Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Since learning about the works of Dr. Price and reading " Nourishing traditions " Ive been trying to add more fermented foods into my diet. But I dont seem to be able to tolerate them very well. Commercial yogurt is fine I dont seem to have problems with it, but when I use the whey from the yogurt to make kraut and beet kvass it gives me bad gas and bloating sometimes even diarrhea. Does anyone else have this problem? Also, I think I have a zinc deficiency (I have lots of white spots on my nails and horizontal ridges) and I cant seem to fix it. Ive been eating a lot of red meat and occationally oysters and even supplementing with zinc tablets and the white spots keep coming. Im not sure what else i can do about it. Any ideas? Thanks Greg Marcott Missoula MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Mark- >Are >you a group that has interest in fermented foods? I thought you were but I >re-read the group into and there was nothing about it. I don't want to be >off-topic with my focus on it. We absolutely are! And apologies for the misleading group intro; it's years out of date and I keep meaning to update it. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 > Are you a group that has interest in fermented foods? I thought you were but I > re-read the group into and there was nothing about it. I don't want to be > off-topic with my focus on it. > Fermented foods is on topic for this group I would think. You might want to check out this other group as well: Kimchi-Sauerkraut-Cabbage/ regards, Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Hi everyone, We are studying the health benefits of fermenting foods in school right now so I thought I'd pass along some information I found online tonight. This website strongly recommends making your own yogurt, kefir and fermented vegetables. Here are a few recipes. Today marks the end of my Starbuck's habit! I gave myself until the end of the month to start new for 2006. No sweets and no Starbucks! I'm an all or nothing kind of gal, it's easier for me to cut things out than to eat them every once in a while. Fermented foods are to be used as condiments, not as full meals. Kenda " Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have. " - " Oh Lord annointed with the yogurt of the milk-maids worship (Krishna), Oh savior of the fallen, Oh Master of Shiva, please protect me. " -Sanscrit Poem Fermenting is Fun Fermenting your own foods can be a healthy, fun, and nutritious hobby. We feel that anything you can make at home is much better than commercialized foods. We have put together a summary of fermented foods followed by a few recipes. Enjoy. The Power of Microbes: We live in a world dominated by microbes. The Earth¹s microorganisms are able to adapt to almost any environment and thrive. Bacteria have been found in the icy regions of Antarctica, near the surface of volcanic vents in the Atlantic, and even in our digestive tracts. Our civilization is but a pale comparison to the invisible world of microbes that surrounds us. It is likely that these microbes will adapt and survive beyond human existence. It is not surprising that microbes have become experts of adaptation when you consider the evolutionary pressures of their world. They are constantly disrupted by changes in environment, competition from other species, attacks from specialized viruses (i.e. bacteriophages), and a shifting food supply. Imagine trying to survive in a world filled with rampant diseases, famines, hurricanes, and floods, and you¹ll begin to appreciate the world of the microbe. Some microbes have colluded with the competition to form symbiotic relationships. For example, the bacterial strains Streptococcus thermophilus and Lactobacilllus bulgaricus, work together and transform milk into tasty yogurt. The thirty or so strains of bacteria and yeast found in Kefir, a traditional fermented drink of the Caucasians, band together to form complex ecology capable of digesting almost any food source and staving off harmful pathogens. The microbes of Kefir even provide themselves with homes in the form of Kefir grains that are composed of a polysaccharide matrix. Our ancient ancestors did not live in a sterile environment. It is likely that they ingested various microbes found naturally in their foods. Some of these microbes were beneficial to their life while others caused infections and disease. Somewhere along the way in their struggle for survival, our ancestors allied themselves with certain species of microbes. Our intestines have evolved into a perfect microbial farm. We provide these microbes with furnished home and plenty of food, in return, they produce beneficial nutrients and help defend us from pathogens. About a thousand years ago, our ancestors began to experimenting with fermenting their own foods with beneficial strains to prevent spoilage, fight infections, and increase absorption of nutrients. This action further allied