Re: Question for Heidi and others

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure if i have celiac (I've read Dangerous Grains several years ago

and other books) but was wondering what are some less common symptoms of GI. I

seem to react to all grains gluten or not

(extreme nausea to the point of vomiting, constipation , rash, eczema etc..)

Elainie

[Guest guest]

I was reacting to all grains too, even when on a gluten-free diet.

Have you read " Breaking The Vicious Cycle " by Elaine Gottschall?

She has not only a way to heal the gut, but also delicious recipes

to use while doing it (breads, muffins, etc using nut flours - we

are enjoying really tasty gluten-free baked goods for the first

time).

Ann

> I'm not sure if i have celiac (I've read Dangerous Grains several

years ago

> and other books) but was wondering what are some less common

symptoms of GI. I

> seem to react to all grains gluten or not

> (extreme nausea to the point of vomiting, constipation , rash,

eczema etc..)

>

> Elainie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>I'm not sure if i have celiac (I've read Dangerous Grains several years ago

>and other books) but was wondering what are some less common symptoms of GI. I

>seem to react to all grains gluten or not

>(extreme nausea to the point of vomiting, constipation , rash, eczema etc..)

>

>Elainie

There really isn't a set of definitive symptoms for celiac ...

2/3 of the people diagnosed don't have any symptoms. But the

ones you mentioned are commone with gluten sensitive people.

Gluten sensitivity is just one IgA reaction that has been studied

a lot, but you can have an IgA reaction to corn, yeast, eggs,

and probably loads of other things they haven't gotten around

to studying yet.

OTOH most grains tend to be gluten-contaminated ... all oats

grown in the US, for instance, test positive for gliadin, even

though oats don't have any. Corn tends to be contaminated (it's

processed in the same facilities as wheat, and stored in the same

silos) and enriched rice has wheat-based vitamins in it or sometimes

wheat starch as a flow agent. Bulk grains from the HF store are generally

stored in bins that had flour at one point, plus the scoopers get mixed,

and all grains/flours from Jaffe are packaged on the same machine.

However, I also think that grains are just darn hard on

people, esp. since they are usually in baked goods (finely

ground). The fact they are so finely ground can make bacteria

go nuts.

But if you react to, say corn on the cob, but not to

a baked potato, then you are probably just allergic to corn, I'd

say. It's not very unusual for a person to be allergic to all grains,

and soy and eggs, in the celiac group. I'm not sure why that is:

some researchers thing the other allergies are " secondary " and

are the result of leaky gut (and may go away at some point), whereas

the gliadin reaction seems to be rather genetic. I do find

my gut likes greens, potatoes and meat the best though, grains just are

not good people food IMO (tho I'm not above a good brownie on occasion).

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/17/04 5:39:34 PM, heidis@... writes:

>

> But if you react to, say corn on the cob, but not to

> a baked potato, then you are probably just allergic to corn, I'd

> say. It's not very unusual for a person to be allergic to all grains,

> and soy and eggs, in the celiac group. I'm not sure why that is:

> some researchers thing the other allergies are " secondary " and

> are the result of leaky gut (and may go away at some point), whereas

> the gliadin reaction seems to be rather genetic. I do find

> my gut likes greens, potatoes and meat the best though, grains just are

> not good people food IMO (tho I'm not above a good brownie on occasion).

>

Yeah, I think I do have celiac for sure. I want to thank you because it's

been an 18 year old mystery now solved!

Elainie

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/17/04 7:56:23 PM, wanitawa@... writes:

>

> Was the nausea immediate, Elainie? Pretty sure that's IgA. Heidi correct me

> if not. Even though I never linked it one of the symptoms that went away

> with me going gf was nausea on empty stomach with morning hunger especially.

> Believe the delayed reactions are IgG if I understand that correctly.

> Constipation definitely decreased, some of it nervous, travel related. Gum

> sores I've had for years that no sugar didn't help went away in a week.

> Never had exterior rashes. Eczema twice, nearly 20 years ago below elbows.

> Has recurred since going gf nearly gone with spring coming.

> http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C340881.html lists autoimmune thyroid

> you mentioned in conditions that suggest celiac.

>

> Wanita

>

>

Thanks for that link Wanita, I'm off to check it out! Yes, nausea is

immediate. Now I can't even look at a picture of grain as it triggers nausea.

How

funny is that? Just the thought of it blech.

