Re: Really need some help/advice from all of you

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I suppose every body reacts differently to no grain because grains have

always constipated me.

Since I cut out all dairy my stools have definitely changed. This might be

TMI but I go twice daily and they are large and sweet smelling.

Are you drinking enough water? I don't drink enough but manage to drink 64

ounces of water daily in addition to some herbal teas.

And I now eat a little fruit which seems to promote bowel movements as well.

I've always tended towards constipation. As a child it was dreadful.

Elainie

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I do eat one-two big bunches daily (I vary it, kale, collards, bok choi, baby

bok choi, mustard greens , cress, wild greens, etc...)

Okay, I'm off to forage some wild ones!

Elainie

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I fill up glass milk bottles (32 ounces each) to make sure I drink those. Try

it, you might be surprised at what happens bowel wise in a good way.

Elainie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/30/04 12:22:14 PM, itchyink@... writes:

> I'm going to weigh my

> veggies in the a.m. so i know for sure what to eat throughout the day. i

> also tend toward constipation but haven't had any problems the last three

> days -- my first on the no-grain diet. certain veggies seem more stimulating

> to the bowels than others, like spinach for instance.

>

> Elaine

>

LOL Elaine! Are you going to weigh them raw or cooked or both?

Elainie

[Guest guest]

At 01:41 PM 4/30/04 -0000, you wrote:

> Do any of you get constipated on these no/low grain diets??

Lynn,

I had a problem when I started up on the raw dairy. One doctor had given

me something called Marcozyme a little later (general digestive aid), that

helped some, but I still had to be very careful to be absolutely sure that

I ate enough greens and sech every day. I didn't want to be eating

psyllium for the rest of my life.

On the advice of Mr. and The Glutenator (the Kefirinator Kidlets?) I

started choking down roughly three tablespoons of kefir daily. Did that

for the general benefits of kefir, but it also solved my problem.

Stopped taking the Marcozyme within a couple of days. I'm drinking more

kefir than that now, but just that tiny amount let me go back to drinking

as much milk as I wanted (up to a gallon a day). I pretty much attach

that benefit to the kefir because that's the only thing that had changed at

that particular time.

MFJ

Wheeeeee! ~Katja

[Guest guest]

Lynn.....

You and I seem to have such paralled issues!!! I have struggled for years

with constipation, no matter what I did...

I'm not " cured " , but I can tell you one of the only things that helped me

was Omegazyme...GOL enzymes. I never got good results from other enzymes,

but I took these in conjunction with PD and had really good results after

about a week. It's a joke around my house that I'm happy when I've had a

good bm and for some reason, that combo worked for me. Oh happy day! Now, I

just have to stay on the combination $$$$ with all the other stuff I'm

trying!!

I believe the hormone connection is also there....not quite mastered that

one .

Hope this helps!

Really need some help/advice from all of you

Do any of you get constipated on these no/low grain diets??

I've always had a problem with this ...which btw seems to get worse

as women age ...and I'm sure seeing that. I'm attributing it to

hormones.

I eat lots of fermented veggeie foods, use coconut oil/butter

oil/CLO, have recently cut my raw dairy intake way down, drink

water, eat my meats rare and use gelatin broths, eat lots of greens,

little to no wheat, etc. Doing all the correct stuff diet wise. But

without the added fiber from lots grains and legumes I just can't

seem to lick this problem. My chiropractor has had a running battle

with me about using cascara sagrada colon supplements (right now

SP's Colax and Schultz's #3 bowel cleanser). His theory is that I

need to reteach my colon to move properly and these will stimulate

the muscles to do this. He seems to think it'll take about 1 year. I

hate doing this as I think I'm going to ultimately end up damaging

the colon even more. Plus I really hate the cramping they give me.

And often I need to use so much I end up with very soft sticky

stools.

I don't mind using them occasionally when I'm travelling but his

idea of daily use seems ludicrous.

