Re: Stuck - Need encouragement

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I say shelve them for 4 weeks. Measure only every 4 weeks.

Andyman

> Hello all,

>

> I know I have been pretty quiet lately. On deadline at work so time

to

> respond has been pretty slim.

>

> But I do need some thoughts and support to keep my morale up.

>

> After taking a few weeks off after my first challenge (see

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bodyforlife/message/31906 for my

results)I

> started up again. Three weeks off and virtually no change in any

direction.

> Didn't lose but didn't gain. I was phsyched. Now a week and a 1/2

into my

> second challenge and I am STUCK. Cant break below 144#. I am not

losing

> inches and BF is fluctuating in the expected limits 24-26%. HELP.

>

> One of my decisions was to NOT tweak BFL with the exceptions of

doing my ab

> workouts on my cardio days. I did get a HR monitor and find that

my heart

> rate jumps quicker than I thought. An old 10 was above my max heart

rate, so

> I use the HR monitor to judge my intensity level. Just as Les

described he

> does. Is this hurting me. Should I shelve the HR monitor for now.

>

> Should I just be patient and stay away from all measuring devices

for

> several weeks? I mean seriously this is annoyingly slow. But if I

keep at

> it will I eventually break through?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I say shelve them for 4 weeks. Measure only every 4 weeks.

Andyman

> Hello all,

>

> I know I have been pretty quiet lately. On deadline at work so time

to

> respond has been pretty slim.

>

> But I do need some thoughts and support to keep my morale up.

>

> After taking a few weeks off after my first challenge (see

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bodyforlife/message/31906 for my

results)I

> started up again. Three weeks off and virtually no change in any

direction.

> Didn't lose but didn't gain. I was phsyched. Now a week and a 1/2

into my

> second challenge and I am STUCK. Cant break below 144#. I am not

losing

> inches and BF is fluctuating in the expected limits 24-26%. HELP.

>

> One of my decisions was to NOT tweak BFL with the exceptions of

doing my ab

> workouts on my cardio days. I did get a HR monitor and find that

my heart

> rate jumps quicker than I thought. An old 10 was above my max heart

rate, so

> I use the HR monitor to judge my intensity level. Just as Les

described he

> does. Is this hurting me. Should I shelve the HR monitor for now.

>

> Should I just be patient and stay away from all measuring devices

for

> several weeks? I mean seriously this is annoyingly slow. But if I

keep at

> it will I eventually break through?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

You, like Tom and some others in the group seem to be able to exercise at

higher than your " max heart rate " . Nothing wrong with that. All it means is

that the standard formula does not apply to you. That " old 10 " should still

be your 10. Remember, BFL is about high intensity interval training.

On the days I do aerobics, I'll do the 9's and go for the 10 as good as I

can. I wear the HR monitor mainly because of my prior high BP situation and

it helps me watch out for anomalies (unusual changes). However, I give it

all I've got.

On the strength training days, I'll work out first thing in the morning, and

then in the evening I'll add a little treadmill (on the incline) or Nordic

Track, or run, and using my HR monitor, plant my HR between 65-75% of my max

(based on the standard formula) for a solid 20-25 minutes. Some people might

call this a tweak, but if weight is an issue, the book even recommends a

little extra aerobics (if I remember correctly-- jump in gang, if I'm

mistaken). I'll finish off with a protein shake for my sixth meal, take a

shower and hit the sack.

Did you lose nothing in the entire week and a half? Are you the same on D10

as you were on D1? It's possible that, if you really took a break, exercise

and food-wise for the three weeks off, your body needs to readjust to the

regimen. Are

Bottom line: If you feel the HR monitor is tying you down, and you are not

giving your all, by all means shelve it. Just because it works for me,

doesn't mean it will work for you. Patience, Jenn. You're getting there!

Les

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>

>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:33:08 -0400

>

>Hello all,

>

>>snipped<<

>

>After taking a few weeks off after my first challenge (see

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bodyforlife/message/31906 for my results)I

>started up again. Three weeks off and virtually no change in any

>direction.

>Didn't lose but didn't gain. I was psyched. Now a week and a 1/2 into my

>second challenge and I am STUCK. Cant break below 144#. I am not losing

>inches and BF is fluctuating in the expected limits 24-26%. HELP.

>

>One of my decisions was to NOT tweak BFL with the exceptions of doing my ab

>workouts on my cardio days. I did get a HR monitor and find that my heart

>rate jumps quicker than I thought. An old 10 was above my max heart rate,

>so

>I use the HR monitor to judge my intensity level. Just as Les described he

>does. Is this hurting me. Should I shelve the HR monitor for now.