I've been grain free for some times but cheat sometimes ( On non gluten

grains) and the nausea returns. No more cheating fore me, It's just not worth

it.

Elainie

[Guest guest]

> I'm not sure if i have celiac (I've read Dangerous Grains several years

ago

> and other books) but was wondering what are some less common symptoms of

GI. I

> seem to react to all grains gluten or not

> (extreme nausea to the point of vomiting, constipation , rash, eczema

etc..)

>

> Elainie

Was the nausea immediate, Elainie? Pretty sure that's IgA. Heidi correct me

if not. Even though I never linked it one of the symptoms that went away

with me going gf was nausea on empty stomach with morning hunger especially.

Believe the delayed reactions are IgG if I understand that correctly.

Constipation definitely decreased, some of it nervous, travel related. Gum

sores I've had for years that no sugar didn't help went away in a week.

Never had exterior rashes. Eczema twice, nearly 20 years ago below elbows.

Has recurred since going gf nearly gone with spring coming.

http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C340881.html lists autoimmune thyroid

you mentioned in conditions that suggest celiac.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

>Was the nausea immediate, Elainie? Pretty sure that's IgA. Heidi correct me

>if not. Even though I never linked it one of the symptoms that went away

>with me going gf was nausea on empty stomach with morning hunger especially.

>Believe the delayed reactions are IgG if I understand that correctly.

IgG and IgA reactions are pretty similar ... well, there isn't that much

data because they've been studying IgG reactions a lot longer, and

IgA mostly only in relation to celiac. Both of them are " delayed food

reactions " ... usually they happen sometime between half an hour

and 2 DAYS after the food is eaten. A lot of the IgA symptoms aren't

really from the reaction, they are from autoimmune antibodies that

are triggered secondarily or from nutrient malabsorption.

I had nausea forever ... it started with " morning sickness " and never

really went away even after the baby. But it wasn't worse after

I ate, actually eating seemed to make it better.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/18/04 12:01:52 AM, heidis@... writes:

>

> IgG and IgA reactions are pretty similar ... well, there isn't that much

> data because they've been studying IgG reactions a lot longer, and

> IgA mostly only in relation to celiac. Both of them are " delayed food

> reactions " ... usually they happen sometime between half an hour

> and 2 DAYS after the food is eaten. A lot of the IgA symptoms aren't

> really from the reaction, they are from autoimmune antibodies that

> are triggered secondarily or from nutrient malabsorption.

>

A delayed reaction might be a rash correct?

Elainie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/18/04 8:47:03 AM, hjillcoy@... writes:

> cripes, i'm nauseated a lot, too and have been

> thinking that i'm pregnant all the time, LOL. 

> so how exactly would i determine if this is my issue

> elimination diet?

>

LOL, take a pregnancy test! (just kidding).

Elainie

>

>

[Guest guest]

>> IgG and IgA reactions are pretty similar ... well, there isn't that much

>> data because they've been studying IgG reactions a lot longer, and

>> IgA mostly only in relation to celiac. Both of them are " delayed food

>> reactions " ... usually they happen sometime between half an hour

>> and 2 DAYS after the food is eaten. A lot of the IgA symptoms aren't

>> really from the reaction, they are from autoimmune antibodies that

>> are triggered secondarily or from nutrient malabsorption.

>>

>A delayed reaction might be a rash correct?

>

>Elainie

It could be just about *anything*. Rashes, joint pain, fuzzy thinking,

anger fits, migraines, nausea, gut pain, diarrhea, constipation are common

though, I think. I get fuzzy vision too, I don't know why.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>cripes, i'm nauseated a lot, too and have been

>thinking that i'm pregnant all the time, LOL.

>so how exactly would i determine if this is my issue?

>elimination diet?

>

>heather

You can try an elimination diet. One old high

school friend of mine came over recently and told

me my trials got her thinking ... she gave up her morning

toast. " I always got sick from breakfast, but I just

figured EVERYONE got sick from breakfast. Now I find

out it was the toast! " .

There are tests (www.finerhealth.com) but the issue

is rather complicated at the moment, no one can agree on

the diagnostic criteria etc. A lot of people just try eliminating

one thing for a week or a month, which often works ... the

problem is, some of the issues don't heal in that amount

of time or there can be multiple overlapping issues. But

that's basically what I did ... gave up wheat and the next

day I was in " withdrawals " so I knew *something* was going

on!

-- Heidi