the day, one or two, which keeps the old metabolislm

cranking.

3. Lower carbs, more protien. Protein meals increase your metabolism

by 30% or so after a meal.

4. The Warrior Diet, if you can swing it. Digesting all that food all day

long takes energy! When you eat a meal, much of your blood flow

goes to your gut, instead of your brain and extremities ... so it makes

sense to eat when you can relax (at night).

5. Vitamin B. I tend to be low on them, for some reason, even

with all the meat I eat. They really give you energy.

-- Heidi Jean

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BFing is for feeding and comfort and a whole of other things. My daughter

turned two in January and she still nurses through the night. Sometimes

just once or twice other times 5 or more times. Sometimes I swear she never

lets go It just depends on what stresses, teething, growing etc she is

dealing with.

>but

>lately I suspect that is maybe partly hunger, partly habit and

>partly comfort. "

>Not being a mom myself, I don't know if it is normal for an 11mo to

>be waking at night still. My feeling is that if she starts eating

>nutrient dense food, and puts some weight on, the quality of her

>milk will improve and he won't need to feed through the night.

What do all you moms think?

thanks alot, deb

[Guest guest]

>BFing is for feeding and comfort and a whole of other things. My daughter

turned two in January and she still nurses through the night. Sometimes

just once or twice other times 5 or more times. Sometimes I swear she never

lets go It just depends on what stresses, teething, growing etc she is

dealing with.<

I have a 2 1/2 year old who still nurses at night. I agree, it's about a

whole lot of things. Teething, stresses, comfort, good food... And even

though our diet is good, I still don't think there will ever be meal in my

child's life that provides the perfect nutritional package that breastmilk

does. My other two nursed during the night for a long time too. It just is

what it is. Not everything is a symptom of something being wrong.

Sometimes it's because it's so very right.

Rhea