>

>Should I just be patient and stay away from all measuring devices for

>several weeks? I mean seriously this is annoyingly slow. But if I keep at

>it will I eventually break through?

>

>Thanks for your thoughts,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

You, like Tom and some others in the group seem to be able to exercise at

higher than your " max heart rate " . Nothing wrong with that. All it means is

that the standard formula does not apply to you. That " old 10 " should still

be your 10. Remember, BFL is about high intensity interval training.

On the days I do aerobics, I'll do the 9's and go for the 10 as good as I

can. I wear the HR monitor mainly because of my prior high BP situation and

it helps me watch out for anomalies (unusual changes). However, I give it

all I've got.

On the strength training days, I'll work out first thing in the morning, and

then in the evening I'll add a little treadmill (on the incline) or Nordic

Track, or run, and using my HR monitor, plant my HR between 65-75% of my max

(based on the standard formula) for a solid 20-25 minutes. Some people might

call this a tweak, but if weight is an issue, the book even recommends a

little extra aerobics (if I remember correctly-- jump in gang, if I'm

mistaken). I'll finish off with a protein shake for my sixth meal, take a

shower and hit the sack.

Did you lose nothing in the entire week and a half? Are you the same on D10

as you were on D1? It's possible that, if you really took a break, exercise

and food-wise for the three weeks off, your body needs to readjust to the

regimen. Are

Bottom line: If you feel the HR monitor is tying you down, and you are not

giving your all, by all means shelve it. Just because it works for me,

doesn't mean it will work for you. Patience, Jenn. You're getting there!

Les

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>

>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:33:08 -0400

>

>Hello all,

>

>>snipped<<

>

>After taking a few weeks off after my first challenge (see

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bodyforlife/message/31906 for my results)I

>started up again. Three weeks off and virtually no change in any

>direction.

>Didn't lose but didn't gain. I was psyched. Now a week and a 1/2 into my

>second challenge and I am STUCK. Cant break below 144#. I am not losing

>inches and BF is fluctuating in the expected limits 24-26%. HELP.

>

>One of my decisions was to NOT tweak BFL with the exceptions of doing my ab

>workouts on my cardio days. I did get a HR monitor and find that my heart

>rate jumps quicker than I thought. An old 10 was above my max heart rate,

>so

>I use the HR monitor to judge my intensity level. Just as Les described he

>does. Is this hurting me. Should I shelve the HR monitor for now.

>

>Should I just be patient and stay away from all measuring devices for

>several weeks? I mean seriously this is annoyingly slow. But if I keep at

>it will I eventually break through?

>

>Thanks for your thoughts,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

You, like Tom and some others in the group seem to be able to exercise at

higher than your " max heart rate " . Nothing wrong with that. All it means is

that the standard formula does not apply to you. That " old 10 " should still

be your 10. Remember, BFL is about high intensity interval training.

On the days I do aerobics, I'll do the 9's and go for the 10 as good as I

can. I wear the HR monitor mainly because of my prior high BP situation and

it helps me watch out for anomalies (unusual changes). However, I give it

all I've got.

On the strength training days, I'll work out first thing in the morning, and

then in the evening I'll add a little treadmill (on the incline) or Nordic

Track, or run, and using my HR monitor, plant my HR between 65-75% of my max

(based on the standard formula) for a solid 20-25 minutes. Some people might

call this a tweak, but if weight is an issue, the book even recommends a

little extra aerobics (if I remember correctly-- jump in gang, if I'm

mistaken). I'll finish off with a protein shake for my sixth meal, take a

shower and hit the sack.

Did you lose nothing in the entire week and a half? Are you the same on D10

as you were on D1? It's possible that, if you really took a break, exercise

and food-wise for the three weeks off, your body needs to readjust to the

regimen. Are

Bottom line: If you feel the HR monitor is tying you down, and you are not

giving your all, by all means shelve it. Just because it works for me,

doesn't mean it will work for you. Patience, Jenn. You're getting there!

Les

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>

>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:33:08 -0400

>

>Hello all,

>

>>snipped<<

>

>After taking a few weeks off after my first challenge (see

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bodyforlife/message/31906 for my results)I

>started up again. Three weeks off and virtually no change in any

>direction.

>Didn't lose but didn't gain. I was psyched. Now a week and a 1/2 into my

>second challenge and I am STUCK. Cant break below 144#. I am not losing

>inches and BF is fluctuating in the expected limits 24-26%. HELP.