He also wants me to use prune juice which is incrediably sweet!

It's all my carbs and more if I use the amount he thinks I should. I

can't stand it! Maybe I will try fermenting the prunes and having

some of that. I haven't tried that.

I was using PD but muscle tested no to that. Actually his muscle

testing is showing my intestinal microflora is fine. I really

couldn't tell a difference with PD.

This morning I added 2 Tbsp of ground flax with my brewers yeast to

see if that helps. Any thoughts on that? And on the best way to

prepare flax if I use it daily. I'm thinking soaking overnight with

a bit of whey but then I'm not sure how to grind it. Or maybe grind

it then soak overnight with whey or celtic salt ????

I've added Mg thinking that may also help but it doesn't seem to

make a bit of difference unless I take large amounts and then once

again too loose stools.

I really appreciate any thoughts you might have on this. I'm getting

so frustrated with this.

Thanks

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Yes I used to kefir although lately I've just been having 1 cup raw

goat milk yogurt a day. Maybe I'll start back a couple of Tbsp kefir

in a salad dressing. The " G " just posted a recipe for hers. I've

also been thinking about adding young kefir coconut milk. I'll try

it this weekend.

About how many greens do you get down a day. I think Elainie once

mentioned she was eating 1-2 big bunches. Maybe I'm simply not

getting enough and need more than the average person would.

I'll experiment ...thanks

Lynn

>

> I had a problem when I started up on the raw dairy. One doctor

had given

> me something called Marcozyme a little later (general digestive

aid), that

> helped some, but I still had to be very careful to be absolutely

sure that

> I ate enough greens and sech every day. I didn't want to be

eating

> psyllium for the rest of my life.

>

> On the advice of Mr. and The Glutenator (the Kefirinator

Kidlets?) I

> started choking down roughly three tablespoons of kefir daily.

Did that

> for the general benefits of kefir, but it also solved my problem.

> Stopped taking the Marcozyme within a couple of days. I'm

drinking more

> kefir than that now, but just that tiny amount let me go back to

drinking

> as much milk as I wanted (up to a gallon a day). I pretty much

attach

> that benefit to the kefir because that's the only thing that had

changed at

> that particular time.

>

>

>

> MFJ

> Wheeeeee! ~Katja

[Guest guest]

> Are you drinking enough water? I don't drink enough but manage to

drink 64

> ounces of water daily in addition to some herbal teas.

> And I now eat a little fruit which seems to promote bowel

movements as well.

---Yes I remembered you said you tended towards constipation. I

drink some herbal teas and usually 1 cup oolong a day. plus

water...but maybe not enough. I don't measure it so it's easy to

underestimate. Okay...add that to the list to see.

Are you still eating about 1 bunch greens/day or do you think it's

more now?

Thanks

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> I'm not " cured " , but I can tell you one of the only things that

helped me

> was Omegazyme...GOL enzymes. I never got good results from other

enzymes,

----> I'll try some ...I'm on a SP enzyme product and on lipase.

I just ordered some EM (effective microorganisms) to start brewing

up and see what happens. Sorta similar to PD.

> I believe the hormone connection is also there....not quite

mastered that

---> Yeah I'm fairly convinced of that. I came across something that

talked about the digestive problems women face as they hit menopause.

There are estrogen receptors on the intestinal walls so as it

declines everything kinda goes to sleep down there.

Also if you have a thyroid problem that can cause constipation.

Since you started Armour you might find it helps somewhat.

Thanks

Lynn

[Guest guest]

At 03:27 PM 4/30/04 -0000, you wrote:

>Yes I used to kefir although lately I've just been having 1 cup raw

>goat milk yogurt a day. Maybe I'll start back a couple of Tbsp kefir

>in a salad dressing. The " G " just posted a recipe for hers. I've

>also been thinking about adding young kefir coconut milk. I'll try

>it this weekend.

