Re: Feeding Adopted Newborn

[Guest guest]

well, there's lots of things that can be easy or difficult with a

baby...maybe this one will be worth the difficult? maybe you can do it some

of the time? there is organic formula - http://www.naturesone.com/ but

still won't be as good as the home-made kind.

we usually can keep raw milk for a few days - i bet you could do it with

only two trips a week to the dairy...

it might seem crazy now but it might get to be routine later...my dh and i

like car trips cause amber will sleep and we can talk. maybe there's a way

to work it so it's not hard...

-katja

At 11:31 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote:

>Any help, insight or advice on making this EASY will be greatly

>appreciated! That might sound selfish, but this is one of a million

>things that we need to work out in the next couple weeks regarding

>the baby.

[Guest guest]

Congratulations Cheryl!

I've never fed an infant formula (I actually don't even have children, but

I'm thinking about it), but I do freeze raw milk all the time (I buy it once

a month) and it seems totally fine to me (and a MUCH better option than

store bought). I freeze half gallon plastic bottles and then defrost them

by leaving it out on a counter for a few hours. Be sure your source of raw

milk is VERY clean. The baby might not have the best immune system (do you

know what the health of the birth mother was?) I can't imagine that there

are any good commercial formulas out there (soy is out of the question and

powdered/condensed milk is uber processed) but this would be good info to

have in a pinch.

good luck!

[Guest guest]

Here's the ingredient list of the " dairy formula " from Nature's One...pretty

frightening that brown rice syrup is the first ingredient:

Organic Brown Rice Syrup

Organic Non-Fat Milk

Organic High Oleic Sunflower Oil

Organic Soybean Oil

Organic Coconut Oil

Calcium Ascorbate (Vitamin C)

Soy Lecithin (Non - GMO)

Tricalcium Phosphate

Calcium Citrate

Choline Bitartrate

Natural Vanilla Flavor

Taurine

Ferrous Sulfate

Inositol

Natural Alpha-Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E)

Zinc Sulfate

Niacinamide

Vitamin A Palmitate

Calcium Pantothenate

Thiamin Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1)

Copper Sulfate

Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)

Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6)

Folic Acid

Phylloquinone (Vitamin K)

Potassium Iodide

Sodium Selenate

Biotin

Vitamin D3

Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12)

Re: Feeding Adopted Newborn

> well, there's lots of things that can be easy or difficult with a

> baby...maybe this one will be worth the difficult? maybe you can do it

some

> of the time? there is organic formula - http://www.naturesone.com/ but

> still won't be as good as the home-made kind.

[Guest guest]

cheryl congratulations on your adoption!

> 2. Isn't there ANY healthy baby formula out there that is

> reccommended? We have very little time to prepare for this baby

and

> we are trying simplify life, not make it more difficult and

> stressful at this time.

not as far as i know. commercial baby foods are inferior, if not

downright dangerous. nothing can compare to mother's milk! i know

women who say that goat's milk is better than any formula on the

market. i'd suggest you try to find a breastmilk bank or locate

someone locally that has excess. or better yet, i've read that you

can produce breastmilk yourself but i don't recall the process.

probably involves using a pump until baby arrives. and then using a

tube (to deliver the formula) while you nurse. the prospect is very

exciting, isnt' it? i can ask around for info on that if you're at

all interested. please let us know what you decide!

> Any help, insight or advice on making this EASY will be greatly

> appreciated! That might sound selfish, but this is one of a

million

> things that we need to work out in the next couple weeks regarding

> the baby.

yes cheryl i understand wanting " easy " **but** please dont' forget

that nutrition is the #1 way to good (or bad) health and that

nothing is more important than what goes into our bodies to nourish

it. " easy " would be to get a container of carnation formula off the

shelf but it's deadly! and soy formula is no better than cow's

milk, imo. (you can read about it at mercola.com)

good luck & HTH!

vera

[Guest guest]

gak!!

then please, forget i mentioned it!! this is AWFUL!!

use the other suggestions! just get the raw milk! relactate! find a bank!

don't use formula!

katja, appalled.

At 11:55 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote:

>Here's the ingredient list of the " dairy formula " from Nature's One...pretty

>frightening that brown rice syrup is the first ingredient:

>

>Organic Brown Rice Syrup

>Organic Non-Fat Milk

>Organic High Oleic Sunflower Oil

>Organic Soybean Oil

>Organic Coconut Oil

>Calcium Ascorbate (Vitamin C)

>Soy Lecithin (Non - GMO)

>Tricalcium Phosphate

>Calcium Citrate

>Choline Bitartrate

>Natural Vanilla Flavor

>Taurine

>Ferrous Sulfate

>Inositol

>Natural Alpha-Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E)

>Zinc Sulfate

>Niacinamide

>Vitamin A Palmitate

>Calcium Pantothenate

>Thiamin Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1)

>Copper Sulfate

>Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)

>Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6)

>Folic Acid

>Phylloquinone (Vitamin K)

>Potassium Iodide

>Sodium Selenate

>Biotin

>Vitamin D3

>Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12)

>

> Re: Feeding Adopted Newborn

>

>

> > well, there's lots of things that can be easy or difficult with a

> > baby...maybe this one will be worth the difficult? maybe you can do it

>some

> > of the time? there is organic formula - http://www.naturesone.com/ but

> > still won't be as good as the home-made kind.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

I use outlook express and I have it set so that all messages from this list

get dumped into a specified folder. Then I can sort by subject line and

easily read the threads that interest me. Otherwise, you can read the

messages on 's website but that sucks because of all the ads, etc.

ps-if you have outlook, I can tell you how to set it as described above.

****************

>

> Also, about this list--how do I change my settings? I don't want

> every message that is posted to this list to end up in my e-mail

> box, but I can't figure out how to change it.

>

> Thanks, all of you, for your patience!

>

> Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Yes, you may be able to find a Bradley Teacher that may know of a mother

willing to donate some breastmilk. Breastmilk banks are very expensive.

K

Re: Feeding Adopted Newborn

cheryl congratulations on your adoption!

> 2. Isn't there ANY healthy baby formula out there that is

> reccommended? We have very little time to prepare for this baby

and

> we are trying simplify life, not make it more difficult and stressful

> at this time.

not as far as i know. commercial baby foods are inferior, if not downright

dangerous. nothing can compare to mother's milk! i know women who say that

goat's milk is better than any formula on the market. i'd suggest you try

to find a breastmilk bank or locate someone locally that has excess. or

better yet, i've read that you can produce breastmilk yourself but i don't

recall the process.

probably involves using a pump until baby arrives. and then using a tube

(to deliver the formula) while you nurse. the prospect is very

exciting, isnt' it? i can ask around for info on that if you're at

all interested. please let us know what you decide!

> Any help, insight or advice on making this EASY will be greatly

> appreciated! That might sound selfish, but this is one of a

million

> things that we need to work out in the next couple weeks regarding the

> baby.

yes cheryl i understand wanting " easy " **but** please dont' forget that

nutrition is the #1 way to good (or bad) health and that nothing is more

important than what goes into our bodies to nourish it. " easy " would be to

get a container of carnation formula off the shelf but it's deadly! and soy

formula is no better than cow's milk, imo. (you can read about it at

mercola.com)

good luck & HTH!

vera

[Guest guest]

But don't use raw cow milk...read up on the milks...goat milk is the closest

to human milk.

K

Re: Feeding Adopted Newborn

gak!!

then please, forget i mentioned it!! this is AWFUL!!

use the other suggestions! just get the raw milk! relactate! find a bank!

don't use formula!

katja, appalled.

At 11:55 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote:

>Here's the ingredient list of the " dairy formula " from Nature's

>One...pretty frightening that brown rice syrup is the first ingredient:

>

>Organic Brown Rice Syrup

>Organic Non-Fat Milk

>Organic High Oleic Sunflower Oil

>Organic Soybean Oil

>Organic Coconut Oil

>Calcium Ascorbate (Vitamin C)

>Soy Lecithin (Non - GMO)

>Tricalcium Phosphate

>Calcium Citrate

>Choline Bitartrate

>Natural Vanilla Flavor

>Taurine

>Ferrous Sulfate

>Inositol

>Natural Alpha-Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E) Zinc Sulfate Niacinamide

>Vitamin A Palmitate Calcium Pantothenate Thiamin Hydrochloride (Vitamin

>B1) Copper Sulfate Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) Pyridoxine Hydrochloride

>(Vitamin B6) Folic Acid Phylloquinone (Vitamin K) Potassium Iodide

>Sodium Selenate Biotin Vitamin D3 Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12)

>

> Re: Feeding Adopted Newborn

>

>

> > well, there's lots of things that can be easy or difficult with a

> > baby...maybe this one will be worth the difficult? maybe you can do

> > it

>some

> > of the time? there is organic formula - http://www.naturesone.com/

> > but still won't be as good as the home-made kind.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even if you never produce a drop of milk...you can Breastfeed. There are

still benefits to the muscle tone of the baby, to the eyes and of course

attachment. If anything...attachment would be a biggest enough reason to

use a supplemental feeder to " simulate " nursing. There is nothing like skin

to skin beats skin to rubber any day.

K

Feeding Adopted Newborn

Thanks all of you who have responded so far--I really appreciate it. Just

so you know, I will be UNABLE to breastfeed. I would have had to have

started on hormones (not a good thing for me) many months ago, and even then

the success rate is extrememly low--so please, let's not go there, it's

disappointing enough.