>

>One of my decisions was to NOT tweak BFL with the exceptions of doing my ab

>workouts on my cardio days. I did get a HR monitor and find that my heart

>rate jumps quicker than I thought. An old 10 was above my max heart rate,

>so

>I use the HR monitor to judge my intensity level. Just as Les described he

>does. Is this hurting me. Should I shelve the HR monitor for now.

>

>Should I just be patient and stay away from all measuring devices for

>several weeks? I mean seriously this is annoyingly slow. But if I keep at

>it will I eventually break through?

>

>Thanks for your thoughts,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hmmmm...

I must be like Tom. I don't even seem to break a sweat even when my HR is

at 85% of Max. I think I will not shelve it but I will not let it be the

way I measure my intensity. I will go back to the way I was doing it...how

I felt by using the resistance and speed/step per min etc.

As for the weight loss - nothing in 10 days. Come to think of it. Two years

ago I went on weight watchers and dropped from 165 - 144 and STUCK. This

must be what I have heard referrred to as my Set Point. Damn that set point

. OK I will take Andy's advice and Shelve the measurements and I will

modify Les' advice and not rely on the HR monitor.

Anyone else? What about eating? Are you all really strict eating only what

it on BP authorized list? What about seasonings and condiments. What is

brown rice isn't available will you eat white? Maybe I am not as strict as

I need to be. My husband doesn't cook but I also refuse to carry the burden

of taking care of all our dinners so a few times a week we eat take out. I

think I am making wise choices when we do this. Grilled Chx salads from the

Italian place, Steamed Chix and Veggies with black bean or ginger sauce from

Chinese, Chix Vindaloo w/ plain naan from Indian and pulled pork or chix

from bbq with corn and green beans.

Am I being too lax? Hmmmm.....

>

>Reply-To: bodyforlife

>To: bodyforlife

>Subject: Re: Stuck - Need encouragement

>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:05:47 +0000

>

>,

>

>You, like Tom and some others in the group seem to be able to exercise at

>higher than your " max heart rate " . Nothing wrong with that. All it means is

>that the standard formula does not apply to you. That " old 10 " should still

>be your 10. Remember, BFL is about high intensity interval training.

>

>On the days I do aerobics, I'll do the 9's and go for the 10 as good as I

>can. I wear the HR monitor mainly because of my prior high BP situation and

>it helps me watch out for anomalies (unusual changes). However, I give it

>all I've got.

>

>On the strength training days, I'll work out first thing in the morning,

>and

>then in the evening I'll add a little treadmill (on the incline) or Nordic

>Track, or run, and using my HR monitor, plant my HR between 65-75% of my

>max

>(based on the standard formula) for a solid 20-25 minutes. Some people

>might

>call this a tweak, but if weight is an issue, the book even recommends a

>little extra aerobics (if I remember correctly-- jump in gang, if I'm

>mistaken). I'll finish off with a protein shake for my sixth meal, take a

>shower and hit the sack.

>

>Did you lose nothing in the entire week and a half? Are you the same on D10

>as you were on D1? It's possible that, if you really took a break, exercise

>and food-wise for the three weeks off, your body needs to readjust to the

>regimen. Are

>

>Bottom line: If you feel the HR monitor is tying you down, and you are not

>giving your all, by all means shelve it. Just because it works for me,

>doesn't mean it will work for you. Patience, Jenn. You're getting there!

>

>Les

>

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>

>

> >

> >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:33:08 -0400

> >

> >Hello all,

> >

> >>snipped<<

> >

> >After taking a few weeks off after my first challenge (see

> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bodyforlife/message/31906 for my results)I

> >started up again. Three weeks off and virtually no change in any

> >direction.

> >Didn't lose but didn't gain. I was psyched. Now a week and a 1/2 into my

> >second challenge and I am STUCK. Cant break below 144#. I am not losing

> >inches and BF is fluctuating in the expected limits 24-26%. HELP.

> >

> >One of my decisions was to NOT tweak BFL with the exceptions of doing my

>ab

> >workouts on my cardio days. I did get a HR monitor and find that my

>heart

> >rate jumps quicker than I thought. An old 10 was above my max heart rate,

> >so

> >I use the HR monitor to judge my intensity level. Just as Les described

>he

> >does. Is this hurting me. Should I shelve the HR monitor for now.

> >

> >Should I just be patient and stay away from all measuring devices for

> >several weeks? I mean seriously this is annoyingly slow. But if I keep

>at

> >it will I eventually break through?

> >

> >Thanks for your thoughts,

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hmmmm...

I must be like Tom. I don't even seem to break a sweat even when my HR is

at 85% of Max. I think I will not shelve it but I will not let it be the

way I measure my intensity. I will go back to the way I was doing it...how

I felt by using the resistance and speed/step per min etc.