>

>About how many greens do you get down a day. I think Elainie once

>mentioned she was eating 1-2 big bunches. Maybe I'm simply not

>getting enough and need more than the average person would.

>

>I'll experiment ...thanks

>Lynn

>

The only way I could deal with it WITHOUT eating psyllium was (to me) a

fairly hefty salad at night - three to four cups of greens (semi-smooshed

down if you actually put them in a measuring cup) plus whatever else I

popped into the salad. But I got so, ya know, sick of salad.

Actually, I was heartily sick of it within about four days. So The Kefir

Cure was a nice little bonus. Right now I'm being very very very bad

about eating my veggies, but I've still got the kefir going, and haven't

had a problem since.

MFJ

Wheeeeee! ~Katja

[Guest guest]

lynn, the mercola book says to eat a pound of veggies per 100 pounds of body

weight per day. that was a helpful guideline for me. I'm going to weigh my

veggies in the a.m. so i know for sure what to eat throughout the day. i

also tend toward constipation but haven't had any problems the last three

days -- my first on the no-grain diet. certain veggies seem more stimulating

to the bowels than others, like spinach for instance.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

I wanted to add kombucha is helpful for me in this regard too.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

>Do any of you get constipated on these no/low grain diets??

>I've always had a problem with this ...which btw seems to get worse

>as women age ...and I'm sure seeing that. I'm attributing it to

>hormones.

Dr. Lutz wrote about that in his " Life without Bread " book. There seems

to be a conversion period. Const. is NEVER an issue with me (except during

pregnancy) so I was surprised that when I switched from wheat to rice,

while experimenting, I didn't go for 2 days! (after going 6 times a day, that

was a shock!). Finally I ate a cracker, which undid the problem drastically.

My theory is that the gut just gets used to quick peristalsis from all that

irritation, and doesn't know what to DO with solid, non-irritating matter.

However, I'm even older now, and the problem is resolved nicely.

It just took time.

Like I said in another post tho, stewed plums work good. So do

psyllium husks in OJ (but drink 'em quick before they swell up).

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Try prunes instead of prune juice. That doens't taste like drinking

sugar water and works just as well. Think of them as a sweet snack,

if you do like them.

CU Anja

--- In , " Lynn Razaitis " <lyn122@y...>

wrote:

> He also wants me to use prune juice which is incrediably sweet!

> It's all my carbs and more if I use the amount he thinks I should. I

> can't stand it! Maybe I will try fermenting the prunes and having

> some of that. I haven't tried that.

> Lynn

[Guest guest]

At 05:37 PM 4/30/04 -0000, you wrote:

> LOL...yeah I was thinking of minicng them and adding to my chocolate

> coconut candies.......kills two birds with one stone!

> Lynn

Frighteningly enough, it actually sounds yummy too. Send me some.

MFJ

Step AWAY from the wheat, barley and rye! Do NOT make eye contact, back

away slowly!! ~Helga

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:41:16 -0000

" Lynn Razaitis " <lyn122@...> wrote:

My chiropractor has had a running battle

> with me about using cascara sagrada colon supplements (right now

> SP's Colax and Schultz's #3 bowel cleanser). His theory is that I

> need to reteach my colon to move properly and these will stimulate

> the muscles to do this. He seems to think it'll take about 1 year. I

> hate doing this as I think I'm going to ultimately end up damaging

> the colon even more. Plus I really hate the cramping they give me.

> And often I need to use so much I end up with very soft sticky

> stools.

I can't speak for SP's Colax, not knowing what is in it and having no

experience with the product, but I do know that Dr. Schulze's products

do not damage the colon, and that the specific herbs used are designed

to strengthen the colon so that you eventually no longer need to use

them.

It happened with me and others that I know of. I worked up to a certain

dosage, using #1 not #3, stayed at that dosage for about six months, and

then gradually worked it down to where I didn't need it at all. It

worked like a charm, just as Schulze described.