Has anyone out there actually used this homemade formula? I think that's

what I'm really looking for, so that my specific questions can be answered.

If noone has ever tried it, then everything is pretty hypothetical.

Thanks for letting me know that real milk, when frozen, will defrost

OK--thought I'd heard it ends up seperating and being a different

consistency, so I'm glad to here it will defrost fine! Freezing could be a

good option.

Also, about this list--how do I change my settings? I don't want every

message that is posted to this list to end up in my e-mail box, but I can't

figure out how to change it.

Thanks, all of you, for your patience!

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

>Thanks for letting me know that real milk, when frozen, will

>defrost OK--thought I'd heard it ends up seperating and being a

>different consistency, so I'm glad to here it will defrost fine!

>Freezing could be a good option.

> Cheryl

Hi Cheryl,

I used to freeze my milk all the time since I was only able to get it

once a month. Sometimes it would separate upon thawing and sometimes

it wouldn't. It didn't affect the taste, though. It might depend on

how much cream content is in the milk you get. I still freeze cream

and it comes out great. I don't have kids, so I can't help you out

with the NT formula. There are some old posts from some people that

use it, but it can be hard to search thru the archives - might be

worth a try. Best of luck with your new baby!

[Guest guest]

it's worth the effort finding other raw milk enthusiasts who will carpool

with you. I get raw milk weekly but only drive once a month. A couple of

friends of mine said their babies didn't like the NT formula, but they had

been breastfed for a year.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry. I would use raw goat milk if I was to adopt a baby. And if you

want an nursing expereince you could put some milk in a SNS system so babe can

nurse.

Godd luck and let us know how you're doing. Your baby is lucky to have such a

caring mama!

Elainie

[Guest guest]

>use the other suggestions! just get the raw milk! relactate! find a bank!

>don't use formula!

>

>katja, appalled.

For baby animals, goat milk is regarded as the " universal milk " ...

i.e. you can use it to raise most other animals. I asked a doc

about it for humans, and he said it doesn't have enough

folic acid .... but compared to " powdered milk and brown rice

syrup " , goat milk plus some folic acid sounds a lot better!

Goat milk isn't as high in hormones etc. as cow milk, partly

because the goats aren't generally as overbred. Plus, if

it works, you can get a milk goat yourself pretty reasonably.

They eat grass and shrubbery most of the year, you can't

get much cheaper than that!

Also I heard about some premies in Africa being fed

kefir ... they had a higher survival rate (than what? I

don't know). It is REALLY important for babies to

have their digestive tract colonized early, that is what causes

the digestive tract to form correctly. In mice, " sterile " raised

babies got digestive problems, which might be part of the

problem with us nowadays ... all that sterile baby formula!

Kefir is really digestible, and if it does happen to be

contaminated with something yecchy it still is unlikely

to make a baby sick (the kefir bacteria are deadly to

anyone they don't like, and they don't like pathogens).

I'd look into it if I was in your position. I started my son on

it when he was younger and having digestive problems,

cleared 'em right up.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

> RE: Feeding Adopted Newborn

>

>

>But don't use raw cow milk...read up on the milks...goat milk is

>the closest

>to human milk.

Oddly enough, DOG milk actually has a closer fatty acid profile to human

milk than any other animal.

Solution: get a mastiff (maybe you can get a pink one from of " Pink

Mastiffs " ) and start milking!

Please pardon me for an obviously pointless solution.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

Just so you know, I will be UNABLE to breastfeed. I would have

> had to have started on hormones (not a good thing for me) many

> months ago, and even then the success rate is extrememly low--so

> please, let's not go there, it's disappointing enough.

hi cheryl!

may i ask if you are absolutely sure? who told you the success rate

is extremely low? if it was a mainstream dr i wouldn't be

surprised! i did a little surfing on the web and found some very

encouraging information. at kellymom.com, for example, she

says " You are about to adopt a baby and you want to breastfeed him?

Wonderful! It is not only possible, it is fairly easy and the

chances are you will produce a significant amount of milk. " and has

a lot of resources cited.

she talks about Herbal remedies for increasing milk supply. " A

substance that increases milk supply is called a galactagogue. Some

of the most commonly used herbal galactagogues are fenugreek,

blessed thistle, and alfalfa. There are also several prescription

medications that can increase milk supply (says that *if* you know 6-

7 months in advance you can take medications that make it easier to

relactate, but she is very clear that you do *not* need medications

to be a successful nursing adoptive mom!). "

" The usual, non-herbal, non-medication methods for increasing milk

supply are sufficient for most mothers. If these methods have not

proven sufficient and you feel that a galactagogue is needed,

remember that any galactagogue will be most effective in increasing

milk supply when combined with an increased nursing frequency. "

HTH

vera

[Guest guest]

Funny dog milk was never covered in the breastfeeding books. Maybe I should

get my money back!

