Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding until now!

[Guest guest]

Beautifully written!

>

> > I have heard the same argument put forward regarding pain and

> > trauma for suggesting it is better to give birth by C section.

In

> > the UK smacking children has been banned and I think as adults

many

> > of us might agree. However I was interested to find out from my

> > children that a smack or a brief shout was least upsetting

whereas

> > time out or even worse a long patronising lecture were the

things

> > they hated most. I am always being reminded how foolish

assumptions

> > can be.

>

[Guest guest]

Beautifully written!

>

> > I have heard the same argument put forward regarding pain and

> > trauma for suggesting it is better to give birth by C section.

In

> > the UK smacking children has been banned and I think as adults

many

> > of us might agree. However I was interested to find out from my

> > children that a smack or a brief shout was least upsetting

whereas

> > time out or even worse a long patronising lecture were the

things

> > they hated most. I am always being reminded how foolish

assumptions

> > can be.

>

[Guest guest]

She's new and doesn't know. You are a good sis!

> >

> >> I have heard the same argument put forward regarding pain and

> >> trauma for suggesting it is better to give birth by C section.

In

> >> the UK smacking children has been banned and I think as adults

many

> >> of us might agree. However I was interested to find out from my

> >> children that a smack or a brief shout was least upsetting

whereas

> >> time out or even worse a long patronising lecture were the

things

> >> they hated most. I am always being reminded how foolish

assumptions

> >> can be.

> >

>

>

> Brown Waxman

> www.celebrate4health.com

> www.bebabywise.com

> info@...

>

[Guest guest]

She's new and doesn't know. You are a good sis!

> >

> >> I have heard the same argument put forward regarding pain and

> >> trauma for suggesting it is better to give birth by C section.

In

> >> the UK smacking children has been banned and I think as adults

many

> >> of us might agree. However I was interested to find out from my

> >> children that a smack or a brief shout was least upsetting

whereas

> >> time out or even worse a long patronising lecture were the

things

> >> they hated most. I am always being reminded how foolish

assumptions

> >> can be.

> >

>

>

> Brown Waxman

> www.celebrate4health.com

> www.bebabywise.com

> info@...

>

[Guest guest]

I am a wonderful sis aren't I!!! - also though, some topics are more relevant

to certain countries and so folk who don't live there may not feel so

passionately about them yet at the same time have compassion.

I for one have learned a great deal about circumcision from these discussions -

I didn't have my boys circumcised but I now feel much better equipped to defend

my reasons and also to help my boys understand why.

Thanks for that

Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding

until now!

>

>She's new and doesn't know. You are a good sis!

>

>

>> >

>> >> I have heard the same argument put forward regarding pain and

>> >> trauma for suggesting it is better to give birth by C section.

>In

>> >> the UK smacking children has been banned and I think as adults

>many

>> >> of us might agree. However I was interested to find out from my

>> >> children that a smack or a brief shout was least upsetting

>whereas

>> >> time out or even worse a long patronising lecture were the

>things

>> >> they hated most. I am always being reminded how foolish

>assumptions

>> >> can be.

>> >

>>

>>

>> Brown Waxman

>> www.celebrate4health.com

>> www.bebabywise.com

>> info@...

>>

>

>

Brown Waxman

www.celebrate4health.com

www.bebabywise.com

info@...

[Guest guest]

I am a wonderful sis aren't I!!! - also though, some topics are more relevant

to certain countries and so folk who don't live there may not feel so

passionately about them yet at the same time have compassion.

I for one have learned a great deal about circumcision from these discussions -

I didn't have my boys circumcised but I now feel much better equipped to defend

my reasons and also to help my boys understand why.

Thanks for that

Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding

until now!

>

>She's new and doesn't know. You are a good sis!

>

>

>> >

>> >> I have heard the same argument put forward regarding pain and

>> >> trauma for suggesting it is better to give birth by C section.

>In

>> >> the UK smacking children has been banned and I think as adults

>many

>> >> of us might agree. However I was interested to find out from my

>> >> children that a smack or a brief shout was least upsetting

>whereas

>> >> time out or even worse a long patronising lecture were the

>things

>> >> they hated most. I am always being reminded how foolish

>assumptions

>> >> can be.

>> >

>>

>>

>> Brown Waxman

>> www.celebrate4health.com

>> www.bebabywise.com

>> info@...

>>

>

>

Brown Waxman

www.celebrate4health.com

www.bebabywise.com

info@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Reg,

Good to hear from you. I’ve missed our discussions.

The difference in our approach is that I am trying to talk about this particular issue but more importantly thinking in general in analogue relative terms whereas correct me if I am wrong you are thinking in more digital absolute terms.

You think in this discussion circumcision is just plain wrong and that it should be stopped. I personally have not chosen it myself but I would not assume to judge those who have. My world is one of different shades of grey and I am happy to put circumcision into a mixed bag of all the things we do to our children and be humble enough to say for all I know my children might think my way of bringing them up was worse than another family who had their sons circumcised.

The difficulty with stepping into a world of absolutes, moralising and concepts is that we tend to make blanket statements that never hold up to reality. If we say circumcision is bad for boys because.......inevitably we will find circumcised children who are happier than uncircumcised ones etc. I know plenty of happy, contented, peaceful Jewish men who appear to have wonderful family relationships. Many of my original macrobiotic teachers were Jewish and circumcised and although they would not necessarily have their own children circumcised they did not feel it had any noticeable influence on their lives.

