Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 YEAH EDDIE! I remember how diappointed you were when you gained that weight back. See how much faster it came off. Not that you want to fall of that wagon again but knowing that yuo can get back wha you had faster is something to keep in mind so you dont get discouraged. Yeah!!!! > >Reply-To: bodyforlife >To: <bodyforlife > >Subject: protein question >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:22:44 -0400 > >When does your body need protein the most. before or after workouts? I read >that your smaller intestines absoreb the most protein and takes about 5 >hrs. does anyone know? > >Just to let you all know, I took off 2mo. after my first challenge and am >glad to say that I'm back to where i was at the end of my first challenge!! > Eddie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 YEAH EDDIE! I remember how diappointed you were when you gained that weight back. See how much faster it came off. Not that you want to fall of that wagon again but knowing that yuo can get back wha you had faster is something to keep in mind so you dont get discouraged. Yeah!!!! > >Reply-To: bodyforlife >To: <bodyforlife > >Subject: protein question >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:22:44 -0400 > >When does your body need protein the most. before or after workouts? I read >that your smaller intestines absoreb the most protein and takes about 5 >hrs. does anyone know? > >Just to let you all know, I took off 2mo. after my first challenge and am >glad to say that I'm back to where i was at the end of my first challenge!! > Eddie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 > When does your body need protein the most. before or after > workouts? After, but a protein-and-fat shake, moderate calories with no carbs, is great immediately before and after the workout. You could make those your first two meals of the day, or think of them as one meal and have five more afterwards. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 > Dear Bill; > I agree fully with what they [DiPasquale and Faigin] say. They are absolutely correct, there is one > one problem... they don't tell you what that will do to the rest of the > body!!! Sorry, but you're just plain wrong on that point. There are other cultures that eat hardly any carbs, or which may eat carbs but also eat far more protein and fat, and are healthier than we are (e.g., Eskimos, Cretans). Carb-cycling does NOT cause the body " problems. " < Mom and Dad making their kids finish everything on their plate because " There are starving kids in xxxxxx " is where most of this begins. > I agree with you there. < 2. Carb ingestion isn't the problem, but overeating in general and of high fat items, snack foods, instant meals, fast foods, etc.... THAT'S the problem. > I see you've been taken in by the " fat makes you fat " myth. Truth is, fat - even saturated fat - doesn't make you fat or clog your arteries except in the presence of chronically elevated insulin levels. Hence the advantage of carb-cycling. > 3. We don't drink nearly enough pure water. I agree with that point also. Regards, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 BFL's fine, but there's always more to learn, and not all individuals on this board are at the same point in their learning. If it wasn't for a couple scientifically minded individuals here, I would not have learned the stuff beyond BFL, but BFL is an excellent starting point. Regards, Andy > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book written by Bill that is easily understood and very effective AND what this message board was created for! :-) > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Perhaps, the moderators should then consider an alternative BFL list for those that are not beginning. They could call it BFL-Tweak or Beyond-BFL or NHE-BFL. Just a suggestion. I personally don't have a problem sifting through the messages but I know some people find it irritating. Andyman > > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book > written by Bill that is easily understood and very effective > AND what this message board was created for! :-) > > > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Lana, I tried what Sara is recommending and guess what??? It works!!!! Andyman > Hey Sara! > Great idea! Wish I'd thought of it > Lana > > Re: Re: protein question > > > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book written by > Bill that is easily understood and very effective AND what this > message board was created for! :-) > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Just wanted to put my 2 cents in for what it's worth .... as a newbie, I am finding the talk really confusing when it's about other things rather than strictly BFL. I'm trying my darndest to make this my new life style, and thus engrain certain principles into my head so it'll become like 2nd nature for me. Thus, when I hear someone say not to eat very many carbs after a workout, and then another person says no way, you MUST eat carbs...it's really confusing. Which one is right? Both people obviously think they're right. I am not meaning to point fingers or anything, just telling it like it is from my point of view. For what it's worth! Sherah > > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book > written by Bill that is easily understood and very effective > AND what this message board was created for! :-) > > > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Sara, Actually it was me that said don't have carbs right after a workout because it thwarts fat burning that is all i said and I did post the study to back up my findings. but on the other hand you are right BFL meals should be balanced between protiens and carbs bill > I'm not so sure that one or the other is " right " but I can tell you that if you want to try Body for Life, eliminating carbs is WRONG. That's right.....eliminating carbs for any of the meals is NOT what BFL is about. Each meal should be balanced with carbs and protein. ndy may have found a wonderful program with NHE but, the bottom line is, this is a board for people who are trying to follow the Body for Life program - especially geared