Ocassionally I had a little cramping but that wasn't the norm and it was

early on. Also can happen if you don't take it with meals. There is an

outside chance that you might be sensitive to something in the formula.

My suggestion is to make sure you are using Schulze's original formulas

(not a knockoff that may have been altered) and slowly work your way up

as he desribes in his Doctor/Patient manual. then gradually work

yourself down. The time varies from person to person depending on their

particular state of colon health.

The *New* Ten Commandments

http://tinyurl.com/245sr

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

[Guest guest]

> ----> I'll try some ...I'm on a SP enzyme product and on lipase.

> I just ordered some EM (effective microorganisms) to start brewing

> up and see what happens. Sorta similar to PD.

I've started taking enzymes, and given them to my partner to help

solidify his stools! I'm pretty sure his are loose due to poor fat

digestion. My reasoning was Lipase would help digest the fat,

therefore firmer stools. So my question is, do enzymes soften the

stools, or do they firm them up?

Just asking because I had diarrhea this morning and he has had it

this evening, after taking pancreatin with 2 evening meals in a row,.

Jo

[Guest guest]

>> LOL...yeah I was thinking of minicng them and adding to my chocolate

>> coconut candies.......kills two birds with one stone!

>> Lynn

Prunes are also a good " additive " to cakes and cookies to make

them more moist. The cookies keep longer with pureed prunes

added also. Boiled, they can also be added to hamburger to make

a moister patty (go figure! I have not tried it myself but it

sounds like it might be good).

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:19:54 -0000

" Lynn Razaitis " <lyn122@...> wrote:

> >> It happened with me and others that I know of. I worked up to a

> certain

> > dosage, using #1 not #3, stayed at that dosage for about six

> months, and

> > then gradually worked it down to where I didn't need it at all. It

> > worked like a charm, just as Schulze described.

>

>

> ----> Thanks this is what I need to hear. It's not exactly working

> though easily for me. It is Shulze's formula although he's not put

> me on #1. Standard Process Colax is probably similar....seems to

> have the same range of herbals in it. Were you taking them 2x day

> and working up until you had 2 bowels movements a day?

The #1 is designed to be taken once a day with dinner or right after.

You start with one pill the first day and then work your way up until

you have a " wow " experience the next morning in terms of a bowel

movement. At that point you level out at whatever dosage you have worked

up to. Some people only need one pill. I read where someone had gotten

up to 44 pillls before they had a serious bowel movement. In my case I

think I got up to seven pills with dinner. Now I need none.

If you don't know what I mean by a " wow " experience then it means you

haven't had one :-). Btw, the #3 is designed for children not adults.

Its okay if you only need help in very small dosages, otherwise you

would be better off with #1

> I guess I hadn't thought of working my way down with them just that

> once I got dependent I would never get off of them.

> SO essentially you feel it retrained your colon over 6 months to do

> what it's supposed to do?

The idea is that many of us are suffering problems/diseases/symptoms from

the mundane to the exotic that really have simple solutions. One of

these solutions is to make sure everything that goes in comes out in a

timely manner. This can make a HUGE difference for many folks. I've seen

it work for people who continued to eat a SAD diet while taking #1.

IMO, the number of bowel movements a person has should equal the number

of major meals eaten per day. For most of us that would be two or three

movements. Short of that, Dr. Schulze believes that you are constipated.

Given that, even if you became dependent that would still be better than

having infrequent bowel movements. Everytime it comes up in conversation

I'm amazed at how infrequently many people have bowel movements and

think nothing of it. Not only do they have SAD diets but SAD minds as

well.

Nonetheless, you shouldn't become dependent on the formulas. I do believe

that the formulas help strengthen the colon so that it can operate

efficiently on its own. That has been my experience and the experience

of many others. That is one reason why I like good quality properly

prepared herbs, they help the body do what it is supposed to do without

creating a life long dependence.

The *New* Ten Commandments

http://tinyurl.com/245sr

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale