Re: Digestive Aids and reversing low HCl production

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> Digestive Aids and reversing low HCl production

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>Ok, so I have pancreatin and Betaine HCl supplements now. Do I take

>them before a meal, during or after?

With, or right before a meal. You want the enzymes to be in your gut at the

same time the food is.

>If it turns out the HCl helps, it is not something i want to take in

>the long term - I would see it as treating a symptom, rather than a

>cause. Does anyone know the cause of low HCl production, and what

>can be done to reverse it?

I think there are probalby multiple causes, but the only one I can think of

offhand is H. pylori. The book " Stomach acid is good for you " is a good

resource on learning about problems with stomach acid production.

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[Guest guest]

>I think there are probalby multiple causes, but the only one I can think of

>offhand is H. pylori. The book " Stomach acid is good for you " is a good

>resource on learning about problems with stomach acid production.

>

>

>Suze Fisher

Hmmm ... interesting. Pepto Bismol kills H. pylori, I read during this

Pepto thread ...

-- Heidi Jean

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>If it turns out the HCl helps, it is not something i want to take in

>the long term - I would see it as treating a symptom, rather than a

>cause. Does anyone know the cause of low HCl production, and what

>can be done to reverse it? Someone has mentioned L-carnitine, but

>suggests I read the book The Carnitine Miracle. Could it be

>deficiency of this amino acid that causes low HCl?

>

>Jo

Dr. , who wrote about this the most, said a person has

to take HCL for life. But for me, I only needed it for a few

months. A lot of folks in the gluten intolerance group seem

to " outgrow " the need for HCL and enzymes ... but this may be

because they DID stop the probable cause of the low HCL,

gluten. (In gluten-intolerant folks, auto-immune antibodies

attack the organs, which tends to make them not produce

those nice little enzymes and acids people need to produce

their food. Sometimes the organs can heal).

As for amino acids ... not digesting foods properly also

causes all kinds of odd shortages in the body. So, if you

take the enzymes, possibly you can GET the l-carnitine from

your food, or manufacture it. But I wouldn't single out any

one food substance ... shortages in B vitamins, vit K, calcium,

magnesium, etc. can also be involved in odd ways. Not that

I'm against taking supplements when needed ... just that

getting your digestion WORKING will solve a lot of problems

miraculously (even if you never pinpoint exactly WHY).

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

> A lot of folks in the gluten intolerance group seem

> to " outgrow " the need for HCL and enzymes ... but this may be

> because they DID stop the probable cause of the low HCL,

> gluten.

So how long would this take? Since last November, I've had gluten

maybe 3-4 times max. So far, I've only got worse.

> As for amino acids ... not digesting foods properly also

> causes all kinds of odd shortages in the body. So, if you

> take the enzymes, possibly you can GET the l-carnitine from

> your food, or manufacture it.

That's what I figured...

But I wouldn't single out any

> one food substance ... shortages in B vitamins, vit K, calcium,

> magnesium, etc. can also be involved in odd ways. Not that

> I'm against taking supplements when needed ... just that

> getting your digestion WORKING will solve a lot of problems

> miraculously (even if you never pinpoint exactly WHY).

That's the key, though getting the digestion working. I'm still

experimenting, but it's been going on for about 2 years now, and I

don't appear to be any closer to a healthy digestive system - in

fact, I seem to be quite a bit further away.

I took my first pancreatin tonight - I felt fuller earlier, but then

I haven't been so hungry today as on other days (extra large meal

last night has kept me going I think). I have also just set my first

set of seeds a-soaking for sprouting tomorrow, so hoping to get lots

of extra vits and minerals from them in a week or so.

Jo

[Guest guest]

>> A lot of folks in the gluten intolerance group seem

>> to " outgrow " the need for HCL and enzymes ... but this may be

>> because they DID stop the probable cause of the low HCL,

>> gluten.

>

>So how long would this take? Since last November, I've had gluten

>maybe 3-4 times max. So far, I've only got worse.

I don't know. Sometimes it takes experimenting ... there could

be other foods that are problematic, or the system

could need healing in some other way. But if you are just

now starting the enzymes, you haven't really tried them

yet, so you can't outgrow them yet. Like you say, getting

the system *absorbing food* is a big part of it.

When they study the villi in the Celiac studies, it does

take 2 years on a GF diet sometimes for them to heal,

and for some folks, they never do. Damage to the liver,

pancreas, gall bladder no one really knows how quickly

or if it recovers. T1 diabetes, for example, is known to

be caused by gluten intolerance in some percent of the

cases, but a GF diet doesn't heal it once the pancreas

is damaged.

But, start with the enzymes ... if they *work* then you

are halfway home.

-- Heidi Jean