Why not just speak your opinion without using more judgemental language? Do you achieve more or less by potentially upsetting people to make a point? Probably less because the other person just becomes defensive.

Even the statements that are made can appear inconsistent and contradictory. If it was the pain you object to, would you support birth by C section? There is far more information on the physical and emotional traumas of birth. Personally I do not think it is that simple and there are a huge number of factors that contribute to a happy childhood. I am not sure that circumcision comes particularly high on the list but I would be interested in hearing a range of opinions from circumcised men.

Another member made an interesting point about circumcision being an act of violence and that as a result circumcised men might be more violent. This would be very easy to research as we could simply compare Catholics with Jews and see if Jewish men demonstrate a greater tendency to violence. Having grown up in a country where circumcision is not the norm and been involved in motor cycle gangs and drugs as a youth I can assure you that uncircumcised men are perfectly capable of violence in all forms.

I always find it endearing that some Americans feel that the world begins and ends within US borders. Like this group the world is a huge multi cultural community and whatever happens in Africa, Europe, Russia, China, India, Canada, Mexico etc will influence the lives of US citizens – you are not somehow exempted from the rest of the worlds problems. Bird flu, financial crisis, AIDS, environmental disasters, war and nature have no respect for artificial boundaries painted across the sand by men. It may be that the ‘it’s sad but on the other side of the line so not our problem’ attitude is dangerously insular and leaves communities open to being left in a shrinking bubble of complacency.

Love to hear your views, as always,

Simon

You make a good point about the other atrocities in life. The good

thing about language is there are always other words. In this

society which is focused on negativity there are always other words

to use. The fact remains that although those actions you mentioned

ARE more damaging to a group of people why would it mean that circ is

NOT barbaric?

Barbarian " is a pejorative term for an uncivilized, uncultured

person, either in a general reference to a member of a nation or

ethnos perceived as having an inferior level of civilization, or in

an individual reference to a brutal, cruel, insensitive person whose

behaviour is unacceptable in the purportedly civilized society of the

speaker. While the latter sense is always pejorative, the former one

has not invariably been so

Rape and molestation may not seem as bad as those wars either, does

it mean we should go for it?

Klara mentioned that most women she knows walk out of the room when

their son was circ'd. She said that most found it impossible to

watch (paraphrasing here Klara.........) These women couldn't bear

to watch but gave their child (one who was given to them to love,

cherish and guard) to someone to endure this.

We are not in Africa therefore such claims don't show much merit to

me. ly if they kept their privates in their pants AIDS wouldn't

be spread through sex at such great volume either. I'm not saying

AIDS is not a tragedy....... My best friend, a girl I grew up with

died from AIDS I know the suffering of such a disease. But

abstinence does have its points too. I read many stories where men

were spreading AIDS to young women because it was believed if they

had sex with virgins it wasn't transmitable.

Even if what you say is true (I can find articles and studies that

show flesh consumption is healthy) there are better ways to control

AIDS rather than slice off part of millions of boys penis' to make

sure they are not the ones to spread AIDS later on in life. At what

risk do we hurt society?

Much love,

Reg

> >>>> > >

> >>>>> > >> Everything in the Bible is symbolic of something much

deeper than the

> >>>>> > >> silly literal. Focusing on the literal holds us back

from the beauty

> >>>>> > >> that will come from the words as you realize, all the

> >>>>> > >> parables/stories, which are Outside representations,

really represent

> >>>>> > >> what is WithIN US. We can choose to look withOUT, at the

literal

> >>>>> > >> things of the world, and follow, hold rituals, repeat

certain words,

> >>>>> > >> ..but it is good to make all these things happen withIN.

They are all

> >>>>> > >> stories about you, ..not other people and things. That's

just my

> >>>>> > >> understanding and what I've gathered through my

experience. Of course

> >>>>> > >> we can all choose how we want to interpret it. I am a

little less

> >>>>> > >> interested in the physical, literal, outward stuff, and

more

> >>>>> > >> interested in the spiritual, metaphorical, inward stuff,

which I

> >>>>> > >> believe helps us to bring about transmutation and true

alchemy. Is

> >>>>> > >> there a story about Abraham being willing to slaughter

his son on an

> >>>>> > >> alter, or is it a story about us, and how we need to be

willing to

> >>>>> > >> sacrifice our own carnal nature(child of the world) on

the altar,

> >>>>> > >> which is our hearts, ..to the True God, -which only

loves spiritual

> >>>>> > >> sacrifice? Again, we all have the right to interpret as

we wish.

> >>>>> > >>

> >>>>> > >> Blessings and hope that all will keep their minds open

for their

> >> own sake.

> >>>>> > >>

> >>>>> > >> amy---

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Reg,

Good to hear from you. I’ve missed our discussions.

The difference in our approach is that I am trying to talk about this particular issue but more importantly thinking in general in analogue relative terms whereas correct me if I am wrong you are thinking in more digital absolute terms.

You think in this discussion circumcision is just plain wrong and that it should be stopped. I personally have not chosen it myself but I would not assume to judge those who have. My world is one of different shades of grey and I am happy to put circumcision into a mixed bag of all the things we do to our children and be humble enough to say for all I know my children might think my way of bringing them up was worse than another family who had their sons circumcised.

