Re: Questions About Soy

[Guest guest]

A sort of aside to your question:

I was reading in a food history book that until a certain period (Han

dynasty, starting about 220BC), soybeans were a sort of unappetizing food of

last resort, and they were usually prepared by just boiling. By the end of

that dynasty 400 years later, the situation had changed because of advances

in fermentation made soybeans edible.

Wheat was in a similar situation, as the main staple was millet (for eating

and brewing), and second was rice. Barley and wheat were considered as

inferior as soybeans. A lot of agricultural advances happened in the

following dynasty with their growing population and development towards

state controlled centralized agricultural planning. Nowadays I think the

perspective has reversed with millet being considered the less nutritious

grain.

During the same time period, it seems that the 5 element theory of Chinese

medicine started to be codified.

(The Food of China, E N , Yale University Press, 1988)

An interesting book.

Have you tried natto? It is a Japanese half fermented soybean mixture that a

lot of Westerners find really disgusting. Its an acquired taste, but I love

the stuff with the traditional raw egg.

(http://www.thejapanesepage.com/natto.htm) Many unappealing comparisons, ha

ha.

Questions About Soy

> I saw this information on a web site. Most of the other stuff I read

> seemed valid, but this part I question. I was under the impression that

> " all " soy was a bad choice. This info makes a distinction.

>

> Please give me your feed back and if you disagree, please tell me based

> on what?This info was taken from:

> http://www.rwood.com/Questions/Food_as_Medicine_Index.htm

>

> " Because of their anti-nutrients, whole soy beans are a bear to digest.

> Unless, that is, they've been properly prepared or processed. Two

> exceptions are black soy and immature soy (edamame). The later are widely

> available as green soybeans in the pod. The black soy beans have such a

> lush, creamy texture and chestnut-like flavor that they're worth seeking

> out. They're available dried from Asian markets and canned from Eden

> Foods.

> With the following two guidelines you can easily chose quality and avoid

> the toxic soy products. At first it will require some label-reading

> vigilance. But, before long you'll identify and then select only the

> trustworthy brand names.

> Two guidelines for selecting quality soy foods:

> 1. Purchase products made from whole beans such as miso, soybean sprouts,

> edamame, tempeh, soy nuts, soy nut butter, soymilk, shoyu, tamari, soy

> sauce and tofu.

> 2. Make sure soybeans are from a quality source. Favor organic soy

> products that contain no GMOs (genetically modified organisms). Sixty

> percent of soybeans on today's market have been genetically modified.

> Soy Products to Avoid:

> Bypass soy foods made from fractionated beans or that contain soy oil.

> Please note that some foods, like soy sauce, tofu and soymilk may be made

> from either whole or fractionated beans.

> Fractionated beans are processed in a way that denatures proteins and

> doesn't remove the anti-nutrients. Such beans are typically dissolved in

> petroleum-based solvents and then extruded at thermoplastic temperatures

> to mold them into desired shapes and textures. If the label lists TVP,

> TSP, soy isolate, or soy protein, then isolate them from your diet.

>

> You'll find these shoddy ingredients in some tofu, soy milk, soy sauce,

> meat analogs and extenders, energy bars, infant formulas, frozen

> desserts, meal replacement and protein drinks, soy cheese and soy deli

> foods.

> Likewise, avoid products that contain soy oil including margarine and

> mayonnaise. Virtually all soy oil currently available in the US is a

> byproduct of the soy industry. It is a highly processed, denatured oil

> that contributes to the formation of free-radicals. "

> Janice

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Wheat was in a similar situation, as the main staple was millet (for eating

>and brewing), and second was rice. Barley and wheat were considered as

>inferior as soybeans. A lot of agricultural advances happened in the

>following dynasty with their growing population and development towards

>state controlled centralized agricultural planning. Nowadays I think the

>perspective has reversed with millet being considered the less nutritious

>grain.

I've always wondered about this myself, as wheat is not the easiest

grain to grow or to mill, so you wonder why it's become this

huge staple crop. What you say about the Chinese might be

part of the answer.

A lot of the push for wheat and soybeans is related to the move

away from meat. In chicken food, for example, the push is

for " vegetarian food " for chickens, plus meat and fish meal cost more.

Wheat has one of the highest

protein contents (and soy) so it makes the chickens grow faster.

Of course, it is the protein part that seems to be problematic,

as one protein string in particular (on wheat, I don't know about soy)

is rather indigestible.

So, land in Asia is at a premium, too many people, which makes it

harder to raise lots of animals. So maybe that is part of the push

toward wheat and soy too.

