Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 I think it might have to do with residue inhibiting fermentation of various things. Doesn't dissuade me. I use my dishwasher whenever possible. One modern convenience for which i am supremely grateful. I dishwashed my lid and stones from my Harsch crock (damn crock wouldn't fit), although with baking soda and vinegar instead of detergent. Elaine > I have a quick question about dishwashing detergent, for the machine. In NT > Sally Fallon says many times that dishwashing detergent should not be used on > some things, and I personally only use the dishwasher for plates, glasses, and > silverwear, washing everything else by hand. Is this because of the caustic > ingredients in most dishwashing machine detergents, or is it only the highly > commercial ones? I use a bio-degradable soap in my dishwasher, does this > matter? Or is it an issue with residue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 >I have a quick question about dishwashing detergent, for the machine. In NT Sally Fallon says many times that dishwashing detergent should not be used on some things, and I personally only use the dishwasher for plates, glasses, and silverwear, washing everything else by hand. Is this because of the caustic ingredients in most dishwashing machine detergents, or is it only the highly commercial ones? I use a bio-degradable soap in my dishwasher, does this matter? Or is it an issue with residue? > >Thanks, > >Dona I only use it on what you do, and then I use half the amount of detergent. I never use it on my NICE glassware, or anything with paint (measuring cups etc.). The water gets highly alkaline, and it really wrecks glassware, IMO. Also we switched to a gel, because the powder kept getting airborne and I inhaled it. And we use very little of that, because my DH claimed he could taste the residue on the glassware. With our soft water, they didn't rinse all that well. But now things seem fine. I like the dishwasher because it heats the water HOT and sterilizes the food dishes, which is nice when you cook outside the family. Also because I could never get all the grease off. I NEVER use antibacterial soaps though, esp. since we are doing kefir etc. Don't want to kill those good bacteria! -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 actually the ingredients in dishwashing detergent are quite toxic. however, never fear! seventh generation makes a dishwasher detergent that works great and is non-toxic, and i believe ecover does as well. both make liquid dish soaps too (as well as every other cleaner you could need!) i'm not sure there's a non-toxic version of " jet-dry " or whatever those rinse aid no-spots things are, we just live without those. the reason that it's a problem is because the detergent leaves a residue on your dishes, so when you eat off them, you're getting trace amounts of the chemicals in the detergent. -katja At 12:33 PM 5/16/2004, you wrote: > > >I have a quick question about dishwashing detergent, for the > machine. In NT Sally Fallon says many times that dishwashing detergent > should not be used on some things, and I personally only use the > dishwasher for plates, glasses, and silverwear, washing everything else > by hand. Is this because of the caustic ingredients in most dishwashing > machine detergents, or is it only the highly commercial ones? I use a > bio-degradable soap in my dishwasher, does this matter? Or is it an > issue with residue? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Dona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 I think I remember Sally recommending only putting the dishwashing powder in the 1st (opened) container--leave the one you shut closed empty and the dishes will get two rinses of water, rather than 2 washes and one rinse. I don't actually have dishwasher yet, so I don't know if this will clean them adequately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 On Sat, 15 May 2004 21:50:10 -0500 " Dona " <unschool@...> wrote: > I have a quick question about dishwashing detergent, for the machine. In NT Sally Fallon says many times that dishwashing detergent should not be used on some things, and I personally only use the dishwasher for plates, glasses, and silverwear, washing everything else by hand. Is this because of the caustic ingredients in most dishwashing machine detergents, or is it only the highly commercial ones? I use a bio-degradable soap in my dishwasher, does this matter? Or is it an issue with residue? > > Thanks, > > Dona > ly, if the water is hot enough, why use any detergent at all? For my money I would rinse the dishes, throw in a little apple cider vinegar, and be done with it. The *New* Ten Commandments http://tinyurl.com/245sr " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Instead of using Jet-dry, or some other rinse aid for the dishwasher, we set the timer to catch the rinse cycle, and then pour vinegar right into the bottom of the dishwasher. The vinegar cleans off any residue and leaves the dishes sparkling and the glassware without a cloudy film. ~ Fern ----- Original Message ----- From: " katja " > actually the ingredients in dishwashing detergent are quite toxic. however, > never fear! seventh generation makes a dishwasher detergent that works > great and is non-toxic, and i believe ecover does as well. both make liquid > dish soaps too (as well as every other cleaner you could need!) i'm not > sure there's a non-toxic version of " jet-dry " or whatever those rinse aid > no-spots things are, we just live without those. > > the reason that it's a problem is because the detergent leaves a residue on > your dishes, so when you eat off them, you're getting trace amounts of the > chemicals in the detergent. > > -katja > > At 12:33 PM 5/16/2004, you wrote: > > > > >I have a quick question about dishwashing detergent, for the > > machine. In NT Sally Fallon says many times that dishwashing detergent > > should not be used on some things, and I personally only use the > > dishwasher for plates, glasses, and silverwear, washing everything else > > by hand. Is this because of the caustic ingredients in most dishwashing > > machine detergents, or is it only the highly commercial ones? I use a > > bio-degradable soap in my dishwasher, does this matter? Or is it an > > issue with residue? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Dona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 " Fern " <readnwrite@f...> wrote: > Instead of using Jet-dry, or some other rinse aid for the dishwasher, we > set the timer to catch the rinse cycle, and then pour vinegar right into > the bottom of the dishwasher. The vinegar cleans off any residue and leaves > the dishes sparkling and the glassware without a cloudy film. I use a combination of lemon juice and vinegar for the rinse cycle. Gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I just pour vinegar into the " rinse aid " dispenser and don't bother trying to catch the rinse cycle (I often run the beast on a timed delay, so I'm not even around when it's working). I have very hard water here and it's easy to tell when the vinegar is running low -- the hard water spots return... :-) Re: dishwashing Instead of using Jet-dry, or some other rinse aid for the dishwasher, we set the timer to catch the rinse cycle, and then pour vinegar right into the bottom of the dishwasher. The vinegar cleans off any residue and leaves the dishes sparkling and the glassware without a cloudy film. ~ Fern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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