The difficulty with stepping into a world of absolutes, moralising and concepts is that we tend to make blanket statements that never hold up to reality. If we say circumcision is bad for boys because.......inevitably we will find circumcised children who are happier than uncircumcised ones etc. I know plenty of happy, contented, peaceful Jewish men who appear to have wonderful family relationships. Many of my original macrobiotic teachers were Jewish and circumcised and although they would not necessarily have their own children circumcised they did not feel it had any noticeable influence on their lives.

Why not just speak your opinion without using more judgemental language? Do you achieve more or less by potentially upsetting people to make a point? Probably less because the other person just becomes defensive.

Even the statements that are made can appear inconsistent and contradictory. If it was the pain you object to, would you support birth by C section? There is far more information on the physical and emotional traumas of birth. Personally I do not think it is that simple and there are a huge number of factors that contribute to a happy childhood. I am not sure that circumcision comes particularly high on the list but I would be interested in hearing a range of opinions from circumcised men.

Another member made an interesting point about circumcision being an act of violence and that as a result circumcised men might be more violent. This would be very easy to research as we could simply compare Catholics with Jews and see if Jewish men demonstrate a greater tendency to violence. Having grown up in a country where circumcision is not the norm and been involved in motor cycle gangs and drugs as a youth I can assure you that uncircumcised men are perfectly capable of violence in all forms.

I always find it endearing that some Americans feel that the world begins and ends within US borders. Like this group the world is a huge multi cultural community and whatever happens in Africa, Europe, Russia, China, India, Canada, Mexico etc will influence the lives of US citizens – you are not somehow exempted from the rest of the worlds problems. Bird flu, financial crisis, AIDS, environmental disasters, war and nature have no respect for artificial boundaries painted across the sand by men. It may be that the ‘it’s sad but on the other side of the line so not our problem’ attitude is dangerously insular and leaves communities open to being left in a shrinking bubble of complacency.

Love to hear your views, as always,

Simon

You make a good point about the other atrocities in life. The good

thing about language is there are always other words. In this

society which is focused on negativity there are always other words

to use. The fact remains that although those actions you mentioned

ARE more damaging to a group of people why would it mean that circ is

NOT barbaric?

Barbarian " is a pejorative term for an uncivilized, uncultured

person, either in a general reference to a member of a nation or

ethnos perceived as having an inferior level of civilization, or in

an individual reference to a brutal, cruel, insensitive person whose

behaviour is unacceptable in the purportedly civilized society of the

speaker. While the latter sense is always pejorative, the former one

has not invariably been so

Rape and molestation may not seem as bad as those wars either, does

it mean we should go for it?

Klara mentioned that most women she knows walk out of the room when

their son was circ'd. She said that most found it impossible to

watch (paraphrasing here Klara.........) These women couldn't bear

to watch but gave their child (one who was given to them to love,

cherish and guard) to someone to endure this.

We are not in Africa therefore such claims don't show much merit to

me. ly if they kept their privates in their pants AIDS wouldn't

be spread through sex at such great volume either. I'm not saying

AIDS is not a tragedy....... My best friend, a girl I grew up with

died from AIDS I know the suffering of such a disease. But

abstinence does have its points too. I read many stories where men

were spreading AIDS to young women because it was believed if they

had sex with virgins it wasn't transmitable.

Even if what you say is true (I can find articles and studies that

show flesh consumption is healthy) there are better ways to control

AIDS rather than slice off part of millions of boys penis' to make

sure they are not the ones to spread AIDS later on in life. At what

risk do we hurt society?

Much love,

Reg

> >>>> > >

> >>>>> > >> Everything in the Bible is symbolic of something much

deeper than the

> >>>>> > >> silly literal. Focusing on the literal holds us back

from the beauty

> >>>>> > >> that will come from the words as you realize, all the

> >>>>> > >> parables/stories, which are Outside representations,

really represent

> >>>>> > >> what is WithIN US. We can choose to look withOUT, at the

literal

> >>>>> > >> things of the world, and follow, hold rituals, repeat

certain words,

> >>>>> > >> ..but it is good to make all these things happen withIN.

They are all

> >>>>> > >> stories about you, ..not other people and things. That's

just my

> >>>>> > >> understanding and what I've gathered through my

experience. Of course

> >>>>> > >> we can all choose how we want to interpret it. I am a

little less

> >>>>> > >> interested in the physical, literal, outward stuff, and

more

> >>>>> > >> interested in the spiritual, metaphorical, inward stuff,

which I

> >>>>> > >> believe helps us to bring about transmutation and true

alchemy. Is

> >>>>> > >> there a story about Abraham being willing to slaughter

his son on an

> >>>>> > >> alter, or is it a story about us, and how we need to be

willing to

> >>>>> > >> sacrifice our own carnal nature(child of the world) on

the altar,

> >>>>> > >> which is our hearts, ..to the True God, -which only

loves spiritual

> >>>>> > >> sacrifice? Again, we all have the right to interpret as

we wish.

> >>>>> > >>

> >>>>> > >> Blessings and hope that all will keep their minds open

for their

> >> own sake.

> >>>>> > >>

> >>>>> > >> amy---

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

OOPS! I meant to say that Yeshua( " Jesus " ) is NOT exactly what people

in the religion box think he is. We're getting closer to the Truth,

though, as we are in a much more intelligent open-minded generation,

now. The Laws will provide the Truth when we make ourselves ready. I

don't mean to get all " religous " . It's hard for me to answer

questions about my experience, without including the spiritual

aspects, ..because it's really all spiritual. That's all there is, in

everything.

