Re: Primal Defense may not be okay; new info on

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This is frightening, especially since I recently started having my

7yo daughter take 1 PD every day, since it has been so helpful for me

(I take 2 morn/2 night). I would love to hear a response as well.

Soon.

> Dear Heidi, & Others,

>

> Would you please give me your feedback on this?

>

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> Primal Defense, HSO probiotics: a warning I received

> Date: 5/21/2004 3:27:00 PM ( 3 days ago )

>

> Along with a book ordered called " The IBD Remission Diet " by Jini

> Patel , came a page inserted later by the author that

> essentially withdrew her prior recommendation of Primal Defense.

> Horrified, I searched the Internet and could only find glowing

> testimonials (most of which eventually stemmed from the Garden of

> Life company's own marketing.) I could find nothing from a

> scientific or unbiased source. The inserted warning is frightening.

> Here it is:

>

> " On Page 108 of the IBD remission diet, I suggest that readers may

> want to try a product called Primal Defense after they've been

> completely healed for 3-5 months. I learned of this product from

> numerous readers who wrote in to let me know how well it's worked

> for them. Since I couldn't try the product myself (I've been

> pregnant or breastfeeding for four years and counting,) I

questioned

> numerous respected naturopaths, microbiology professors and

> gastroenterologists for their opinion on the product and all said

it

> looked fine.

>

> However, since meeting the founder and president of Natren Inc.

(top

> quality pro-biotic manufacturer,) Natasha Trenev, I must change my

> opinion of bacterial soil organisms. Natasha is a world renowned

> expert on microorganisms and maintains one of the largest research

> libraries on that topic in the world. She has sent me an entire CD

> ROM of articles, research and clinical data and other scientific

> studies, (most done outside of North America,) outlining why it is

> not safe to consume bacterial soil organisms (like those contained

> in Primal Defense and numerous other products.)

>

> To summarize the research briefly, soil organisms (SO) are spore

> formers, so they make make good competitors for yeast, fungus and

> other pathogens. This is why so many people taking soil organisms

> will initially experience very favorable results. However these

> spores are extremely difficult to kill, surviving sterilants,

> disinfectants, acceleration forces, heat, pressure, radiation and

> many antibiotics.

>

> Strong antibiotics -- like Vancomycin -- can suppress certain

spores.

> Spores are so persistent in the intestines that another round of

> germination may occur after the the drug is stopped. Soil organisms

> can also adapt loose genetic material and incorporate it into their

> cellular structure - the ramifications of which are yet unknown.

> Various soil organisms can also produce harmful peptides, affecting

> hemoglobin in the blood.

>

> It's important to keep in mind that virtually all antibiotic drugs

> were initially developed from soil organisms and as antibiotics

> become more potent, they cause more damage to the host, not just in

> the immediate gut environment, but systematically as well.

>

> In the EU (European Union) the use of soil organisms in animal feed

> is being stringently controlled and questioned at this time. There

> are simply too many questions and unknowns to sanction the use of

> soil organisms for human consumption and one can certainly cannot

> qualify them as safe at this time.

>

> I'm very sorry for any confusion this may have caused you. To be

> honest, this is the very first time I've recommended a product that

> I've not tried and tested exclusively myself -- I admit I was

swayed

> by so many good recommendations from readers. Rest assured that I

> will not do so again!

>

> ****This is the author of the book who wrote the insert.*****

> My sincerest apologies,

> Jini Patel

> July 2003 "

>

> I'm looking forward to your reactions and feedback.

>

> TIA, Bee

[Guest guest]

>In the EU (European Union) the use of soil organisms in animal feed

>is being stringently controlled and questioned at this time. There

>are simply too many questions and unknowns to sanction the use of

>soil organisms for human consumption and one can certainly cannot

>qualify them as safe at this time.

It's really interesting. I can't say I know an answer. I WILL say that

humans have been eating dirt forever ... dogs and chickens

too. Perhaps the fact soil organisms are hard to kill works in

our favor ... the babies eat dirt (they do, too!) and innoculate

their intestines. Picking up a few parasites along the way, in

most cultures! I don't think that nasty infections happen much

in folks who have decently balanced intestines (unfortunately,

a lot of folks don't, and it's hard to know which camp you are in).

Personally I won't eat PD because it has barley in it (or wheatgrass?

I forget). Also because I get plenty of soil microbes without paying for them,

and my digestion has normalized very nicely over the past couple

of years. I suspect that homemade kimchi is full of soil organisms

too ... the cabbage grows in the dirt, and no one sterilizes it before

making kimchi.

Kefir and kefir beer have the most instant effect on my gut though.

They seem pretty safe too.

OTOH I've never heard of anyone actually having *problems* from PD

either. This sounds like something that " could be " a problem, and

it comes from a person who is making a rival product, sounds like.

-- Heidi Jean

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> Primal Defense may not be okay; new info on

>

>

>Dear Heidi, & Others,

>

>Would you please give me your feedback on this?

Bee, this post was posted here earlier and some of us already gave our

opinions on it. Please check the archives.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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