RE: Please Help...Looking for nutrition for Autistic Son. ..Using soy now...

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A few years ago there was a magazine that had a several page article on a

doctor on the east coast that was curing autism using heavy metal

detoxification. I also, understand that autism is rising and more children

are getting diagnosed following their 18 month vaccinations. Evidently

there is mercury (thermasol) in all the vaccinations but they are supposed

to be phasing that out.

k

RE: Please Help...Looking for nutrition for Autistic

Son...Using soy now...

>Right, I'm not at all arguing that the genetic research re wheat

>tolerance is not true. I was just saying that there seems to be a link

>between Autism and mercury. Perhaps not every single case, but there

>seems to be a connection in many, many cases. As for gluten

>intolerance, I dont' know if there's any research on this but for those

>who are not genetically disposed to it yet are intolerant, I wonder

>what their mercury or general heavy metal load is?

I haven't seen research on mercurly load and Autism, but there is a high

correlation between high IgA antigliadin levels and Autism. Since most IgA

doesn't get into the blood, it would be a lot more meaningful if they did

the stool test and tested for IgA in the gut. Also there are a lot of IgA

allergies, not just gluten, and all of them throw off the metal balances in

the system big time.

Now, it decidedly a chicken and egg thing, but if we KNOW that IgA allergies

throw off metal balances bit time, and we KNOW that taking away the allergen

cures the illness, and IgA allergies only happen in folks with a genetic

predisposition, the food angle seems really important. Not that I'm in favor

of high heavy-metal diets! But the way IgA allergies work, is that the body

is pre-programmed to recognize certain protein sequences as " enemies " ...

and that will happen with or without mercury exposure.

So, all I'm saying is they are two separate issues. Potentially (probably)

they are more deadly combined. I don't know about autism in Egypt, but they

(and Northern Europe) certainly had their share of Asperger's.

People SHOULD remove all the mercury from everything, but I'm predicting

that when and if that happens, the autism and Asperger rates won't go down.

> Even for those with a genetic predisposition I wonder what sets their

>illness into motion? For the the 30% with the predisposing genes, but

>who *don't* react to wheat...I wonder if there's been any research on

>their mercury/heavy metal/toxin burden AND their detoxification pathway

>abilities as compared to those who DO react to gluten?

Or if they will react later? It would be a good experiment. The current

research seems to indicate that breast feeding is one big factor, and when

cereals are introduced. However, when you listen on the GF groups, a lot of

gluten-sensitive individuals avoid it instinctively. I went without bread

for years and years, not because of any conscious decision, but because of

food aversions. I had to FORCE myself to eat it to be sociable. I'd love to

see some research on that 30%, it would be enlightening.

For folks with the genes for IgA reaction to klebisella, it turns out that

the folks who don't have ankylosing spondylitis also don't have kleb. in

their guts!

>Right - this would make an interesting study!

>

>About 0% of the folks

>>with the " right " genes react strongly to wheat, regardless of their

>>mercury status.

>

>But I thought gluten intolerance is really common among the general

>population, not just those with the " reactive " genes? Isn't that

>basically what the authors of Dangerous Grains concluded? Or are you

>just saying STRONG reactions are not common among those with the " right "

genes?

IgA immune reactions ONLY happen if you have the genes for it, is my

understanding.

They are the deadly kind that mess up your body. I tend to think (and DG

basically

says) that gluten isn't good for anyone's gut, it messes up digestion

(unless maybe you take it with red wine and olive oil ;-) and it may do some

weirdness to the brain (it seems to act as a drug on everyone, which is

probably why it is so popular). But if gluten were as deadly to everyone as

it is to IgA sensitive people, then you wouldn't have all those long-lived

Mediterranean people.

There are a number of IgA allergies, and they are just now beginning to

research them. All of them are nasty, but fairly easy to " fix " . The fix

however, is avoiding the allergen (which is REALLY difficult if the allergen

is a bacteria!).

>Right, but again I'm not arguing that the HLA genes aren't connected to

>IgA allergies. Do you happen to know if the " wrong " HLA genes are

>prevelant among austic folks?

Exactly. Autistic and Asperger folks tend to have the IgA intolerant HLA

genes. My guess is that it is combined with some OTHER gene, and the mix

tends to create the condition.

There are 4 kinds of HLA tho that cause IgA gluten intolerance, and I'd

guess they each might work a little differently (and it's worse if you have

2 or 3 of them combined, or worse if you have the gluten ones AND the casein

one(s). Since the genes are just now being identified, and IgA problems are

just being identified, there isn't as good research as would be nice. It

would be an easy theory to prove or disprove, but most of the testing is

still done by looking for really high levels of IgA antigliadin in the

blood.

Folks with Dermatitis Herpetiformis (absolutely known to be gluten related)

don't test with high IgA in the blood most of the time, even though the DH

is *caused* by IgA deposits on the skin (Which is how they test for it). So

until they do gut IgA testing, we can't prove or disprove the theory.

>Because they tend towards GF/CF intolerance. IF there's no gene

>connection with them, then it still points more toward heavy

>metals/toxins that interrupt normal digestive functions in regards to

>food allergies. Mercury, for example, can and does cause food allergies

>in people who probably wouldn't have any food allergies had they not

>been poisoned with mercury.

But by " food allergies " do you mean IgA or IgG or IgE? IgG and IgE can be

caused by any leaky gut problem (and probably lots of other things) but they

are the ones that can go away, because they aren't so genetically connected.

IgA is " caused " by a gene, but seems to be " triggered " by some event

(pregnancy very often, teenagehood, stress, menopause, virus, bacterial

infection or candida, yeah, you could throw mercury in there too). I don't

know how sure they are about the " trigger " tho because what they really mean

is " now the person can feel the sysmptoms and goes to the doctor " . I'd guess

the person was producing IgA in the gut for long before that, given that 29%

do, and it may have been in the blood before that, given that 11% have it in

their blood. But at some point it gets " bad " and the person " feels sick " .

-- Heidi Jean