Re: Coconut oil for sun screen

[Guest guest]

,

I tried this last year and it DEFINITELY didn't work! I got very burnt!

Sandy

<contact_us@...> wrote:

Coconut oil for sun screen does any one know if this works? Also any

other suggestions.

Thanx

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 12:26:06 -0000

" " <contact_us@...> wrote:

> Coconut oil for sun screen does any one know if this works? Also any

> other suggestions.

> Thanx

>

Hi ,

You shouldn't be " screening " yourself from the sun. If you have problems

with the sun it is an internal issue not an external one. My suggestions

would be:

1. eliminate all white sugar from your diet

2. make saturated fats the preeminent fat in your diet and a *large* part

of your diet

3. reduce PUFA's in your diet to the bare minimum

Venture out slowly into the sun. Coconut oil mixed with olive oil is

good on the skin as is coconut oil by itself but it won't keep you from

burning: see above.

Over time you should be able to increase your exposure to the point

where you never have to worry about burning. May take a little while

depending on whether you are fair skinned or not but with a little

persistence you can get there.

The *New* Ten Commandments

http://tinyurl.com/245sr

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

[Guest guest]

,

I don't think I completely agree here. My ancestry is Irish and Swedish and

even with an awesome diet, I don't think an equatorial sun (say, a vacation

in the Caribbean) will ever be doable for long periods of time. I doubt

that our ancestors had much time for leisurely sunbathing, though! I know

about the vitamin D argument, but sunburns can be serious and dangerous.

Personally, I still slather on sunscreen every day on my hands and face, but

let the rest of my body absorb the rays. If I'm on the beach, I use

sunscreen all over and wear a hat. My diet isn't as good as it should be,

but I am concerned about skin cancer, depleted ozone, etc. and am scared to

risk it. I did have a friend who took PABA internally and claimed she

didn't need to use any sunscreen. But, she was rather olive-skinned in the

first place.

----- Original Message ----- >

> Over time you should be able to increase your exposure to the point

> where you never have to worry about burning. May take a little while

> depending on whether you are fair skinned or not but with a little

> persistence you can get there.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>et

>3. reduce PUFA's in your diet to the bare minimum

i know this is lame but someone remind me, what's a PUFA?

-katja

[Guest guest]

>

> > Coconut oil for sun screen does any one know if this works? Also

any

> > other suggestions.

> > Thanx

> >

>

> Hi ,

>

> You shouldn't be " screening " yourself from the sun. If you have

problems

> with the sun it is an internal issue not an external one. My

suggestions

> would be:

>

> 1. eliminate all white sugar from your diet

> 2. make saturated fats the preeminent fat in your diet and a

*large* part

> of your diet

> 3. reduce PUFA's in your diet to the bare minimum

>

> Venture out slowly into the sun. Coconut oil mixed with olive oil is

> good on the skin as is coconut oil by itself but it won't keep you

from

> burning: see above.

>

> Over time you should be able to increase your exposure to the point

> where you never have to worry about burning. May take a little while

> depending on whether you are fair skinned or not but with a little

> persistence you can get there.

>

>

> The *New* Ten Commandments

> http://tinyurl.com/245sr

>

> " They told just the same,

> That just because a tyrant has the might

> By force of arms to murder men downright

> And burn down house and home and leave all flat

> They call the man a captain, just for that.

> But since an outlaw with his little band

> Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

> Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

> He only earns the title of a thief. "

> --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's

Tale

It is actually for my year old sun. He was out for an hour and a

half or so and got nice and pink. He had a sun hat on and wasn't

directly exposed to the son. I tend to think this is fine but I

wanted something just incase. I was trying to stay away from the

commercial stuff because there is usually a lot of junk in it. I

also heard about shea butter has any one heard anything about this?

[Guest guest]

see? here are two thoughts i've had.

the first is that sunscreen seems to me to carry the same risk as other

things with metals in them. doesn't seem good to me. i'd rather wear

lightweight longsleeves and a hat when needed. also, i work outdoors as

often as possible to let my body slowly build up the natural resistance: a tan!

and the second is, who said that the sun causes skin cancer? i guess the

aussies on the list have grounds for concern, but i'm not sure that for the

rest of us, the risk is acutally all it's made out to be. i definitely

don't want a burn cause that's no fun, but i'm just not convinced that the

sun is what's causing the cancer...

-katja

At 01:03 PM 5/12/2004, you wrote:

>,

>

>I don't think I completely agree here. My ancestry is Irish and Swedish and

>even with an awesome diet, I don't think an equatorial sun (say, a vacation

>in the Caribbean) will ever be doable for long periods of time. I doubt

>that our ancestors had much time for leisurely sunbathing, though! I know

>about the vitamin D argument, but sunburns can be serious and dangerous.