to new people - and his information DOES NOT FOLLOW THE BODY FOR LIFE PROGRAM. I don't care if he says it " meshes " well with BFL or whatever.....people trying to do the Body for Life program - especially for the first time - don't need another program that MESHES well!!! > > Sorry to get so fired up about this but, frankly, I don't see why Andy is so bent on " enlightening " people to another program. > > Sara > > Just wanted to put my 2 cents in for what it's worth .... as a > newbie, I am finding the talk really confusing when it's about other > things rather than strictly BFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Yes, I can see where it is confusing since both persons state their opinions as if they were fact. Just remember what you learned from the BFL book and don't get confused by opinions ( " scientific " or not) on this list that refer to other programs. Andyman > > > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book > > written by Bill that is easily understood and very > effective > > AND what this message board was created for! :-) > > > > > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 He says it is because we need to be educated and shouldn't just stop with the BFL program. However, I think that BFL is all the enlightenment that I need for now. I am sure others feel the same. I know others feel differently. We are humans so we will never agree. Andyman > Sorry to get so fired up about this but, frankly, I don't see why Andy is so bent on " enlightening " people to another program. > > Sara > > Just wanted to put my 2 cents in for what it's worth .... as a > newbie, I am finding the talk really confusing when it's about other > things rather than strictly BFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Another great idea is to use BFL as a very fine starting point, and then learn more as one goes along. Wish I'd thought of that one too! Andy > Hey Sara! > Great idea! Wish I'd thought of it > Lana > > Re: Re: protein question > > > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book written by > Bill that is easily understood and very effective AND what this > message board was created for! :-) > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Another great idea is to use BFL as a very fine starting point, and then learn more as one goes along. Wish I'd thought of that one too! Andy > Hey Sara! > Great idea! Wish I'd thought of it > Lana > > Re: Re: protein question > > > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book written by > Bill that is easily understood and very effective AND what this > message board was created for! :-) > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Another great idea is to use BFL as a very fine starting point, and then learn more as one goes along. Wish I'd thought of that one too! Andy > Hey Sara! > Great idea! Wish I'd thought of it > Lana > > Re: Re: protein question > > > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book written by > Bill that is easily understood and very effective AND what this > message board was created for! :-) > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 > That sounds like you think that people who follow NHE instead of BFL are > somehow more " enlightened. " Generally they are, because they've gotten further education as to the science of nutrition. That's not saying they're smarter, just that they've done more reading, which anyone can do. Just read the two books and you'll see that one has far more scientific research in it than the other. That's not putting anyone down, it's just stating an observational fact. Best wishes, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 > That sounds like you think that people who follow NHE instead of BFL are > somehow more " enlightened. " Generally they are, because they've gotten further education as to the science of nutrition. That's not saying they're smarter, just that they've done more reading, which anyone can do. Just read the two books and you'll see that one has far more scientific research in it than the other. That's not putting anyone down, it's just stating an observational fact. Best wishes, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Sherah, That's understandable. In my own case, since I enjoy science, what I did early on was just go by BFL, getting my body used to that basic change. At the same time I continued reading up on the science of nutrition and bodybuilding, and paying close attention to what lots of folks here were posting. Sometimes I was confused, too, but I ended up having to go where the science points. In short, stick with BFL and log your results - but keep an eye on scientific developments as well. Best wishes, Andy > > > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book > > written by Bill that is easily understood and very > effective > > AND what this message board was created for! :-) > > > > > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Sherah, That's understandable. In my own case, since I enjoy science, what I did early on was just go by BFL, getting my body used to that basic change. At the same time I continued reading up on the science of nutrition and bodybuilding, and paying close attention to what lots of folks here were posting. Sometimes I was confused, too, but I ended up having to go where the science points. In short, stick with BFL and log your results - but keep an eye on scientific developments as well. Best wishes, Andy > > > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book > > written by Bill that is easily understood and very > effective > > AND what this message board was created for! :-) > > > > > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Sherah, That's understandable. In my own case, since I enjoy science, what I did early on was just go by BFL, getting my body used to that basic change. At the same time I continued reading up on the science of nutrition and bodybuilding, and paying close attention to what lots of folks here were posting. Sometimes I was confused, too, but I ended up having to go where the science points. In short, stick with BFL and log your results - but keep an eye on scientific developments as well. Best wishes, Andy > > > On the other hand, you could try the Body for Life plan....a book > > written by Bill that is easily understood and very > effective > > AND what this message board was created for! :-) > > > > > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 > Sherah, > > I'm not so sure that one or the other is " right " but I can tell you > that if you want to try Body for Life, eliminating carbs is WRONG. No, not wrong, just not BFL. < I don't care if he says it " meshes " well with BFL or whatever.....people trying to do the Body for Life program - especially for the first time - don't need another program that MESHES well!!! > I don't necessarily disagree with that. I will say, though, that when Deus and some others were posting conflicting messages about various aspects of bodybuilding, I didn't sit there whining about it. I simply read stuff, asked questions, and learned. < Sorry to get so fired up about this but, frankly, I don't see why Andy is so bent on " enlightening " people to another program. > Sara, have you ever noticed that I don't usually post messages introducing new topics? This is because I'm usually answering a question *somebody else* has posted, based on scientific research I've read. Now if someone asks a question, and I've seen research on it that makes sense to me, should I (a) refuse to answer because it's not BFL, ( give an answer I don't really subscribe to but just because it's BFL, or © give the best possible answer I've come across? I've gotten confused myself now and again, and I'm still reading and learning. But I've never whined about having to learn more. Maybe while people are building up their bodies, they should also build up their emotional fortitude and just calm down. Regards, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 > Sherah, > > I'm not so sure that one or the other is " right " but I can tell you > that if you want to try Body for Life, eliminating carbs is WRONG. No, not wrong, just not BFL. < I don't care if he says it " meshes " well with BFL or whatever.....people trying to do the Body for Life program - especially for the first time - don't need another program that MESHES well!!! > I don't necessarily disagree with that. I will say, though, that when Deus and some others were posting conflicting messages about various aspects of bodybuilding, I didn't sit there whining about it. I simply read stuff, asked questions, and learned. < Sorry to get so fired up about this but, frankly, I don't see why Andy is so bent on " enlightening " people to another program. > Sara, have you ever noticed that I don't usually post messages introducing new topics? This is because I'm usually answering a question *somebody else* has posted, based on scientific research I've read. Now if someone asks a question, and I've seen research on it that makes sense to me, should I (a) refuse to answer because it's not BFL, ( give an answer I don't really subscribe to but just because it's BFL, or © give the best possible answer I've come across? I've gotten confused myself now and again, and I'm still reading and learning. But I've never whined about having to learn more. Maybe while people are building up their bodies, they should also build up their emotional fortitude and just calm down. Regards, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 > Sherah, > > I'm not so sure that one or the other is " right " but I can tell you > that if you want to try Body for Life, eliminating carbs is WRONG. No, not wrong, just not BFL. < I don't care if he says it " meshes " well with BFL or whatever.....people trying to do the Body for Life program - especially for the first time - don't need another program that MESHES well!!! > I don't necessarily disagree with that. I will say, though, that when Deus and some others were posting conflicting messages about various aspects of bodybuilding, I didn't sit there whining about it. I simply read stuff, asked questions, and learned. < Sorry to get so fired up about this but, frankly, I don't see why Andy is so bent on " enlightening " people to another program. > Sara, have you ever noticed that I don't usually post messages introducing new topics? This is because I'm usually answering a question *somebody else* has posted, based on scientific research I've read. Now if someone asks a question, and I've seen research on it that makes sense to me, should I (a) refuse to answer because it's not BFL, ( give an answer I don't really subscribe to but just because it's BFL, or © give the best possible answer I've come across? I've gotten confused myself now and again, and I'm still reading and learning. But I've never whined about having to learn more. Maybe while people are building up their bodies, they should also build up their emotional fortitude and just calm down. Regards, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 > Sara, > > Actually it was me that said don't have carbs right after a workout > because it thwarts fat burning that is all i said and I did post the > study to back up my findings. > > but on the other hand you are right BFL meals should be balanced > between protiens and carbs That goes without saying, because BFL meals are *by definition* a balance between carbs and protein. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 > Sara, > > Actually it was me that said don't have carbs right after a workout > because it thwarts fat burning that is all i said and I did post the > study to back up my findings. > > but on the other hand you are right BFL meals should be balanced > between protiens and carbs That goes without saying, because BFL meals are *by definition* a balance between carbs and protein. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 > Sara, > > Actually it was me that said don't have carbs right after a workout > because it thwarts fat burning that is all i said and I did post the > study to back up my findings. > > but on the other hand you are right BFL meals should be balanced > between protiens and carbs That goes without saying, because BFL meals are *by definition* a balance between carbs and protein. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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