RE: Feeding Adopted Newborn

>

>

>But don't use raw cow milk...read up on the milks...goat milk is the

>closest to human milk.

Oddly enough, DOG milk actually has a closer fatty acid profile to human

milk than any other animal.

Solution: get a mastiff (maybe you can get a pink one from of " Pink

Mastiffs " ) and start milking!

Please pardon me for an obviously pointless solution.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

-

There are drugs and other herbs that are better. Check out the

Group MOBI

Domperidone works for many, Goat's rue and Fenugreek are the best.

Blessed thistle and milk thistle are good for some.

The sucess rate is low.

But some moms like the experience of lactating. For that you can get

an SNS or Lact-aid-- Its a container you put the formula in and put

it around your neck. A tube goes right near your nipple. The baby

latches on and breastfeeds-- getting any milk the mom has and also

the formula in the Sns.

There's lots of info.

I have used the SNS, and pumped, and Domperridone, and all the herbs

and my son didn't do well on the price pottenger formula--

constipation.

Anyway,

my now one year old, who still nurses is calling for my attention

hope

-- In , " starrrwulfiam "

<starwulf@c...> wrote:

>

>

> Just so you know, I will be UNABLE to breastfeed. I would have

> > had to have started on hormones (not a good thing for me) many

> > months ago, and even then the success rate is extrememly low--so

> > please, let's not go there, it's disappointing enough.

>

> hi cheryl!

>

> may i ask if you are absolutely sure? who told you the success

rate

> is extremely low? if it was a mainstream dr i wouldn't be

> surprised! i did a little surfing on the web and found some very

> encouraging information. at kellymom.com, for example, she

> says " You are about to adopt a baby and you want to breastfeed him?

> Wonderful! It is not only possible, it is fairly easy and the

> chances are you will produce a significant amount of milk. " and has

> a lot of resources cited.

>

> she talks about Herbal remedies for increasing milk supply. " A

> substance that increases milk supply is called a galactagogue. Some

> of the most commonly used herbal galactagogues are fenugreek,

> blessed thistle, and alfalfa. There are also several prescription

> medications that can increase milk supply (says that *if* you know

6-

> 7 months in advance you can take medications that make it easier to

> relactate, but she is very clear that you do *not* need medications

> to be a successful nursing adoptive mom!). "

>

> " The usual, non-herbal, non-medication methods for increasing milk

> supply are sufficient for most mothers. If these methods have not

> proven sufficient and you feel that a galactagogue is needed,

> remember that any galactagogue will be most effective in increasing

> milk supply when combined with an increased nursing frequency. "

>

> HTH

> vera

[Guest guest]

>Oddly enough, DOG milk actually has a closer fatty acid profile to

>human milk than any other animal.

>Solution: get a mastiff (maybe you can get a pink one from

>of " Pink Mastiffs " ) and start milking!

Ha! That made my morning. I'm not , but I'm the one with the

pinksmastiffs handle. Mine are both boys, so I'm out of luck for

experimentation....

[Guest guest]

i really agree about the kefir. although i've had to adjust to the sourness

of it, amber slurps it right up! she absolutely loves it!

also, if you get raw milk from heritage breed cows, or at the very least

NOT holsteins, you'll have fewer of those imbalance-hormone-issue-things.

yawn. gotta wake up...

katja

At 09:37 PM 5/4/2004, you wrote:

>Also I heard about some premies in Africa being fed

>kefir ... they had a higher survival rate (than what? I

>don't know). It is REALLY important for babies to

>have their digestive tract colonized early, that is what causes

>the digestive tract to form correctly. In mice, " sterile " raised

>babies got digestive problems, which might be part of the

>problem with us nowadays ... all that sterile baby formula!

>Kefir is really digestible, and if it does happen to be

>contaminated with something yecchy it still is unlikely

>to make a baby sick (the kefir bacteria are deadly to

>anyone they don't like, and they don't like pathogens).

>I'd look into it if I was in your position. I started my son on

>it when he was younger and having digestive problems,

>cleared 'em right up.

[Guest guest]

> Re: Feeding Adopted Newborn

>

>

>

>>Oddly enough, DOG milk actually has a closer fatty acid profile to

>>human milk than any other animal.

>

>>Solution: get a mastiff (maybe you can get a pink one from

>>of " Pink Mastiffs " ) and start milking!

>

>Ha! That made my morning. I'm not , but I'm the one with the

>pinksmastiffs handle. Mine are both boys, so I'm out of luck for

>experimentation....

>

>

Oh, sorry ! I mixed up your name with a who goes by the handle

" Darkmastiffs " . Maybe you've seen her on some of the pet health lists. LOL!

I promise to remember from now on that is pink and is dark.

:-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>