I hate to get all " weird " on everyone here on this macrobiotics forum.

It sort of makes me feel bad, and I wouldn't mind stepping out, if

it's really not what is wanted here, so please let me know if I

shouldn't be talking about this stuff, k everyone?

To be honest, I've had psychic abilities since I was very small. I

think my mom does, a little, too, because I remember seeing a dark

spirit in our home. He would show himself in our mirror, and was

tall, thin and wore a top hat, ..sort of like Abraham Lincolnish.. I

noticed him as I'd pass by the mirror, standing behind me. Then one

day, I overheard my mom describing a " ghost in our home that she saw,

who showed himself in the mirror, wearing a black top hat. " We always

had a lot of paranormal activity in our home. Pots and pans banging

in the kitchen.. We'd all be together in one room, and we'd hear, very

loudly, someone running down the hallway. I've had " visitors " follow

me all my life. My husband, who is not at all connected to the Other

Side, did not appreciate it when we got married and no matter where we

moved, light bulbs exploded around us, things moved, ..other stuff

probably shouldn't get into here. On the Other Side, when they

recognize that someone " physically alive " Hears and Sees them, they

are extremely attracted to them. They want to talk and be heard.

They want to tell their stories. I've said, they're just like us,

here. Every personality you could imagine. My grandmother came to me

in the form of a small child and told me secrets about some abuse that

happened to her in her childhood. She said she couldn't move forward

until she released those negative memories, so she asked me to take

them from her. That was a painful experience, because I had to

witness what happened to her. Many years later, an aunt whispered to

me that my grandmother had been horribly abused as a small child. I

never told her I already knew. So, some of it is annoying. Some is

perfectly fine and I'm willing to be helpful if I can. I was never

good at understanding why I had what I had, or how to control it. It

weighed on me a lot. I had a distant cousin who I'd never met, come

up to me upon meeting me for the first time, and she gasped and said

in my ear, " You have IT, too, don't you? I'm so sorry. It's very

difficult, isn't it? " So, maybe it's in the family. I know I have a

number of cousins who also regularly experience the paranormal, seeing

the future, etc..

I've had severe health problems all my life and tried a lot of meds to

help me with pain and sleep. This is really personal for me, but waht

happened about four years ago, is; I was desperate for sleep and

relief of my pain. My doctor gave me something I knew was too strong

for me. If I even took a little, I felt like I couldn't breathe. My

nose would swell until I couldn't breath through my nostrils and my

heart and breathing would slow so much I would struggle just to take a

simple breath. I was hysterical with pain that night, though. My

doctor had laughed at me when I told him the med. was too strong and

said, I wasn't even taking enough, and that I could easily triple it,

and do fine. I was literally at the point where I didn't care

anymore, and decided that maybe I was just being too dramatic and was

a wimp. So, I tripled my dose and went to bed. It was very quick. I

hardly even struggled. I think I was trying to get air for a little

bit, but it was too hard and I didn't even want to fight anymore. It

almost felt good to give in. As soon as I left my body, I felt so

free. Not even having to breath. I don't know how long I was gone.

Neither does my husband. The reason I " came back " was because I

started to consciously think about my children and how they needed me.

I didn't like the idea of being " dead " . It just felt completely

wrong. I didn't feel that I was done at all, with my life. Leaving

my body was easy, but coming back was an intense fight. In fact, it

still amazes me how hard I had to try to get back into my body.

That's a long story. Eventually, I got back in, but found that I was

in a coma. That was really scary. It's very strange to be awake and

aware, inside a body that is completely asleep, ..exactly like dead

weight. I couldn't even twitch a finger. My eyes were rolled back

into my head. My husband found me and was sure I was dead. He picked

me up and my body was completely lifeless. I was barely breathing. I

was only like that for a short time, so don't get me wrong and think I

was in a coma for a long time. My husband's energy, when he touched

me, pulled my body back into life, slowly. If I could somehow tell

people who have loved ones in a comatose state, how important it is to

touch the comatose victim, ..oh my word! It is so, so important. We

have a physical energy that transmits from one body to another and as

we touch each other we give life energy and comatose victims

absolutely must be touched to be awakened. The energy from other

people is like plugging the body into an electrical outlet and turning

it back on. The victim can rarely wake the body on their own. I would

love to just go into a hospital and pick up a comatose victim and hold

them in my arms and rock them in a rocking chair for eight hours or

so. But you know what " ward " they'd send me to, if I got caught doing

that. It's not good to have sick little infants left in incubators

without being touched, either. They ought to pay people to stay with

the infant and keep physically touching them until they are healthy

again. Human energy is unbelievably powerful and healing, as I saw on

the Other Side.

I'm very open about my experience, yet, I'm careful, because I grew up

realizing that when you speak of things that other people can't relate

to, they either think you're crazy or " filled with the devil " . This

experience has been difficult for me, because it involved seeing some

very mind-opening things about the universe, that if I spoke about it,

would make my religion seem extremely incomplete and even way off in

some areas. It about makes every religion seem ridiculous.. except

for Buddhism and gnosticism, I think. I get nervous to talk about

what I was shown, because in my religion, we are taken to court and

" disciplined " sort-of, if we say anything that doesn't support

Mormonism. Personally, I'd have no problem with that, ..even getting

excommunicated, ..but I have a huge family with members, high up in

the hierarchy of our religion. I also have in-laws who'd freak out..