our bodies with the microbial world. Benefits of Fermented Foods: Nobel Prize winner Dr. Elie Metchnikoff was one of the first scientists to recognize the benefits of eating fermented foods. His research in the early 1900¹s focused on the Bulgarians. He believed the daily ingestion of yogurt was a major contribution to their superior health and longevity. Today, if you search the Internet on probiotics, you will find an almost endless supply of reasons why ³good bacteria² are good for you. We hope to convince you that fermenting your own foods is cheaper, more fun, and better for you than just popping a pill of freeze dried bacteria. Detoxify and Preserve: If there¹s anything that the microbial world does well, it is detoxifying things. Today, Bacteriologists periodically visit old military facilities in search of new strains of bacteria living off of contaminants in the soil. If you put it in the ground and give them enough time to mutate and evolve, these microbes will find a way to break it down. This probably holds true for any organic chemical. These earthly microbes purify the world. Not only have we been able to use the detoxifying properties of microbes to breakdown nasty substances, such as oil spills, military dumps, and sewer plants, we also use them to detoxify our food and water and increase shelf lives. For centuries, Europeans used wine as a source of clean, durable water. Bulgarians perfected the art of detoxifying and preserving milk (removing the lactose and predigesting the proteins) and transforming it into yogurt and cheese. The Caucasians used Kefir grains for the same purpose: detoxify milk products to make Kefir. Vegetables were also fermented to preserve them from spoilage. Most of the pickled products found on our grocery shelves were at one time a fermented product: pickles, saurkraut, and even catsup (a Chinese word for pickled fish brine). However, since fermentation isn¹t always a uniform process, manufacturers found another way to make these products. Fight Off Infections: Competition between microbes can be fierce. The good bacteria that are normal inhabitants of our intestinal tracts will fight off many foreign intruders. They can be seen as our first line of defense in the war of infection. Scientists have documented many different substances produced by lactobacilli (lactic acid bacteria) that have been found to inhibit harmful microorganisms. For example, lactobacillus acidophilus produces several substances while fermenting milk, including acidolin, acidophillin, lactobacillan, and lactocidin. These substances have been shown to inhibit pathogenic bacteria, such as Salmonella, while leaving other lactobacilli and human cells unharmed These antibiotic agents are found in fermented milk, but not always in a probiotic pill. A 2000 study led by Dr. Chitra N. koon of the University of Alberta, Edmonton, found that fermented milk products, like yogurt, can kill Helicobacter pylori (the ulcer causing bacteria) but that the beneficial bacteria alone cannot. This means that probiotics in pill form would have no effect on H. pylori but that homemade yogurt and Kefir would. Nutritious to Boot: Fermented products are a great source of amino acids, vitamins, and minerals. The process of fermentation increases the amounts of some vitamins. Fermented milk is a great source of energetic B vitamins while fermented vegetables are a great source of Vitamin C. Sauerkraut often served as military rations in ancient armies, most notably the Mongolians, and was used to prevent scurvy. The process of fermentation also increases the bioavailability of these foods. Harnessing the Power of Microbes: Pills versus Food: We have already mentioned earlier that dairy products fermented with lactobacilli have been shown to kill pathogenic bacteria, such as H. pylori, while the lactobacilli alone did not. This means that some of the antibiotic properties of these good bacteria may be missing in the probiotic pills you see on the shelves. Also, you have no way of verifying the potency or vitality of these products. Bacteria are living organisms and must be alive when you eat them in order to reap their benefits. It does no good to ingest dead, good bacteria. Furthermore, good quality probiotics are often very expensive. For instance, a month¹s supply from a popular vendor may cost as much as $80 to $100 per month. With a budget of $100 per month, you can make all the sauerkraut, kefir, and yogurt you¹ll need. Not only will you be getting the benefits of these beneficial bacteria, you will be making delicious and healthy meals as well. The only benefit store probiotics offer is convenience. However, once you get started, fermenting your own foods is very easy. Please Use Caution: Before we get too far into fermenting your own foods, we want to emphasize two caveats of fermentation. First, the process of fermentation is only good for you if it occurs outside of your body. What does this mean? It means that if