>Personally, I still slather on sunscreen every day on my hands and face, but

>let the rest of my body absorb the rays. If I'm on the beach, I use

>sunscreen all over and wear a hat. My diet isn't as good as it should be,

>but I am concerned about skin cancer, depleted ozone, etc. and am scared to

>risk it. I did have a friend who took PABA internally and claimed she

>didn't need to use any sunscreen. But, she was rather olive-skinned in the

>first place.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Katja--perhaps you're right, but the sun DOES make you more wrinkly--even

traditional folks on good diets get wrinkles in the sun...so, perhaps it's

more of a vanity issue for me!

----- Original Message -----

From: " katja " <katja@...>

>

> and the second is, who said that the sun causes skin cancer? i guess the

> aussies on the list have grounds for concern, but i'm not sure that for

the

> rest of us, the risk is acutally all it's made out to be. i definitely

> don't want a burn cause that's no fun, but i'm just not convinced that the

> sun is what's causing the cancer...

>

> -katja

>

[Guest guest]

,

I don't think " pink " is very healthy for a baby. Sunburn is the body's way

of telling you TOO MUCH SUN. I would look at Dr. Hauschka's sunscreen for

kids as a good option if your son will be out in the sun a lot:

http://www.drhauschka.com/products/sun/suns_lotion_child_spf22_fr.html

----- Original Message -----

From: " " <contact_us@...>

>

> It is actually for my year old sun. He was out for an hour and a

> half or so and got nice and pink. He had a sun hat on and wasn't

> directly exposed to the son. I tend to think this is fine but I

> wanted something just incase. I was trying to stay away from the

> commercial stuff because there is usually a lot of junk in it. I

> also heard about shea butter has any one heard anything about this?

[Guest guest]

polyunsaturated fatty acids (most veggie oils contain lots of them)

Re: Coconut oil for sun screen

>

> >et

> >3. reduce PUFA's in your diet to the bare minimum

>

> i know this is lame but someone remind me, what's a PUFA?

>

> -katja

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

From: ><<It is actually for my year old sun. He was out for an hour and a

half or so and got nice and pink.>>

,

" Nice and pink " probably means he got 2nd or 3rd degree burn... 10 minutes would

have been plenty... someone with very fair skin just hasn't got enough melanin

to come up to the surface and protect the skin... short exposure would be enough

for vitamin D production while avoiding sun-burn which is not a good idea.

Shea butter is a very good moisturiser and skin conditioner...

Dedy

[Guest guest]

>,

>

>I don't think I completely agree here. My ancestry is Irish and Swedish and

>even with an awesome diet, I don't think an equatorial sun (say, a vacation

>in the Caribbean) will ever be doable for long periods of time. I doubt

>that our ancestors had much time for leisurely sunbathing, though! I know

>about the vitamin D argument, but sunburns can be serious and dangerous.

I agree here. My sun tolerance has gone WAY up since changing my diet, but my

ancestors adapted to living on glaciers, for gosh sakes! There are very few

light-skinned

or light-furred animals that exist, and there is a reason for this: the sun!

*ONLY* Northern

Europeans have that really light skin and blue eyes ... likely so they can get

enough

vitamin D etc.

However, all my friends who " tanned " are now really wrinkly. It does change your

skin texture (at least if you are of the pale persuasion ...). I like being

non-wrinkly.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

From what I know, if you want to block the sun, clothing of course is

good, but you need a sunscreen with a metal in it, zinc I think is the

most common. Those types of sunscreen can rarely but sometimes be found

in health food stores. It's not gonna be clear though, most likely it

will be white and pasty looking. Commercial sunscreens just stop your

body from burning, they don't stop all the damaging rays which you're

trying to build up pigment for. A nice hat and a shirt is needed and

slowly build up your tan with bare skin exposure for a few minutes each

day... etc. like others said.

•

>

> > Coconut oil for sun screen does any one know if this works?  Also

any

> > other suggestions.

> > Thanx

[Guest guest]

What if I go to Hawaii next week for two weeks vacation, what is the

best solution? Wear clothes on all the time in hot temperature, eh?

> >

> > > Coconut oil for sun screen does any one know if this works? 

Also

> any

> > > other suggestions.

> > > Thanx

[Guest guest]

I like the sun protection clothing from www.sunprecautions.com. They have

very lightweight, breathable/vented, long-sleeve shirts

(http://www.sunprecautions.com/search.asp?UID=2004051219223292

<http://www.sunprecautions.com/search.asp?UID=2004051219223292 & FNM=00 & SKW=9S

A & PAGLEN=10> & FNM=00 & SKW=9SA & PAGLEN=10) that my children and I wear in the

middle of summer without much of a problem feeling too hot. Yes, the prices

are high, but the quality is outstanding.