Sigh.. Basically, everyone would go bezerko on me. My husband is very

supportive because he's witnessed so much. There's so much he can't

deny.

After I came back, we never went to the hospital. I didn't know how

in the world I'd explain. I also knew I was o.k. But when I came

back, my abilities were about ten times stronger. I don't want to go

into it too much here, but I could basically See both worlds at the

same time, all the time. Immediately, I was going in and out of

visions, and beautiful things were happening all around us. My

husband and children could feel it, too. It was so awesome. Hard to

describe. I had a certain " Messenger " come and give me about two

hours worth of information. All four of my small children witnessed

it and were there for the whole thing. That's an experience I should

probably only speak of in private, as well. He told me a little of

who I'd been in past lives, but mostly just directed me for where to

go and what to do in the future, and warned me of certain Earth

changes, etc. My oldest daughter who also has similar " Abilities "

knew as soon as she saw the Messenger that he was " of God " , as she said.

Very soon after my N.D. exp., I was in the kitchen trying to prepare

food for my family. I reached into the fridge and pulled out some

frozen ground beef. The Spirit(Higher Self) was very strong and

connected to me at that time. I was led/guided by it for at least two

weeks straight. As I set the beef on the counter, I was STRONGLY

REBUKED. I felt that the Spirit was more than disgusted. It

commanded me to never partake of dead flesh. I was overwhelmed with

confusion. I'd never heard anything like that before. I was so

dense, I just stood there thinking, " WHY?!! " I really could not

comprehend it. I was told that not only is it contaminated, but that

it would fill my body with " death " and disconnect me from the

spiritual line that guided me. " That is death and suffering. " The

Spirit does not condone killing animals for the enjoyment of their

flavor, or to obtain protein. I was told to only partake of that

which has life and to keep my body pure if I wanted to stay

" connected. " This story goes a little further, but again, too many

details for right now.

I know all of this sounds so bizarre. Yah, that's my life-story.

Sorry. I know others don't experience the same, so of course I don't

expect anyone to agree or even believe me, but I am what I am. I am

here, because I am shown that those in this forum are much further

toward Awakening to the " Third Eye " than the general population, and

that what is studied and understood here, will be closely aligned in

many ways to what I was shown about order and sense in the universe.

So this is where I need to be for now. Throughout the next five

years, there will be an enormous amount of others who will begin to

Awaken and experience a connection to the other side. We are going

through a paramount change in our little galaxy right now, and we will

all see some incredible things happen, as the " Veil " becomes thinner

and thinner. It's a necessary part of our human evolution.

Thanks also, for your interest and respect. I don't know how I'd pull

off a book without revealing myself to everyone in my religious

community and getting my butt kicked(so to SPEAK). That's a

frightening idea, but we'll see what I'm guided to do.

Blessings,

amy

[Guest guest]

OOPS! I meant to say that Yeshua( " Jesus " ) is NOT exactly what people

in the religion box think he is. We're getting closer to the Truth,

though, as we are in a much more intelligent open-minded generation,

now. The Laws will provide the Truth when we make ourselves ready. I

don't mean to get all " religous " . It's hard for me to answer

questions about my experience, without including the spiritual

aspects, ..because it's really all spiritual. That's all there is, in

everything.

I hate to get all " weird " on everyone here on this macrobiotics forum.

It sort of makes me feel bad, and I wouldn't mind stepping out, if

it's really not what is wanted here, so please let me know if I

shouldn't be talking about this stuff, k everyone?

To be honest, I've had psychic abilities since I was very small. I

think my mom does, a little, too, because I remember seeing a dark

spirit in our home. He would show himself in our mirror, and was

tall, thin and wore a top hat, ..sort of like Abraham Lincolnish.. I

noticed him as I'd pass by the mirror, standing behind me. Then one

day, I overheard my mom describing a " ghost in our home that she saw,

who showed himself in the mirror, wearing a black top hat. " We always

had a lot of paranormal activity in our home. Pots and pans banging

in the kitchen.. We'd all be together in one room, and we'd hear, very

loudly, someone running down the hallway. I've had " visitors " follow

me all my life. My husband, who is not at all connected to the Other

Side, did not appreciate it when we got married and no matter where we

moved, light bulbs exploded around us, things moved, ..other stuff

probably shouldn't get into here. On the Other Side, when they

recognize that someone " physically alive " Hears and Sees them, they

are extremely attracted to them. They want to talk and be heard.

They want to tell their stories. I've said, they're just like us,

here. Every personality you could imagine. My grandmother came to me

in the form of a small child and told me secrets about some abuse that

happened to her in her childhood. She said she couldn't move forward

until she released those negative memories, so she asked me to take

them from her. That was a painful experience, because I had to

witness what happened to her. Many years later, an aunt whispered to

me that my grandmother had been horribly abused as a small child. I

never told her I already knew. So, some of it is annoying. Some is

perfectly fine and I'm willing to be helpful if I can. I was never

good at understanding why I had what I had, or how to control it. It

weighed on me a lot. I had a distant cousin who I'd never met, come

up to me upon meeting me for the first time, and she gasped and said

in my ear, " You have IT, too, don't you? I'm so sorry. It's very

difficult, isn't it? " So, maybe it's in the family. I know I have a

number of cousins who also regularly experience the paranormal, seeing

the future, etc..