As for the weight loss - nothing in 10 days. Come to think of it. Two years

ago I went on weight watchers and dropped from 165 - 144 and STUCK. This

must be what I have heard referrred to as my Set Point. Damn that set point

. OK I will take Andy's advice and Shelve the measurements and I will

modify Les' advice and not rely on the HR monitor.

Anyone else? What about eating? Are you all really strict eating only what

it on BP authorized list? What about seasonings and condiments. What is

brown rice isn't available will you eat white? Maybe I am not as strict as

I need to be. My husband doesn't cook but I also refuse to carry the burden

of taking care of all our dinners so a few times a week we eat take out. I

think I am making wise choices when we do this. Grilled Chx salads from the

Italian place, Steamed Chix and Veggies with black bean or ginger sauce from

Chinese, Chix Vindaloo w/ plain naan from Indian and pulled pork or chix

from bbq with corn and green beans.

Am I being too lax? Hmmmm.....

>

>Reply-To: bodyforlife

>To: bodyforlife

>Subject: Re: Stuck - Need encouragement

>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:05:47 +0000

>

>,

>

>You, like Tom and some others in the group seem to be able to exercise at

>higher than your " max heart rate " . Nothing wrong with that. All it means is

>that the standard formula does not apply to you. That " old 10 " should still

>be your 10. Remember, BFL is about high intensity interval training.

>

>On the days I do aerobics, I'll do the 9's and go for the 10 as good as I

>can. I wear the HR monitor mainly because of my prior high BP situation and

>it helps me watch out for anomalies (unusual changes). However, I give it

>all I've got.

>

>On the strength training days, I'll work out first thing in the morning,

>and

>then in the evening I'll add a little treadmill (on the incline) or Nordic

>Track, or run, and using my HR monitor, plant my HR between 65-75% of my

>max

>(based on the standard formula) for a solid 20-25 minutes. Some people

>might

>call this a tweak, but if weight is an issue, the book even recommends a

>little extra aerobics (if I remember correctly-- jump in gang, if I'm

>mistaken). I'll finish off with a protein shake for my sixth meal, take a

>shower and hit the sack.

>

>Did you lose nothing in the entire week and a half? Are you the same on D10

>as you were on D1? It's possible that, if you really took a break, exercise

>and food-wise for the three weeks off, your body needs to readjust to the

>regimen. Are

>

>Bottom line: If you feel the HR monitor is tying you down, and you are not

>giving your all, by all means shelve it. Just because it works for me,

>doesn't mean it will work for you. Patience, Jenn. You're getting there!

>

>Les

>

>==========================================

>You're watching the Teeny Tiny TV Network!

>http://www.teenytinytv.net

>

>

> >

> >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:33:08 -0400

> >

> >Hello all,

> >

> >>snipped<<

> >

> >After taking a few weeks off after my first challenge (see

> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bodyforlife/message/31906 for my results)I

> >started up again. Three weeks off and virtually no change in any

> >direction.

> >Didn't lose but didn't gain. I was psyched. Now a week and a 1/2 into my

> >second challenge and I am STUCK. Cant break below 144#. I am not losing

> >inches and BF is fluctuating in the expected limits 24-26%. HELP.

> >

> >One of my decisions was to NOT tweak BFL with the exceptions of doing my

>ab

> >workouts on my cardio days. I did get a HR monitor and find that my

>heart

> >rate jumps quicker than I thought. An old 10 was above my max heart rate,

> >so

> >I use the HR monitor to judge my intensity level. Just as Les described

>he

> >does. Is this hurting me. Should I shelve the HR monitor for now.

> >

> >Should I just be patient and stay away from all measuring devices for

> >several weeks? I mean seriously this is annoyingly slow. But if I keep

>at

> >it will I eventually break through?

> >

> >Thanks for your thoughts,

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Glad to read your post, I was wondering about you.

This is week 7 of my 2nd challenge and I swear it was

just yesterday that I started feeling better about my

body. My results from C1 were pretty good then I took

a week off before starting C2. In the beginning I felt

like I was getting doughy again and was pretty

frustrated. How could one week off (still did cardio

2x) make that much of a difference?

But last night I was flexing and noticing that my

upper body is really beginning to shed some of the fat

and show the muscles I've been working hard to grow. I

can't tell you what will happen on your venture but I

do know that I've had to be *very* patient and I'm

beginning to pick up steam again.

> I mean seriously this is annoyingly

> slow. But if I keep at

> it will I eventually break through?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Glad to read your post, I was wondering about you.