Anne

[Guest guest]

> Re: Coconut oil for sun screen

>

>

>see? here are two thoughts i've had.

>

>the first is that sunscreen seems to me to carry the same risk as other

>things with metals in them. doesn't seem good to me. i'd rather wear

>lightweight longsleeves and a hat when needed. also, i work outdoors as

>often as possible to let my body slowly build up the natural

>resistance: a tan!

>

>and the second is, who said that the sun causes skin cancer? i guess the

>aussies on the list have grounds for concern, but i'm not sure

>that for the

>rest of us, the risk is acutally all it's made out to be. i definitely

>don't want a burn cause that's no fun, but i'm just not convinced that the

>sun is what's causing the cancer...

>

>-katja

You're more or less right about that, regardless of one's skin tone, it's as

said - more of an internal issue. The two major protectors against

sun damage (that I'm aware of) are antioxidants and carotenoids. Carotenoids

are precursors to melanin. I also think if you take vitamin A retinol AND a

good amount of carotenoids that most of the carotenoids don't get converted

to Vit. A and end up in the skin (then get made into melanin, which protects

your skin from the sun). Anyway, I'm a lousy converter and get a lot of both

vit. A and carotenoids and my skin is pigmented year round even though my

heritage is Scotish, German and Dutch. I even get comments on it often -

just last week someone asked if I'd been tanning and I said not since last

fall. I've also been asked if I'm Puerto Rican or Native American, despite

my light hair color.

Reducing PUFAs and increasing antioxidants is really key too. IIRC, Vit's E

and C, plus another antioxidant - don't recall which one, significanlty

protect against sun damage. Of course you can wear clothes too - that almost

always works :-)

Oh, and according to Mercola ALL sunscreen lotions except one, I think,

contain carcinogens. I think it's the active ingredient that they all use

that is carcinogenic. (I found that Aubrey Organics doesn't contain the

carcinogenic active ingredient that's in other lotions.) So, it's possible

you have more risk of cancer from your sunscreen than from the sun, or from

your_lack_of_internal_protection from the sun!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

>>,

>>

>>I don't think I completely agree here. My ancestry is Irish and

>Swedish and

>>even with an awesome diet, I don't think an equatorial sun (say,

>a vacation

>>in the Caribbean) will ever be doable for long periods of time. I doubt

>>that our ancestors had much time for leisurely sunbathing, though! I know

>>about the vitamin D argument, but sunburns can be serious and dangerous.

>

>I agree here. My sun tolerance has gone WAY up since changing my

>diet, but my

>ancestors adapted to living on glaciers, for gosh sakes! There are

>very few light-skinned

>or light-furred animals that exist, and there is a reason for

>this: the sun! *ONLY* Northern

>Europeans have that really light skin and blue eyes ... likely so

>they can get enough

>vitamin D etc.

True, but I bet they spent a hell of a lot more time in direct sunlight than

us modern folk, and I bet their diet protected them well from UV damage. I

do think it's clear that darker skinned folk have greater built-in

protection than lighter skinned folk, but I think that lighter skinned folk

need not burn from sun exposure as much as people think they do based solely

on genetics. I think with proper diet, many light skinned people will have

much more protection than they realize.

>

>However, all my friends who " tanned " are now really wrinkly. It

>does change your

>skin texture (at least if you are of the pale persuasion ...). I

>like being non-wrinkly.

>

>-- Heidi Jean

>

But what were your friends' *diets* like? I have a friend whom I believe

does low fat, and eats a lot of junk. She's two years older than me and has

always been a big tanner, including tanning booths. she has significant

wrinkles around her eyes. She has darker skin and hair than I do also. I

have zero wrinkles and have burned on countless occassions and tanned on and

off over the years. But my diet is high in saturated fat, antioxidants and

carotenoids. Last summer I used CO on my body when I went in the sun. I may

have used Aubrey Organics tanning lotion once or twice. I also used a

tanning booth in the fall, using just CO on my body, and maybe some Aubrey

on my face, if at all.

I really think that diet has more to do with the wrinkles than simply the

amount of time spent in the sun. But I also think it's wise not to stay out

if you feel yourself burning - cover up or go inside.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

>But what were your friends' *diets* like? I have a friend whom I believe

>does low fat, and eats a lot of junk. She's two years older than me and has

>always been a big tanner, including tanning booths. she has significant

>wrinkles around her eyes. She has darker skin and hair than I do also. I

>have zero wrinkles and have burned on countless occassions and tanned on and

>off over the years. But my diet is high in saturated fat, antioxidants and

>carotenoids. Last summer I used CO on my body when I went in the sun. I may

>have used Aubrey Organics tanning lotion once or twice. I also used a

>tanning booth in the fall, using just CO on my body, and maybe some Aubrey

>on my face, if at all.

