Re: Ketosis confusion/help -- foggy!

[Guest guest]

I am doing this no-grain diet four days now. Sometimes i get so spaced out,

fumbly and foggy. It scares me. I don't want to be depriving my brain of

oxygen (as i've heard ketosis can induce). I'm not counting carbs and hope

to avoid that, but i'm quite sure i'm eating more than what would induce

ketosis. Could these be withdrawal symptoms from sugar and grain? Last night

i couldn't remember how to put on the duvet covers and my fingers were

fumbly with the buttons. I felt like i had mild dementia. Did any of you

low-carbers start out feeling that way? Does it go away?

Elaine

[Guest guest]

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hello-- When i did an almost no carb diet i felt the same way. I'm

told it's the die off of Candida in your gut. If you can live through

it, all the candida will be dead and you'll be much healthier.

hope

-- In , " Elaine " <itchyink@s...>

wrote:

> I am doing this no-grain diet four days now. Sometimes i get so

spaced out,

> fumbly and foggy. It scares me. I don't want to be depriving my

brain of

> oxygen (as i've heard ketosis can induce). I'm not counting carbs

and hope

> to avoid that, but i'm quite sure i'm eating more than what would

induce

> ketosis. Could these be withdrawal symptoms from sugar and grain?

Last night

> i couldn't remember how to put on the duvet covers and my fingers

were

> fumbly with the buttons. I felt like i had mild dementia. Did any

of you

> low-carbers start out feeling that way? Does it go away?

> Elaine

[Guest guest]

hi elaine,

don't worry. I've been on a very low-carb high-fat diet for several

months (8) and I can assure you that the euphoric dizziness I

initially experienced -quite simmilar to what you describe- subsided

after a couple of weeks, and gave way to a calm, clear-minded yet

quietly energized state. And I must stress the word calm;for my

nerves have never been in such good shape. Moreover i think from

reading about ketosis and observing its so-called effects, that it

must be an elusive somewhat fragile state -one that seems very

difficult to manipulate and maintain as it appears trigerred by a

very variable set of conditions in which habit probably does not play

an insignificant role.which of course is to say nothing either for or

against but simply reiterate the attitude of healthy doubt about

ketosis expressed here and there by the folks at the weston price

foundation. keep it up and be well

> > I am doing this no-grain diet four days now. Sometimes i get so

> spaced out,

> > fumbly and foggy. It scares me. I don't want to be depriving my

> brain of

> > oxygen (as i've heard ketosis can induce). I'm not counting carbs

> and hope

> > to avoid that, but i'm quite sure i'm eating more than what would

> induce

> > ketosis. Could these be withdrawal symptoms from sugar and grain?

> Last night

> > i couldn't remember how to put on the duvet covers and my fingers

> were

> > fumbly with the buttons. I felt like i had mild dementia. Did any

> of you

> > low-carbers start out feeling that way? Does it go away?

> > Elaine

[Guest guest]

>I am doing this no-grain diet four days now. Sometimes i get so spaced out,

>fumbly and foggy. It scares me. I don't want to be depriving my brain of

>oxygen (as i've heard ketosis can induce). I'm not counting carbs and hope

>to avoid that, but i'm quite sure i'm eating more than what would induce

>ketosis. Could these be withdrawal symptoms from sugar and grain? Last night

>i couldn't remember how to put on the duvet covers and my fingers were

>fumbly with the buttons. I felt like i had mild dementia. Did any of you

>low-carbers start out feeling that way? Does it go away?

>Elaine

Heh heh. I got that when I stopped wheat, for about a week. I did

NOT go low carb, I specifically replaced everything with a different

form of carb, so as to make a better experiment. I swapped

rice crackers for rye crackers, wine for beer, potatoes for pasta.

And I felt like I had gotten kicked in the head by a mule. THAT

convinced me that wheat is some kind of drug, at least for me.

It was worse than giving up coffee.

The symptoms went away after a week or so. Then when I ate

some, a month later, I went into a really scary state of

anxiety, anger, and almost disconnection with reality.

I have never eaten any visual amount of it since, that one

time scared me a lot. (contaminated food though, makes me

grouchy and depressed, which is bad enough). Some milk products

make my vision blurry and some other problems, but not the

mass anxiety.

Sugar does not do that to me (even really gooey GF brownies

with coconut/caramel frosting). Nor does rice. I'm not sure

what the reaction is, there is some argument about that among

researchers, but it IS clear that in gluten sensitive people,

MRI scans CHANGE when they eat gluten. Some people think it is

a form of opioid that gets produced, and that opioid can be

detected in the urine. Some people also produce that opioid

from other grains or casein.

Other people think it is a reaction that changes the blood/brain

barrier.

Some people probably react to the carbs, but I don't have

experience with that.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the great replies! We traveled this weekend and i had some of the

crust off some home-cooked fried chicken. Next day -- funky and depressed.