This is week 7 of my 2nd challenge and I swear it was

just yesterday that I started feeling better about my

body. My results from C1 were pretty good then I took

a week off before starting C2. In the beginning I felt

like I was getting doughy again and was pretty

frustrated. How could one week off (still did cardio

2x) make that much of a difference?

But last night I was flexing and noticing that my

upper body is really beginning to shed some of the fat

and show the muscles I've been working hard to grow. I

can't tell you what will happen on your venture but I

do know that I've had to be *very* patient and I'm

beginning to pick up steam again.

> I mean seriously this is annoyingly

> slow. But if I keep at

> it will I eventually break through?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Glad to read your post, I was wondering about you.

This is week 7 of my 2nd challenge and I swear it was

just yesterday that I started feeling better about my

body. My results from C1 were pretty good then I took

a week off before starting C2. In the beginning I felt

like I was getting doughy again and was pretty

frustrated. How could one week off (still did cardio

2x) make that much of a difference?

But last night I was flexing and noticing that my

upper body is really beginning to shed some of the fat

and show the muscles I've been working hard to grow. I

can't tell you what will happen on your venture but I

do know that I've had to be *very* patient and I'm

beginning to pick up steam again.

> I mean seriously this is annoyingly

> slow. But if I keep at

> it will I eventually break through?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I know what you mean about being stuck. I feel like I'm in a rut as

well. So I decided to " tweak " (ducking Lana's swat) and add extra

cardio in the eves. I'm also waiting exactly one hour after WO's

before my first meal. We'll see how this goes.

Good luck, and stay the path.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

I know what you mean about being stuck. I feel like I'm in a rut as

well. So I decided to " tweak " (ducking Lana's swat) and add extra

cardio in the eves. I'm also waiting exactly one hour after WO's

before my first meal. We'll see how this goes.

Good luck, and stay the path.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

I know what you mean about being stuck. I feel like I'm in a rut as

well. So I decided to " tweak " (ducking Lana's swat) and add extra

cardio in the eves. I'm also waiting exactly one hour after WO's

before my first meal. We'll see how this goes.

Good luck, and stay the path.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

Thanks , you gave me some really great ideas!!

I love this groups:)

leigh

florida

> Here's some ideas, .

>

> - Use your heart rate monitor to test your morning heart rate,

resting,

> before you get out of bed. If you're overtraining or not getting

enough

> rest, it will be higher. (Of course, you don't have a base line,

but it is

> something to watch.)

>

> - Do some journal keeping. Specifically:

> * Write out what you hope to achieve--specifically--in

this 12-week

> challenge. Write it on a 3x5 card. Stick the card next to your

bed or tape

> it to your bathroom mirror. Look at the card before you go to bed

and first

> thing in the morning.

> * Write out WHY it is important to you to achieve your

goals.

> Really. If it is because you want to look stunning for a special

event,

> write it down. If it is because you don't want to die young from

some

> lifestyle illness, write it down. It isn't important if they are

GOOD or

> BAD reasons--they are your reasons. Really dig down deep and

figure it out.

>

> * Once you've written your reasons in some long letter to

yourself,

> simplify them into short statements. Put those on another 3x5 card

and look

> at them every day.

> * Now write down WHAT things will keep you from achieving

those

> goals. Again, there is no right or wrong answers. Maybe the

things that

> get in your way is looking at fashion magazines and thinking you'll

never

> look like that. Or maybe it is staying up too late so you're too

tired (one

> of my problems). Maybe it is simply not planning ahead for gym

times, meal

> plans, workouts, whatever.

> * Now write down what things will help you achieve the

goals.

> (Typically it is things to work around the ones in the previous

list, but

> there may be more.) Planning meals the night before, calling a

friend

> whenever you feel like not going to the gym, grocery shopping on

special

> days, whatever works.

> * Put your list of things that get in the way and things

that enable

> you on a third 3x5 card. Look at that card every day.

>

> - I think your instinct is right to stay away from measuring

devices.

>

> - Have you changed up your exercises? Your body is amazingly

adaptive.

> If you keep doing the same strength training exercises over and

over, your

> body adapts and doesn't grow. Same thing with cardio. Change it

up as much

> as possible. If you need ideas for new exercises, I'm sure the

folks around

> here can help.

>

> - Realize that this is a plateau, nothing more. Your real

purpose is to

> adopt a healthy lifestyle (at least I think that's your purpose).

Keep

> going. Everyone around here will try to help you get motivated.