Well, I don't know many folks personally (i.e. face to face) that eat decent,

so it's hard to say. My parents actually ate pretty well though, and they

both got a lot of skin cancer living in LA. Also I've read of missionary kids

who went back into the jungle to visit their friends .. the friends were

really " wizened " and looked a lot older than they were. Some of it, I'm

sure is diet, but basically skin thickens to protect against the elements, which

is why most cultures use umbrellas for the nobility. The skin thickening isn't

*bad* ... your average elephant is quite healthy, but wrinkly. Ditto if you go

barefoot, you will get calloused feet, no matter what your diet.

I DO agree about diet though ... I used to get " sun dermatitis " when

I drove with my arm out the window. That has disappeared.

Part of it has to do with your latitude though. When I visit LA, I got

sunburned in 20 minutes waiting for a bus. Up here I am out all

day in the sun sometimes. Which is about the same latitude as Northern

Europe. And some of it has to do with genetics, and how much time

you really spend outside (as a computer person, I'd guess you spend

most of your time indoors?). But if a person burns (as in the original

email) then that person is getting damaged ... they can recover, sure,

(I sure got burned enough in LA!) but I wouldn't do it on purpose.

Also there is the time of day. If you go to some tropical place, but just

avoid the time when the sun is straight overhead, you can do pretty

well. I think it's a 2-hour window when the sun is really bad, which

is when the locals tend to take a siesta. Interestingly, my chickens

do the same ... on a hot day, in the heat of the day, they are sitting

under some nice cool tree! They " sun " themselves when it isn't

quite so hot.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Aw come on! I mean sure your tips for a healthy diet are good, but I

do believe that your skin colour plays the main role in how well you

tolerate sun. And fair skinned people are NEVER going to sit out in

the sun all day long without getting burned to crisp, because they eat

well. They just are not made for being in strong sun. They are from

colder climate. Sure they can build up on the time they can spend in

the sun without being burned, but not as much as people with darker skin.

CU Anja

> Hi ,

> You shouldn't be " screening " yourself from the sun. If you have

problems with the sun it is an internal issue not an external one. My

suggestions would be:

> 1. eliminate all white sugar from your diet

> 2. make saturated fats the preeminent fat in your diet and a *large*

part of your diet

> 3. reduce PUFA's in your diet to the bare minimum

> Venture out slowly into the sun. Coconut oil mixed with olive oil is

> good on the skin as is coconut oil by itself but it won't keep you

from burning: see above.

> Over time you should be able to increase your exposure to the point

> where you never have to worry about burning. May take a little while

> depending on whether you are fair skinned or not but with a little

> persistence you can get there.

>

[Guest guest]

Buy a beach umbrella, wear a hat, don't sit directly in the sun from

11-2pm...you'll be able to tolerate more as the vacation progresses, but be

careful! I was in Tobago over Xmas last year and I did pretty well with

this method. For snorkeling, I wore a rashguard (little shirt that surfers

wear made out of bathing suit material) and this was great for protecting my

back from the sun as I gazed at stingrays, barracudas and the like.

Re: Coconut oil for sun screen

What if I go to Hawaii next week for two weeks vacation, what is the

best solution? Wear clothes on all the time in hot temperature, eh?

[Guest guest]

thanks suze. so two follow up questions:

1. what besides veggie oils (which we don't eat) has PUFAs? (and why don't

i know this already? see? springtime for farmers...suddenly you're so

overcome with work that your brain falls out your ears)

2. what is the carcinogenic ingredient in sunscreens? (in general i've just

assumed it was all the active ingredients, but then i'd heard someone say

that titanium oxide is not so bad...)

fanks!

katja

[Guest guest]

I'll second that!!!! *scooping brain matter off the office floor*

Marie

Katja wrote:

springtime for farmers...suddenly you're so

overcome with work that your brain falls out your ears)

[Guest guest]

> RE: Coconut oil for sun screen

>

>

>

>

>thanks suze. so two follow up questions:

>1. what besides veggie oils (which we don't eat) has PUFAs?

Fish oil, CLO, pastured animal fats to a lesser extent. We do NEED *some*

PUFAs, just not a lot - probably less than 4% of total fat intake or

thereabouts.

>

>2. what is the carcinogenic ingredient in sunscreens? (in general

>i've just

>assumed it was all the active ingredients, but then i'd heard someone say

>that titanium oxide is not so bad...)

>

>fanks!

>katja

I think it's the one Anne mentioned - Octyl

Methoxycinnamate. You can look it up on Mercola to verify.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

> What if I go to Hawaii next week for two weeks vacation, what is the

> best solution? Wear clothes on all the time in hot temperature, eh?

That's an option, but it would be more fun if you took them all off

and were surrounded by topless natives that shaded you with palm

branches while you sipped margaritas.

Chris