you ingest foods that provide an abundance of sugar and growth media for bacteria, they will ferment those foods inside of you. An overgrowth of fermentative bacteria in your body can cause all kinds of medical problems, including Crohn¹s Disease, Ankylosing Spondylitis, candidiasis , and Irritable Bowel Syndrome. So the key is to pre-ferment your foods, that is to say, ferment your milk before you eat it. Secondly, please do not eat spoiled fermented foods. In some rare instances, fermented foods can be overtaken by mold or become spoiled. In these cases, throw out the result and start anew. Commercial versus Homemade: In our opinion homemade products are better all around. For one, you do not have to trust a manufacturer with your health. You have total control over what you are eating. You can purchase the best milk and/or vegetables to use. Commercial products are usually geared for taste and not health. In the case of yogurt, this means that commercial yogurt usually has a high lactose content and is usually loaded with sugar. Homemade yogurt can be made to eliminate virtually all of the lactose and will be much fresher than anything you can buy in a store. If the taste isn¹t to your liking, you can add in fresh fruit and/or honey to sweeten it up. Store bought Kefir has the same problems, you have no control over the lactose content in the end product. Another thing to consider is, real Kefir is difficult to find in the store. Quite often a manufacturer will label a product as Kefir when in fact it is not the real thing. In order for Kefir to be real, it needs to made from Kefir grains and not a powdered starter. As for fermented vegetables, such as sauerkraut, most commercial products have been pasteurized and do not contain live cultures. The pasteurization process not only kills the beneficial bacteria, but may also destroy many of the enzymes and nutrients. Commercial sauerkraut may also contain a fair amount of unnatural preservatives. We know that you will find fermenting your own foods at home more rewarding, healthier, cheaper than probiotics, and more enjoying than anything you could purchase in the store. Getting Started So you want to start fermenting your own foods, eh? Glad we could convince you. To get you started we¹ve listed a few easy at home products you can make. 1. Yogurt: Making yogurt is very easy, especially if you own a yogurt maker. We recommend purchasing a Yogourmet Multi they are cheap, easy to use, and can make 2 quarts per batch. You can get a yogurt maker and yogurt starter from a trusted friend at Lucy¹s Kitchen Shop. Once you have a starter and a yogurt maker, all you need is some milk (we recommend using Half-n-Half) and some patience. The directions that come with the maker provide a fermentation of 6 hours. However, we recommend you ferment your yogurt for 24 hours to eliminate all lactose in the yogurt. Any residual lactose could be used as food for bacteria already found in your GI-tract and result in fermentation in your intestines. CAUTION: Those of you following the SC Diet MUST ferment your yogurt for 24 hours in order to stay on the diet. Please refer to page 131 of ³Breaking the Vicious Cycle² for more instructions on making SCD legal yogurt. 2. Kefir: Kefir is a fermented milk product made from Kefir grains. Unlike yogurt, Kefir is made from lactobacillus bacteria and several different yeast organisms and is fermented at room temperature. The most difficult step in making Kefir is getting someone to sell/give you some Kefir grains. It would be impossible for us to give Kefir any justice when there is a website out there that will describe everything and anything you need to know about Kefir. The web site is called Dom¹s Kefir In-site. Dom also sponsors an egroups list you can join to find someone to share Kefir grains with you and to answer any question you may have about Kefir. For those of you on the SC Diet, here are some directions from the wise Dominic about eliminating the lactose in the Kefir: ³I find a good way to eliminate lactose even further is to ferment the kefir per usual (24 hours), strain, then keep the strained kefir in a bottle (at room temperature) for a further 2 -3 days before consuming (ongoing fermentation). I don't keep my strained kefir in the fridge any more, but keep it like this in a cupboard. The kefir is still good even after 6-7 days. One must give the bottle which the kefir is continuously fermenting in, a shake at least once daily. This is so that the microbes (mainly the yeasts) are mixed in well. Other wise one may find a film or colonies of yeast or the acetic acid forming bacteria on top of the kefir. This is safe, but some lactose digesting yeasts may be flourishing mainly in this top layer, shaking will help to distribute them into the kefir, where you want them to do their work (breaking down lactose). This continuous fermentation can also be done in the fridge, but I find that a more pleasant tasting kefir, with markedly reduced lactose is achieved this way, (at room temp.). One can also keep fermenting the kefir, like above, in an air tight bottle. After the second day or so, an effervescent kefir will be produced. But i must point out that the bottle must not be filled more that 3/4 full. Of course, one could also ferment the original kefir for 48 hours, then follow on with the suggestions above. This may further make sure that the lactose content would be eliminated to a greater extent, and possibly in a smaller amount of time.