>

> - Oh yeah!! Reward positive behaviors rather than successes at

the

> scale. If you're doing the work, really hitting the 10s, eating

right,

> you're deserve a reward! If you are really doing it, success will

> come--eventually.

>

> --

>

..

[Guest guest]

HR monitors are crap. I have had them tell me my heart rate was 195

and one time I think one told me it was over 200. I had a echo cardio

stress test done because of the way I was puhing the cardio. I made

it a little over twenty minutes on the treadmill. Every 3 minutes it

would go up in incline and speed. I was on 14% or 16%,I think that

later,(CRS)at 6 mph. I did better than a kid that played soccer. They

wanted to get my heart rate to 185. It reached 180 in the 6th phase

and would not go up any more. It was the hardest I ever worked. There

is no cooling down. They stop the machine and you quickly hop on a

table so they can do their ultra sound. I stopped because my heart

rate wouldn't go up. I most likley could have held out to the end. I

wish I would have. I was gasping for air when I stopped running. It

was like I couldn't get enough. So those Hr monitors on the machines

and such just don't cut it for accuracy.

> Hmmmm...

>

> I must be like Tom. I don't even seem to break a sweat even when

my HR is

> at 85% of Max. I think I will not shelve it but I will not let it

be the

> way I measure my intensity. I will go back to the way I was doing

it...how

> I felt by using the resistance and speed/step per min etc.

>

> As for the weight loss - nothing in 10 days. Come to think of it.

Two years

> ago I went on weight watchers and dropped from 165 - 144 and STUCK.

This

> must be what I have heard referrred to as my Set Point. Damn that

set point

> . OK I will take Andy's advice and Shelve the measurements and I

will

> modify Les' advice and not rely on the HR monitor.

>

> Anyone else? What about eating? Are you all really strict eating

only what

> it on BP authorized list? What about seasonings and condiments.

What is

> brown rice isn't available will you eat white? Maybe I am not as

strict as

> I need to be. My husband doesn't cook but I also refuse to carry

the burden

> of taking care of all our dinners so a few times a week we eat take

out. I

> think I am making wise choices when we do this. Grilled Chx salads

from the

> Italian place, Steamed Chix and Veggies with black bean or ginger

sauce from

> Chinese, Chix Vindaloo w/ plain naan from Indian and pulled pork or

chix

> from bbq with corn and green beans.

>

> Am I being too lax? Hmmmm.....

>

>

> >From: " Les S. " <lschachter@h...>

> >Reply-To: bodyforlife@y...

> >To: bodyforlife@y...

> >Subject: Re: Stuck - Need encouragement

> >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:05:47 +0000

> >

> >,

> >

> >You, like Tom and some others in the group seem to be able to

exercise at

> >higher than your " max heart rate " . Nothing wrong with that. All it

means is

> >that the standard formula does not apply to you. That " old 10 "

should still

> >be your 10. Remember, BFL is about high intensity interval

training.

> >

> >On the days I do aerobics, I'll do the 9's and go for the 10 as

good as I

> >can. I wear the HR monitor mainly because of my prior high BP

situation and

> >it helps me watch out for anomalies (unusual changes). However, I

give it

> >all I've got.

> >

> >On the strength training days, I'll work out first thing in the

morning,

> >and

> >then in the evening I'll add a little treadmill (on the incline)

or Nordic

> >Track, or run, and using my HR monitor, plant my HR between 65-75%

of my

> >max

> >(based on the standard formula) for a solid 20-25 minutes. Some

people

> >might

> >call this a tweak, but if weight is an issue, the book even

recommends a

> >little extra aerobics (if I remember correctly-- jump in gang, if

I'm

> >mistaken). I'll finish off with a protein shake for my sixth meal,

take a

> >shower and hit the sack.

> >

> >Did you lose nothing in the entire week and a half? Are you the

same on D10

> >as you were on D1? It's possible that, if you really took a break,

exercise

> >and food-wise for the three weeks off, your body needs to readjust

to the

> >regimen. Are

> >

> >Bottom line: If you feel the HR monitor is tying you down, and you

are not

> >giving your all, by all means shelve it. Just because it works for

me,

> >doesn't mean it will work for you. Patience, Jenn. You're getting

there!

> >

> >Les

> >

> >==========================================

> >You're watching the Teeny Tiny TV Network!

> >http://www.teenytinytv.net

> >

> >

> > >From: " Mullen " <mullenjennifer@h...>

> > >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:33:08 -0400

> > >

> > >Hello all,

> > >

> > >>snipped<<

> > >

> > >After taking a few weeks off after my first challenge (see

> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bodyforlife/message/31906 for my

results)I

> > >started up again. Three weeks off and virtually no change in any

> > >direction.