I've had severe health problems all my life and tried a lot of meds to

help me with pain and sleep. This is really personal for me, but waht

happened about four years ago, is; I was desperate for sleep and

relief of my pain. My doctor gave me something I knew was too strong

for me. If I even took a little, I felt like I couldn't breathe. My

nose would swell until I couldn't breath through my nostrils and my

heart and breathing would slow so much I would struggle just to take a

simple breath. I was hysterical with pain that night, though. My

doctor had laughed at me when I told him the med. was too strong and

said, I wasn't even taking enough, and that I could easily triple it,

and do fine. I was literally at the point where I didn't care

anymore, and decided that maybe I was just being too dramatic and was

a wimp. So, I tripled my dose and went to bed. It was very quick. I

hardly even struggled. I think I was trying to get air for a little

bit, but it was too hard and I didn't even want to fight anymore. It

almost felt good to give in. As soon as I left my body, I felt so

free. Not even having to breath. I don't know how long I was gone.

Neither does my husband. The reason I " came back " was because I

started to consciously think about my children and how they needed me.

I didn't like the idea of being " dead " . It just felt completely

wrong. I didn't feel that I was done at all, with my life. Leaving

my body was easy, but coming back was an intense fight. In fact, it

still amazes me how hard I had to try to get back into my body.

That's a long story. Eventually, I got back in, but found that I was

in a coma. That was really scary. It's very strange to be awake and

aware, inside a body that is completely asleep, ..exactly like dead

weight. I couldn't even twitch a finger. My eyes were rolled back

into my head. My husband found me and was sure I was dead. He picked

me up and my body was completely lifeless. I was barely breathing. I

was only like that for a short time, so don't get me wrong and think I

was in a coma for a long time. My husband's energy, when he touched

me, pulled my body back into life, slowly. If I could somehow tell

people who have loved ones in a comatose state, how important it is to

touch the comatose victim, ..oh my word! It is so, so important. We

have a physical energy that transmits from one body to another and as

we touch each other we give life energy and comatose victims

absolutely must be touched to be awakened. The energy from other

people is like plugging the body into an electrical outlet and turning

it back on. The victim can rarely wake the body on their own. I would

love to just go into a hospital and pick up a comatose victim and hold

them in my arms and rock them in a rocking chair for eight hours or

so. But you know what " ward " they'd send me to, if I got caught doing

that. It's not good to have sick little infants left in incubators

without being touched, either. They ought to pay people to stay with

the infant and keep physically touching them until they are healthy

again. Human energy is unbelievably powerful and healing, as I saw on

the Other Side.

I'm very open about my experience, yet, I'm careful, because I grew up

realizing that when you speak of things that other people can't relate

to, they either think you're crazy or " filled with the devil " . This

experience has been difficult for me, because it involved seeing some

very mind-opening things about the universe, that if I spoke about it,

would make my religion seem extremely incomplete and even way off in

some areas. It about makes every religion seem ridiculous.. except

for Buddhism and gnosticism, I think. I get nervous to talk about

what I was shown, because in my religion, we are taken to court and

" disciplined " sort-of, if we say anything that doesn't support

Mormonism. Personally, I'd have no problem with that, ..even getting

excommunicated, ..but I have a huge family with members, high up in

the hierarchy of our religion. I also have in-laws who'd freak out..

Sigh.. Basically, everyone would go bezerko on me. My husband is very

supportive because he's witnessed so much. There's so much he can't

deny.

After I came back, we never went to the hospital. I didn't know how

in the world I'd explain. I also knew I was o.k. But when I came

back, my abilities were about ten times stronger. I don't want to go

into it too much here, but I could basically See both worlds at the

same time, all the time. Immediately, I was going in and out of

visions, and beautiful things were happening all around us. My

husband and children could feel it, too. It was so awesome. Hard to

describe. I had a certain " Messenger " come and give me about two

hours worth of information. All four of my small children witnessed

it and were there for the whole thing. That's an experience I should

probably only speak of in private, as well. He told me a little of

who I'd been in past lives, but mostly just directed me for where to

go and what to do in the future, and warned me of certain Earth

changes, etc. My oldest daughter who also has similar " Abilities "

knew as soon as she saw the Messenger that he was " of God " , as she said.

Very soon after my N.D. exp., I was in the kitchen trying to prepare

food for my family. I reached into the fridge and pulled out some

frozen ground beef. The Spirit(Higher Self) was very strong and

connected to me at that time. I was led/guided by it for at least two

weeks straight. As I set the beef on the counter, I was STRONGLY

REBUKED. I felt that the Spirit was more than disgusted. It

commanded me to never partake of dead flesh. I was overwhelmed with

confusion. I'd never heard anything like that before. I was so

dense, I just stood there thinking, " WHY?!! " I really could not

comprehend it. I was told that not only is it contaminated, but that

it would fill my body with " death " and disconnect me from the

spiritual line that guided me. " That is death and suffering. " The

Spirit does not condone killing animals for the enjoyment of their

flavor, or to obtain protein. I was told to only partake of that

which has life and to keep my body pure if I wanted to stay

" connected. " This story goes a little further, but again, too many

details for right now.

I know all of this sounds so bizarre. Yah, that's my life-story.