² 3. Sauerkraut: Sauerkraut can be made in several different ways. The traditional recipe involves shredding and pounding fresh cabbage, adding salt, and submerging it under water for several days. The natural bacteria in the cabbage, such as lactobacillus plantarum, will natural begin to ferment the cabbage while the salt inhibits other microbes. You can eliminate the use of salt altogether by innoculating the shredded cabbage and water solution with yogurt starter or Kefir grains. A superior recipe can be found on Aquaman¹s Website. A traditional recipe follows: Ingredients: 1 Fresh Medium Cabbage (red or green) 2 Tablespoons Pickling Salt (Please no iodine, it will kill the bacteria) Distilled Water (or filtered and non-chlorinated) Shred the cabbage. In a large bowl, mix shredded cabbage and salt together. Pound the cabbage mixture to expel the juices. Place pounded cabbage and juices in a medium sized glass jar (1 Quart Sized). Press down firmly on the cabbage. Add distilled water until cabbage is fully submerged. Solution should be at least one inch from the top of the jar. Cover the jar and let sit for 3 to 7 days at room temperature. Store in the refrigerator. Alternatively, one can use Kefir grains to ferment the cabbage, just eliminate the use of salt. 4. Pickled Ginger: Ingredients: 4 lbs fresh ginger root 1 tablespoon pickling salt (no iodine) 1Ž2 package of yogurt starter 1 cup Distilled Water (or filtered and non-chlorinated) Peel and cut ginger into very thin slices. Pound ginger slices to expel juices. Place juices and pounded ginger into a glass jar. Mix with salt and water. Add yogurt starter and seal. Let sit at room temperature for 3 to 5 days. Store in the refrigerator. For more information: Websites: Dom¹s Kefir In-site: How to Make Kefir (The best source for Kefir anywhere). Sauerkraut Fermentation - from the Bacteriology Dept of UW-Wisconsin Weston A Price Org - Lacto-Fermentation Article Lucy¹s Kitchen Shop: A trusted source for yogurt makers and starters. SCD Notes on Yogurt Aquaman¹s Sauerkraut Recipe A Sauerkraut Crock Recipe Kim Chi Recipe Books: Probiotics: Nature's Internal Healers, by Natash Trenev Breaking the Vicious Cycle: Intestinal Health through Diet by Elaine Gottschall. Nourishing Traditions: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats by Sally Fallon, G. Enig, and Kim Waters. Beyond Probiotics, by Ann Gittleman. Acidophilus and Colon Health: How to Prevent Illness, Build Immunity, and Live a Longer, Healthier Life, by Webster. ©2001 The Healing Crow, Inc. All rights reserved. Please direct site commentary or questions to: crow@... The Healing Crow is a nonprofit corporation. Information published by The Healing Crow is intended to expand the knowledge of the reader about health issues. It is not meant to diagnose, prescribe, or replace medical care. Our mission is to educate the public about chronic illnesses and corresponding non-drug related treatments. 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Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Thanks Kenda . . . Super article! . . . Your class must be interesting! I need to try the yogurt and Keflir recipes. I've been making my own sauerkraut and like it much better than commercial types! . . . If anyone wants that recipe, I'll repost it. There are variations using beets, ginger, etc. Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 You're welcome! I'm enjoying the class, although vitamins and minerals were a bit tough to memorize! Right now we're studying rejuvenation, elimination, acid/alkaline balance, food combining and juice therapy. It is much more interesting to me than vitamins and minerals. I have a tough time with vitamins and minerals because I meet near the upper level intake with all vitamins and minerals through my diet yet I am still very low in certain vitamins. I think it is misleading to be taught that if we eat a fabulous diet, we will be healthy. There are some of us that need to supplement no matter how great we eat. Kenda > Thanks Kenda . . . Super article! . . . Your class > must be interesting! > > I need to try the yogurt and Keflir recipes. I've been > making my own sauerkraut and like it much better than > commercial types! . . . > > If anyone wants that recipe, I'll repost it. There are > variations using beets, ginger, etc. > > Hugs, > > Rogene > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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