> > >Didn't lose but didn't gain. I was psyched. Now a week and a 1/2

into my

> > >second challenge and I am STUCK. Cant break below 144#. I am

not losing

> > >inches and BF is fluctuating in the expected limits 24-26%. HELP.

> > >

> > >One of my decisions was to NOT tweak BFL with the exceptions of

doing my

> >ab

> > >workouts on my cardio days. I did get a HR monitor and find

that my

> >heart

> > >rate jumps quicker than I thought. An old 10 was above my max

heart rate,

> > >so

> > >I use the HR monitor to judge my intensity level. Just as Les

described

> >he

> > >does. Is this hurting me. Should I shelve the HR monitor for

now.

> > >

> > >Should I just be patient and stay away from all measuring

devices for

> > >several weeks? I mean seriously this is annoyingly slow. But if

I keep

> >at

> > >it will I eventually break through?

> > >

> > >Thanks for your thoughts,

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

One more thought on nutrition, .

You mentioned you're taking advantage of some take-out food options. If you really want to break through your plateau, I'd give those up. Just for a few weeks. I bet they are helping you retain fluid--they are so high in sodium and other stuff you don't really need.

A friend of mine (who turned me on to BFL) says "You know, it isn't that critical that food taste wonderful at every meal. Just eat the food. On your free day, focus on wonderful taste and delicious meals. In the meantime, eat the can of tuna plain. It is just to fuel your body.)

I kind of like this idea--plus it makes the times you want to indulge really special.

--

[Guest guest]

YOu know what? this is so true, and I never really thought about it

like that:)

leigh

florida (who still cant get the cottage cheese thing, but will try to

look at it like that *fuel*)

> A friend of mine (who turned me on to BFL) says " You know, it isn't

that

> critical that food taste wonderful at every meal. Just eat the

food. .

>

> --

[Guest guest]

Lana,

I started April 9th I believe. My first free day was

Easter and boy was that a killer. Talk about being on

a mission and eating all of the candy and other food I

could put my hands on!

--- Lana wrote:

> ....

>

> Didn't you start on April 1st? I started April

> 2nd...

> I remember when we started. Seems like yesterday!

> Hard to believe it's

> been 5 months now! (6 for me, I actually did a

> little " pre-bfl " )

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[Guest guest]

Lana,

I started April 9th I believe. My first free day was

Easter and boy was that a killer. Talk about being on

a mission and eating all of the candy and other food I

could put my hands on!

--- Lana wrote:

> ....

>

> Didn't you start on April 1st? I started April

> 2nd...

> I remember when we started. Seems like yesterday!

> Hard to believe it's

> been 5 months now! (6 for me, I actually did a

> little " pre-bfl " )

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[Guest guest]

Ummm, I think that's a little high. I went to the ER last year for heart palpitations and they immediately injected me with some sort of calcium channel blockers to stop my heart when it got up to 210. I was immediately referred to a cardiologist who did a heart catheterization and a procedure to "fix" my heart.

-----Original Message-----From: Mullen Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 6:11 PMTo: bodyforlife Subject: RE: Stuck - Need encouragementThat is what I think too.That is what confused me because the point at which I can't do any more is well beyond my Max HR of 189. It's probably more like 210 or more. Shouldn't I be passing out at this...hmm? Is my ticker in better or worse shape than the rest of me?Or am I just a freak? Don't answer that

[Guest guest]

Jen,

There are other plans, good ones, for getting more and more fit.

Despite your decision not to tweak BFL, don't get stuck in the dead-

end thinking that BFL is the be-all and end-all of fitness. It

isn't. It's a *fantastic* plan, but if you're plateauing, there's no

reason you shouldn't consider other plans to shake things up. Check

out the links beneath my name.

Best wishes,

Andy

http://www.extique.com/nhe.html

http://www.metabolicdiet.com/index2.htm

http://www.weightsnet.com/Docs/barry.period.html

http://www.dragondoor.com/

> Hello all,

>

> I know I have been pretty quiet lately. On deadline at work so time

to

> respond has been pretty slim.

>

> But I do need some thoughts and support to keep my morale up.

>

> After taking a few weeks off after my first challenge (see

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bodyforlife/message/31906 for my

results)I

> started up again. Three weeks off and virtually no change in any

direction.

> Didn't lose but didn't gain. I was phsyched. Now a week and a 1/2

into my

> second challenge and I am STUCK. Cant break below 144#. I am not

losing

> inches and BF is fluctuating in the expected limits 24-26%. HELP.