BTW quinoa is even higher in protein than wheat, but seems to

be easily digested. Tastes good too. One wonders why it

hasn't caught on more.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

I emailed Kaayla and she wrote:

Highly allergic people need to avoid these. Others may find them an appropriate

use of soy and less toxic than other candles. I would make sure they are from

non GMO soy

>

> Hello all,

> I've some questions about soy and when is it okay. I already avoid eating soy

> or using soy lotions or soap - if its not good to eat it, I won't use it on my

> skin either. However, I was wondering about these uses for soy:

>

> soy wax candles

> soy fibers blended with other fiber in yarn

>

> Are either of these acceptable uses of soy or should I avoid these, too?

>

> God bless,

> , the lady in purple, in Oster MN

> Isaiah 26:3

> " The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction,

> is the first and only object of good government. "

> --- Jefferson

>

> PS If you were at the Trad Food picnic and you want the article about the

> Pledge of Allegiance, please send me an e-mail privately. I am behind and

this

> will help me " catch-up " . Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

I emailed Kaayla and she wrote:

Highly allergic people need to avoid these. Others may find them an appropriate

use of soy and less toxic than other candles. I would make sure they are from

non GMO soy

>

> Hello all,

> I've some questions about soy and when is it okay. I already avoid eating soy

> or using soy lotions or soap - if its not good to eat it, I won't use it on my

> skin either. However, I was wondering about these uses for soy:

>

> soy wax candles

> soy fibers blended with other fiber in yarn

>

> Are either of these acceptable uses of soy or should I avoid these, too?

>

> God bless,

> , the lady in purple, in Oster MN

> Isaiah 26:3

> " The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction,

> is the first and only object of good government. "

> --- Jefferson

>

> PS If you were at the Trad Food picnic and you want the article about the

> Pledge of Allegiance, please send me an e-mail privately. I am behind and

this

> will help me " catch-up " . Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

This month Kaala wrote one of those articles you find in Wise Traditions that

make the whole year's subscription worthwhile. It covers the complex but

bedeviling relationship between soy allergins and GLUTEN. This is a whole new

dimension for those trying to get past celiac, Crohns, GAPS, brain fog, mucus

congestion, or any other complication of gluten intolerance. She reminds us

that for a gluten sensitive person just ONE MEAL with gluten can cause illness

for 6 MONTHS after eating it once! If you are still eating soy, ypu won't

after this one. However, remember the super-allergin soybean is found in 60% of

all processed food (just about all commercial bread), and almost 100% of all

fast food!

I was inspired to give a lecture to farmers last Saturday about the importance

of getting rid of all soy in animal rations. (for obvious reasons, I didn't

announce this as the title of the lecture!) I listed 12 reasons why it isn't

good, which got a stunned reaction. I then went into at least 15 alternative

feed ingredients that can easily replace the soy-derived protein fraction of any

ration. Quite a lot of farmers are extremely reluctant to several issues (global

warming, for one) but they get really defensive about people who are trying to

" take their soybeans away " . Even " organic " farmers. They love them most of all

because they are cheap and ubiquitous. Hello..... It's time to change!

Will Winter

WAPF

FTCLDF

[Guest guest]

This month Kaala wrote one of those articles you find in Wise Traditions that

make the whole year's subscription worthwhile. It covers the complex but

bedeviling relationship between soy allergins and GLUTEN. This is a whole new

dimension for those trying to get past celiac, Crohns, GAPS, brain fog, mucus

congestion, or any other complication of gluten intolerance. She reminds us

that for a gluten sensitive person just ONE MEAL with gluten can cause illness

for 6 MONTHS after eating it once! If you are still eating soy, ypu won't

after this one. However, remember the super-allergin soybean is found in 60% of

all processed food (just about all commercial bread), and almost 100% of all

fast food!

I was inspired to give a lecture to farmers last Saturday about the importance

of getting rid of all soy in animal rations. (for obvious reasons, I didn't

announce this as the title of the lecture!) I listed 12 reasons why it isn't

good, which got a stunned reaction. I then went into at least 15 alternative

feed ingredients that can easily replace the soy-derived protein fraction of any

ration. Quite a lot of farmers are extremely reluctant to several issues (global

warming, for one) but they get really defensive about people who are trying to

" take their soybeans away " . Even " organic " farmers. They love them most of all

because they are cheap and ubiquitous. Hello..... It's time to change!

Will Winter

WAPF

FTCLDF