Sorry. I know others don't experience the same, so of course I don't

expect anyone to agree or even believe me, but I am what I am. I am

here, because I am shown that those in this forum are much further

toward Awakening to the " Third Eye " than the general population, and

that what is studied and understood here, will be closely aligned in

many ways to what I was shown about order and sense in the universe.

So this is where I need to be for now. Throughout the next five

years, there will be an enormous amount of others who will begin to

Awaken and experience a connection to the other side. We are going

through a paramount change in our little galaxy right now, and we will

all see some incredible things happen, as the " Veil " becomes thinner

and thinner. It's a necessary part of our human evolution.

Thanks also, for your interest and respect. I don't know how I'd pull

off a book without revealing myself to everyone in my religious

community and getting my butt kicked(so to SPEAK). That's a

frightening idea, but we'll see what I'm guided to do.

Blessings,

amy

[Guest guest]

Ha-ha! I know, we don't want to look like weirdos or anything!

Someday, women won't bother shaving anymore, as we evolve and

understand how silly it is. Won't that be great?!

amy

> > > >

> > > >> Everything in the Bible is symbolic of something much deeper

> than the

> > > >> silly literal. Focusing on the literal holds us back from the

> beauty

> > > >> that will come from the words as you realize, all the

> > > >> parables/stories, which are Outside representations, really

> represent

> > > >> what is WithIN US. We can choose to look withOUT, at the

> literal

> > > >> things of the world, and follow, hold rituals, repeat certain

> words,

> > > >> ..but it is good to make all these things happen withIN. They

> are all

> > > >> stories about you, ..not other people and things. That's just

> my

> > > >> understanding and what I've gathered through my experience. Of

> course

> > > >> we can all choose how we want to interpret it. I am a little

> less

> > > >> interested in the physical, literal, outward stuff, and more

> > > >> interested in the spiritual, metaphorical, inward stuff, which

> I

> > > >> believe helps us to bring about transmutation and true

> alchemy. Is

> > > >> there a story about Abraham being willing to slaughter his son

> on an

> > > >> alter, or is it a story about us, and how we need to be

> willing to

> > > >> sacrifice our own carnal nature(child of the world) on the

> altar,

> > > >> which is our hearts, ..to the True God, -which only loves

> spiritual

> > > >> sacrifice? Again, we all have the right to interpret as we

> wish.

> > > >>

> > > >> Blessings and hope that all will keep their minds open for

> their

> > own sake.

> > > >>

> > > >> amy---

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ha-ha! I know, we don't want to look like weirdos or anything!

Someday, women won't bother shaving anymore, as we evolve and

understand how silly it is. Won't that be great?!

amy

> > > >

> > > >> Everything in the Bible is symbolic of something much deeper

> than the

> > > >> silly literal. Focusing on the literal holds us back from the

> beauty

> > > >> that will come from the words as you realize, all the

> > > >> parables/stories, which are Outside representations, really

> represent

> > > >> what is WithIN US. We can choose to look withOUT, at the

> literal

> > > >> things of the world, and follow, hold rituals, repeat certain

> words,

> > > >> ..but it is good to make all these things happen withIN. They

> are all

> > > >> stories about you, ..not other people and things. That's just

> my

> > > >> understanding and what I've gathered through my experience. Of

> course

> > > >> we can all choose how we want to interpret it. I am a little

> less

> > > >> interested in the physical, literal, outward stuff, and more

> > > >> interested in the spiritual, metaphorical, inward stuff, which

> I

> > > >> believe helps us to bring about transmutation and true

> alchemy. Is

> > > >> there a story about Abraham being willing to slaughter his son

> on an

> > > >> alter, or is it a story about us, and how we need to be

> willing to

> > > >> sacrifice our own carnal nature(child of the world) on the

> altar,

> > > >> which is our hearts, ..to the True God, -which only loves

> spiritual

> > > >> sacrifice? Again, we all have the right to interpret as we

> wish.

> > > >>

> > > >> Blessings and hope that all will keep their minds open for

> their

> > own sake.

> > > >>

> > > >> amy---

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Please tell me you name, I feel rude just replying without a greeting.

I live in the UK so that’s why I brought it up and when studying humans why limit ourselves to any one part of the globe.

I totally agree about meat eating animal activists and so far have not managed to understand that at all.

You have mentioned macrobiotics and oriental medicine a few times. Please explore some of Ohsawa’s writings if you have not already done so and you will see that his founding principles for macrobiotics come from Taoism and Zen Buddhism. In both opinions are irrelevant, just fleeting thoughts blowing in the wind. You will find most writings dedicated to ‘the way’. How to live, the process not the outcome, the essence of humanity.

In respect of circumcision I do not necessarily disagree with you about the subject but do disagree about the way you present your views. It can come across as arrogant (Oshawa’s highest level of sickness!) although perhaps not intended. In Taoism and Zen Buddhism a great emphasis is put on remaining humble and slightly empty. Having the flexibility to see another persons view. This played a big part in macrobiotics and you will find many references to it Michio’s early writings.

It is ironic that your beloved Bush also came into power on a platform of isolationist US policy, finds it hard to understand other cultures, is judgemental about Muslims, talks in absolute terms, wants to impose his views on the rest of the world and thinks he knows best. Any similarities? I’m being playful but perhaps you see the point.

All the best,

Simon

Again, why address issues of smacking children in the UK when we can't seem to get past what we do to male infants in this country?