>

> One of my decisions was to NOT tweak BFL with the exceptions of

doing my ab

> workouts on my cardio days. I did get a HR monitor and find that

my heart

> rate jumps quicker than I thought. An old 10 was above my max heart

rate, so

> I use the HR monitor to judge my intensity level. Just as Les

described he

> does. Is this hurting me. Should I shelve the HR monitor for now.

>

> Should I just be patient and stay away from all measuring devices

for

> several weeks? I mean seriously this is annoyingly slow. But if I

keep at

> it will I eventually break through?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

OK that is scarey... But even when my HR is that high I don't feel " off " ...I

will keep the HR monitor on for safety. The only heart condition I have

ever sufferred is called PAT - Paroxysmal Atrial Tachychardia. It is not

life threatening. Basically my heart skips a beat when it happens. SO i

think I am OK and there is no hisotry of heart condtition.

Heart palpitations are different from a HR that is intentionally pushed to

the limit. 200 is scarey if that is your HR at rest. But when you are

pushing a 10 I don't think it is that concerning. Anyone have any more

educated opinions?

>

>Reply-To: bodyforlife

>To: <bodyforlife >

>Subject: RE: Stuck - Need encouragement

>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:01:15 -0400

>

>Ummm, I think that's a little high. I went to the ER last year for heart

>palpitations and they immediately injected me with some sort of calcium

>channel blockers to stop my heart when it got up to 210. I was immediately

>referred to a cardiologist who did a heart catheterization and a procedure

>to " fix " my heart.

>

> RE: Stuck - Need encouragement

>

>

> That is what I think too.

>

> That is what confused me because the point at which I can't do any more

>is

> well beyond my Max HR of 189. It's probably more like 210 or more.

> Shouldn't I be passing out at this...hmm? Is my ticker in better or

>worse

> shape than the rest of me?

> Or am I just a freak? Don't answer that

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That's similiar to my problem, Jen. I have PSVT, Paroxysmal Supraventricular Tachycardia. Basically, I had an extra "electrical pathway" in my heart that would occasionally cause an extra beat in my heart, which caused the palpitations. They told me mine wasn't life threatening until I was no longer able to stop the palpitations by myself. They had to go in and close the extra pathway by scarring it with radiofrequency.

You're probably right, though, that it's not too high as long as it's not a resting heart rate. I personally can't get my heart rate over 150 now no matter how hard I work.

-----Original Message-----From: Mullen Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:22 AMTo: bodyforlife Subject: RE: Stuck - Need encouragementOK that is scarey... But even when my HR is that high I don't feel "off"...I will keep the HR monitor on for safety. The only heart condition I have ever sufferred is called PAT - Paroxysmal Atrial Tachychardia. It is not life threatening. Basically my heart skips a beat when it happens. SO i think I am OK and there is no hisotry of heart condtition.Heart palpitations are different from a HR that is intentionally pushed to the limit. 200 is scarey if that is your HR at rest. But when you are pushing a 10 I don't think it is that concerning. Anyone have any more educated opinions?

[Guest guest]

Radiofrequency ablation, my Dad had that done ( I am adopted )

I haven't had an episode since my early teens....so hopefully it wont ever

get that far for me. MAy I ask, how old were you when you had to have the

procedure and what was you overall health like at the ime?

>

>Reply-To: bodyforlife

>To: <bodyforlife >

>Subject: RE: Stuck - Need encouragement

>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:09:53 -0400

>

>That's similiar to my problem, Jen. I have PSVT, Paroxysmal

>Supraventricular Tachycardia. Basically, I had an extra " electrical

>pathway " in my heart that would occasionally cause an extra beat in my

>heart, which caused the palpitations. They told me mine wasn't life

>threatening until I was no longer able to stop the palpitations by myself.

>They had to go in and close the extra pathway by scarring it with

>radiofrequency.

>

>You're probably right, though, that it's not too high as long as it's not a

>resting heart rate. I personally can't get my heart rate over 150 now no

>matter how hard I work.

>

> RE: Stuck - Need encouragement

>

>

> OK that is scarey... But even when my HR is that high I don't feel

> " off " ...I

> will keep the HR monitor on for safety. The only heart condition I have

> ever sufferred is called PAT - Paroxysmal Atrial Tachychardia. It is not

> life threatening. Basically my heart skips a beat when it happens. SO i

> think I am OK and there is no hisotry of heart condtition.

>

> Heart palpitations are different from a HR that is intentionally pushed

>to

> the limit. 200 is scarey if that is your HR at rest. But when you are

> pushing a 10 I don't think it is that concerning. Anyone have any more

> educated opinions?

>

>

>

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