Leaky Gut (was Dairy causing Eczema)

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> Thanks Wanita

> I don't seem able to tolerate zinc - first off it gives me muscle

> weakness, then if I continue to take it, I get slightly shakey! So I

> take the l-glutamine alone

> Jo

Have you used zinc picolinate at all?

Wanita

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Dr. Mercola's latest newsletter has a lupus patient letter

http://mercola.com/2004/may/1/diet_changes.htm

Wanita

> lupus is tricky in that officially pretty much no one knows anything about

> it. (grunt of frustration).

> however, yeah - i'm working with a fellow with lupus and we agreed that

> he'd try going gluten free. also we're using coconut oil and other

> stuff

>

> -katja

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My thought?Eat a paleo diet- it cuts out many offending foods.

Elainie-whose scalp now feels like a baby's and no longer itches.

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> better. OTOH people who have leaky gut really develop a lot of

allergies,

> because proteins are leaking into the blood. Those proteins can

> cause problems even if you are NOT allergic to that substance, just

> because proteins aren't supposed to be in your blood!

Hmmm... Well, what is it that is suggested to heal leaky gut? That

must be my issue...

On another note, I had some cream in my mint tea last night and then

I noticed that my tummy was rumbling afterwards. No bad feeling,

just rumbling, but I know that meant something was up. Sure enough,

my eczema started itching a whole lot a little bit later, enough to

keep me waking up in the night. So, the culprit is dairy. Man, how

I don't want to have problems with dairy as I'm already having

issues with corn, wheat, soy, peanut, almond... Any thoughts out

there?

TIA!

~~Carolyn

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In a message dated 4/27/04 12:40:14 PM, Poofig@... writes:

>

> Is that detailed in NT?  I haven't gotten my grubby little hands on

> the book yet. 

> ~~Carolyn

>

No, a paleo diet is devoid of any grains, starchy vegetables (potatoes),

dairy, beans and legumes etc... it is not detailed in NTmbut is compatible with

NT (as long as you avoid the above foods).

Elainie

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Carolyn-

>Any thoughts out

>there?

Have you tried restricting your dairy to cultured only? You can make a

24-hour yoghurt culture of cream as well as milk, or of half and

half. That might take care of the dairy problem.

-

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>Hmmm... Well, what is it that is suggested to heal leaky gut? That

>must be my issue...

That's the million dollar question! I'm still not clear on exactly what *causes*

it ... it's said to happen when the gut is " damaged " but Dr. Fasano isolated

one chemical ... zonulin ... that gets produced when some people eat some

foods, which basically causes the gut to leak even when it is intact and

undamaged.

However, things like l-glutamine and primal defense have been said to help,

probiotic vegies, and mainly avoiding anything that would irritate the gut.

The " pepto diet " would probably help heal things up too.

>On another note, I had some cream in my mint tea last night and then

>I noticed that my tummy was rumbling afterwards. No bad feeling,

>just rumbling, but I know that meant something was up. Sure enough,

>my eczema started itching a whole lot a little bit later, enough to

>keep me waking up in the night. So, the culprit is dairy. Man, how

>I don't want to have problems with dairy as I'm already having

>issues with corn, wheat, soy, peanut, almond... Any thoughts out

>there?

Try kefirizing the cream? Or avoid it for awhile, see if you can eat it later?

I've been avoiding it, but a couple of days ago I had some and nothing

happened. I DO have an IgA reaction to casein, but it doesn't seem to

be as " deadly " as wheat.

You could also see if you have the same reaction to yogurt? It could

have something to do with the fat part of the cream, for all I know,

maybe hormones or something. My daughter seems to react to cream

where she doesn't to milk products (she gets acne from it).

-- Heidi Jean

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> Have you tried restricting your dairy to cultured only? You can

make a

> 24-hour yoghurt culture of cream as well as milk, or of half and

> half. That might take care of the dairy problem.

>

> -

I shall have to get some kefilli stuff and some jars. <

I've just been buying my yogurt and sour cream out of some manner of

laziness, I guess.

~~Carolyn

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> My thought? Eat a paleo diet- it cuts out many offending foods.

>

> Elainie-whose scalp now feels like a baby's and no longer itches.

Is that detailed in NT? I haven't gotten my grubby little hands on

the book yet.

~~Carolyn

[Guest guest]

> However, things like l-glutamine and primal defense have been said

to help,

> probiotic vegies, and mainly avoiding anything that would irritate

the gut.

> The " pepto diet " would probably help heal things up too.

In opinion out there, what's a good source for l-glutamine?