I've also had mild stomach cramping and diarrhea for a few days now. Could

that be candida die-off or just my having a hard time with my increase in

vegetable consumption (about double)? I'm eating mostly cooked veggies. On

the upside, I'm totally amazed at how it rarely occurs to me to crave sugar

or starchy foods, as Christie had mentioned in an earlier post. When it

does, i use a rudimentary EFT as laid out in the No-Grain book and i'll be

darned if it doesn't help tons. Probably bc it's a diversion.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

>We traveled this weekend and i had some of the

>crust off some home-cooked fried chicken. Next day -- funky and depressed.

What was the crust made of? (Mine is sorghum or corn starch with a mess

of spices).

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Congratulations Elaine on sticking to it! It is amazing not to crave carbs

isn't it.

Elainie- recovering lifelong grainaholic

[Guest guest]

I have read one can make fried chicken with arrowrrot as a coating. mI made

fried chicken about 4 months ago-soaked it in buttermilk and used rice

flour/sweet rice/millet flour to coat it.

Elainie

[Guest guest]

it was for sure wheat. it was in a little country kitchen kind of place.

very good and very authentic but i can't imagine it was GF!

Elaine

> From: Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

> Reply-

> Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 00:38:12 -0700

>

> Subject: Re: Ketosis confusion/help -- foggy!

>

>

>> We traveled this weekend and i had some of the

>> crust off some home-cooked fried chicken. Next day -- funky and depressed.

>

> What was the crust made of? (Mine is sorghum or corn starch with a mess

> of spices).

>

> -- Heidi Jean

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/3/04 9:08:40 PM, lafite66@... writes:

> Hi, Elainie.  I'm new here.  Looking for some guidance.  I hope

> you'll have some patience with me.

>

> What conditions do you have that cause your sensitivities to

> various 'common' foods?  And, what do you ultimately think of

> ketosis?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

Hi ,

I'm no ketosis expert, perhaps someone more experienced on this list will

provide more info.

Some think ketosis is no big deal.

As for reactions to various foods, I suspect a long term high grain

vegan/vegetarian diet took it's toll on me and set up a perfect medium ground

for

various disorders as well as having somewhat of acompromised immune system to

begin

with due to being vaccinates as a child etc..

Elainie

[Guest guest]

Hi, Elainie. I'm new here. Looking for some guidance. I hope

you'll have some patience with me.

What conditions do you have that cause your sensitivities to

various 'common' foods? And, what do you ultimately think of

ketosis?

Thanks,

--- In , " Elaine " <itchyink@s...>

wrote:

> Thanks for the great replies! We traveled this weekend and i had

some of the

> crust off some home-cooked fried chicken. Next day -- funky and

depressed.

> I've also had mild stomach cramping and diarrhea for a few days

now. Could

> that be candida die-off or just my having a hard time with my

increase in

> vegetable consumption (about double)? I'm eating mostly cooked

veggies. On

> the upside, I'm totally amazed at how it rarely occurs to me to

crave sugar

> or starchy foods, as Christie had mentioned in an earlier post.

When it

> does, i use a rudimentary EFT as laid out in the No-Grain book and

i'll be

> darned if it doesn't help tons. Probably bc it's a diversion.

> Elaine

[Guest guest]

>I have read one can make fried chicken with arrowrrot as a coating. mI made

>fried chicken about 4 months ago-soaked it in buttermilk and used rice

>flour/sweet rice/millet flour to coat it.

>

>Elainie

Actually just about ANYTHING works on chicken ... ground almonds,

chichirones ... just add some salt and ground dried garlic and

pepper (or Montreal Steak Seasoning for quickies, by McCormick).

I oven-fry mine, out of laziness. Shake and bake, is what I say!

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>it was for sure wheat. it was in a little country kitchen kind of place.

>very good and very authentic but i can't imagine it was GF!

>Elaine

Well, for my money THAT was the cause of the " funky and depressed " .

When I eat a *little* wheat, I get terribly emotional.

When I eat a *lot* of corn, my joints hurt.

When I eat a whole sugary brownie with neither of the above, I get

a little tired and don't feel as energetic.

Anyway, I had fried chicken for lunch with a nice crispy sorghum-seasoning

coating, and Basmati rice, then taught class all afternoon, and feel

basically ok, tho I'd be better with my usual salad and WD dinner. But

if that had been a " country kitchen " kind of fried chicken, my gut

would be aching, I'd be complaining about the uselessness of it all

and probably berating someone and collapsing into a depressed hulk.

Really, it does NOT seem rational, but that wheat stuff kills your brain

" here is your brain on gluten ... sizzle sizzle " .

-- Heidi, the Glutenator

BTW MY " country fried chicken " is really quite nice, and super easy!

Just put some flour (anything without gluten) in a bag, add McCormick's

chicken or steak seasononing, or turmeric, salt, garlick, and cayenne, add

a chicken part, and shake. Then bake at 350 until it smells good (I use a

thermometer

to make sure it reads 140+, no one likes pink chicken in our group). I cook

it on the broiler pan, which ensures it is crispy all over, not soggy.