Also, Doesn't pepto have corn syrup (or some sort of corn-based

thing) and red dye in it? I tried looking for bismuth (the thing in

pepto that's supposed to be good) at Whole Foods here, but had no

luck. Anything corn is a big no no for me. Facial swelling...

ick. Anyone know another bismuth supplement thingy?

TIA!

~~Carolyn

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>> Also, Doesn't pepto have corn syrup (or some sort of corn-based

thing) and red dye in it? I tried looking for bismuth (the thing in

pepto that's supposed to be good) at Whole Foods here, but had no

luck. Anything corn is a big no no for me. Facial swelling...

ick. Anyone know another bismuth supplement thingy? <<

Rather amazingly, no, Pepto doesn't have any form of corn in it. It's sweetened

with saccharine (which I think is actually relatively harmless for an artificial

sweetener, especially just a short term use like this), the active ingredient is

bismuth subsalicylate, and the inactive ingredients are benzoic acid, flavor

(which is pretty obviously peppermint), magnesium aluminum silicate,

methylcellulose, red 22 and red 28, salicylic acid, sodium salicylate, sorbic

acid, and water.

Nothing I'd want to take longterm but as modern drugs go, not so bad. <G>

And also interestingly, there is no other OTC medication with bismuth in it

other than Pepto and its generic equivalents. I know because I wanted to try it

at one point, and I'm allergic to peppermint. There is a prescription drug that

contains bismuth, but it is a combo with an acid suppressor, which I certainly

wouldn't want to take. It's often prescribed for the treatment of h. pylori

infections.

Christie

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> In opinion out there, what's a good source for l-glutamine?

Anyone know another bismuth supplement thingy?

> TIA!

> ~~Carolyn

L-glutamine as long as its in powdered form is the usual recommended. Its

nearly 100% pure then. With l-glutamine the gut healing takes place within a

month or a few rather than what can be years if you just go gluten free.

Was researching whats in kelp actually last night actually. Was surprised to

see it contains bismuth.

Wanita

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Carolyn wrote:

Man, how I don't want to have problems with dairy as I'm already having

issues with corn, wheat, soy, peanut, almond... Any thoughts out there?

Carolyn,

I am someone else who has trouble with all of the above.

Sheryler

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Okay okay so I haven't been paying attention to all the posts. Why does the

pepto work?

Sheryl

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>In opinion out there, what's a good source for l-glutamine?

It is sold as a dietary supplement. It is cheaper though, at the coop as a horse

dietary supplement (if you are game to eating horse supplements ...)

>Also, Doesn't pepto have corn syrup (or some sort of corn-based

>thing) and red dye in it? I tried looking for bismuth (the thing in

>pepto that's supposed to be good) at Whole Foods here, but had no

>luck. Anything corn is a big no no for me. Facial swelling...

>ick. Anyone know another bismuth supplement thingy?

You can buy bismuth compounds at a chemical supply house, if you know

your chemistry. I'll tell you though, I've never had any reaction to Pepto,

nor has anyone I know. Since it can't be patented, I doubt there will

be much competition from the drug companies.

-- Heidi Jean

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>Okay okay so I haven't been paying attention to all the posts. Why does the

pepto work?

>

>Sheryl

If you have bacterial issues in your gut (and most Americans do, it seems)

one thing that can happen is that the bacteria, or their byproducts,

attack the gut lining, setting up an ongoing inflammation. The inflamed

lining can't absorb food right, which leads to more bacterial growth.

It's a vicious cycle ... the bismuth interferes with the bacteria, acting

as an antibiotic of sorts. Though, unlike antibiotics, it doesn't cause

diarrhea, so I'm not sure exactly what it DOES to the bacteria.

At any rate, it gives the gut a chance to heal without bacterial attack.

-- Heidi Jean

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> > In opinion out there, what's a good source for l-glutamine?

>

> Anyone know another bismuth supplement thingy?

> > TIA!

> > ~~Carolyn

>

> L-glutamine as long as its in powdered form is the usual

recommended. Its

> nearly 100% pure then.

I have read it should be taken with zinc to heal leaky gut.

The only source of L-glutamine that I have is tablet form - and not a

particularly good one at that, but it does seem to having a positive

effect on my boyfriend

Jo

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> At any rate, it gives the gut a chance to heal without bacterial

attack.

>

Does that mean I should stop the Primal Defense before trying pepto?

Jo

[Guest guest]

> I have read it should be taken with zinc to heal leaky gut.

> The only source of L-glutamine that I have is tablet form - and not a

> particularly good one at that, but it does seem to having a positive

> effect on my boyfriend

>

> Jo

May have been taking zinc when I took l-glutamine but don't remember. Have

been taking zinc since and hadn't seen these links till after. Celiac here

http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C340881.html does call for zinc,

glutamine and gluten avoidance. Leaky gut doesn't include zinc

http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C22089.html. Does include glutamine,

dairy and gluten avoidance. Have seen that zinc heals the lower intestines

so its a better combo than either alone.

Wanita

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> May have been taking zinc when I took l-glutamine but don't

remember. Have

> been taking zinc since and hadn't seen these links till after.

Celiac here

> http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C340881.html does call for

zinc,

> glutamine and gluten avoidance. Leaky gut doesn't include zinc

> http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C22089.html. Does include

glutamine,

> dairy and gluten avoidance. Have seen that zinc heals the lower

intestines

> so its a better combo than either alone.

Thanks Wanita

I don't seem able to tolerate zinc - first off it gives me muscle

weakness, then if I continue to take it, I get slightly shakey! So I

take the l-glutamine alone, but give both to my partner (he takes all

these pills I give him blindly - it would be so easy to poison him if

I wanted! lol!)

Jo

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Jo wrote:

but give both to my partner (he takes all these pills I give him blindly - it

would be so easy to poison him if I wanted! lol!)

Jo that made me chuckle. My hubby is the same way.

Sheryl

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http://dovedesignsrus.com

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>Does that mean I should stop the Primal Defense before trying pepto?

>

>Jo

I really, really don't know. It won't HURT to take the PD.

But I don't know what effect bismuth has on " good "

bacteria. Like I said, most antibiotics wipe out ALL

bacteria, and cause diarrhea. Pepto does NOT cause diarrhea

(rather, it cures it), so maybe it only affects a certain

class of bactera. Kind of like the antibiotics (salt, garlic, and cayenne)

in kimchi only hinders the " bad " bacteria but leaves the lactobaccilli alone.

But I haven't heard anything definitive on this.

OTOH, you have the issue of multiple variables. I like to

test one thing at a time. Suze, in contrast, tries

everything including the kitchen sink, at once :-) Both are

valid (anything that works!), but it's a style issue. If you

try PD AND PB at the same time, it'll be harder to pinpoint

which did what.

-- Heidi Jean

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In a message dated 4/28/04 4:26:19 PM, wanitawa@... writes:

>

> Isn't lupus linked to gluten? A former boss of mine had lupus. Don't think a

> week went by she didn't need pepto after lunch, sometimes days at a time.

> Few times a years her lupus would get worse and she'd be out of work. Seems

> like diet elimination of some kind should go along with pepto.

>

> Wanita

>

>

From my understanding it is and a person with lupus should avoid all grains,

beans ,dairy etc..

Elainie

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> >> Also, Doesn't pepto have corn syrup (or some sort of corn-based

> thing) and red dye in it? Anything corn is a big no no for me.

Facial swelling...

> ick. Anyone know another bismuth supplement thingy? <<

>

> Rather amazingly, no, Pepto doesn't have any form of corn in it.

It's sweetened with saccharine (which I think is actually relatively

harmless for an artificial sweetener, especially just a short term

use like this), the active ingredient is bismuth subsalicylate, and

the inactive ingredients are benzoic acid, flavor (which is pretty

obviously peppermint), magnesium aluminum silicate, methylcellulose,

red 22 and red 28, salicylic acid, sodium salicylate, sorbic acid,

and water.

Methylcellulose is likely from corn.

Maybe The People's Pharmacy can work out something for me for the

bismuth. Maybe I'll look into that avenue.

~~Carolyn

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> Re: Leaky Gut (was Dairy causing Eczema)

>

>

>

>>Does that mean I should stop the Primal Defense before trying pepto?

>>

>>Jo

>

>I really, really don't know. It won't HURT to take the PD.

>But I don't know what effect bismuth has on " good "

>bacteria. Like I said, most antibiotics wipe out ALL

>bacteria, and cause diarrhea. Pepto does NOT cause diarrhea

>(rather, it cures it), so maybe it only affects a certain

>class of bactera.

Oddly, I had diarrhea for the 11 days I was on Pepto. Only today my stool is

just beginning to be a bit more formed (the day after i stopped the PB).

BUT, I had fasted prior to taking the PB and my body was doing some serious

detoxing, so perhaps the diarrhea was a residual effect of the fasting.

Suze Fisher (the kitchen sink-enator ;-)

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