As for poetic justice, it would be almost amusing, if not for being so sad, that those assuming others are " closed minded " appear themselves unable to open their minds and address what has not only happened to them, but what continues to happen right here right now, right in your own home, right next door, etc...

Have you ever met a animal activists who eat meat? They rally for animal rights and the abuses of dogs & cats, yet never think about going to the market and buying meat that was brutally killed in a terrible manner. Where's the logic?

Perhaps if we stopped the violence we suffer our own male infants to right here in the US right from the womb, we might better be able to address those of older children, and those in other countries? 

In a nut shell, I'd be willing to bet W. Bush is circumcised. My that one thought does make you wonder when living in one of, if not the most violent country in the world, eh? 

As for AIDS, the jury is still out as to factual evidence of circumcision helping. More so again, sex is or should be an adult issue and most AIDS can be linked to IV drug use, etc... not sex. Again, why assume? Why assume we should violate an infant as to what *might* happen to him as an adult? Is that going to address the core issue? No.

It's easy for the pot to call the kettle black. It's interesting to observe that those claiming non rigidity and a free mind appear unable to address core issues, but turn a cheek to ignore the rights of infants in our own homes, yet attempt to save older children, adults, and the rest of the world. It's a nice thought, and I'm sure with beautiful intentions, though it does make me wonder that perhaps we are unable to stop domestic abuse, homelessness, war, etc... because we can't address a very important issue of violence with our males right from the womb. 

First things first.

Wouldn't it be interesting to see circumcision/genital mutilation outlawed in the US and how future generations behave? Would we all have to eat rice for that to happen. Perhaps food is the core issue of why we do what we do to our children? The possibilities are astounding. 

Isn't it interesting what we label things? A woman " has a hysterectomy " , but you'd " castrate " a man. If you " circumcise " a female, immediately it's " genital mutilation " , yet it's perfectly fine and dandy and readily accepted, often with no thought at all to " circumcise " a male mostly with no anesthetic while tied down to a board. What are we thinking? Are we thinking?

One thing macrobiotics, and eating a healthy variety has done for me, is gifted me with the ability to think clearly. This simple diet has also helped to free my mind and not only notice issues I'd never pay attention to, but attempt to illicit change and be very honest in observation without candy coating the unsavory to gain acceptance. 

If we truly love one another, and we truly want to heal the world, the first step is within our own homes, with our own loved ones, and most importantly, with our own innocent victims. 

In my mind, a better choice is to choose the way nature intended our sons to be: intact, but if you must choose circumcise/mutilate [choose your own label here], please consider doing so with anesthetic and as humanely as possible. Stand up for your baby when he can't, and love him enough to spare him the excruciating pain of tearing the membranes around his glans & cutting away his foreskin with the aide of anesthetic. First and foremost, I beg you to educate yourself, read, read, read, view videos of actual procedures, and talk to as many men as you can who are aware of this issue.

Change begins with us and dealing with the core issue of what we as a nation are doing to our own. Perhaps then we can change the world.

I have heard the same argument put forward regarding pain and trauma for suggesting it is better to give birth by C section. In the UK smacking children has been banned and I think as adults many of us might agree. However I was interested to find out from my children that a smack or a brief shout was least upsetting whereas time out or even worse a long patronising lecture were the things they hated most. I am always being reminded how foolish assumptions can be.

[Guest guest]

Please tell me you name, I feel rude just replying without a greeting.

I live in the UK so that’s why I brought it up and when studying humans why limit ourselves to any one part of the globe.

I totally agree about meat eating animal activists and so far have not managed to understand that at all.

You have mentioned macrobiotics and oriental medicine a few times. Please explore some of Ohsawa’s writings if you have not already done so and you will see that his founding principles for macrobiotics come from Taoism and Zen Buddhism. In both opinions are irrelevant, just fleeting thoughts blowing in the wind. You will find most writings dedicated to ‘the way’. How to live, the process not the outcome, the essence of humanity.

In respect of circumcision I do not necessarily disagree with you about the subject but do disagree about the way you present your views. It can come across as arrogant (Oshawa’s highest level of sickness!) although perhaps not intended. In Taoism and Zen Buddhism a great emphasis is put on remaining humble and slightly empty. Having the flexibility to see another persons view. This played a big part in macrobiotics and you will find many references to it Michio’s early writings.

It is ironic that your beloved Bush also came into power on a platform of isolationist US policy, finds it hard to understand other cultures, is judgemental about Muslims, talks in absolute terms, wants to impose his views on the rest of the world and thinks he knows best. Any similarities? I’m being playful but perhaps you see the point.

All the best,

Simon

Again, why address issues of smacking children in the UK when we can't seem to get past what we do to male infants in this country?

As for poetic justice, it would be almost amusing, if not for being so sad, that those assuming others are " closed minded " appear themselves unable to open their minds and address what has not only happened to them, but what continues to happen right here right now, right in your own home, right next door, etc...

Have you ever met a animal activists who eat meat? They rally for animal rights and the abuses of dogs & cats, yet never think about going to the market and buying meat that was brutally killed in a terrible manner. Where's the logic?

Perhaps if we stopped the violence we suffer our own male infants to right here in the US right from the womb, we might better be able to address those of older children, and those in other countries? 

In a nut shell, I'd be willing to bet W. Bush is circumcised. My that one thought does make you wonder when living in one of, if not the most violent country in the world, eh? 

As for AIDS, the jury is still out as to factual evidence of circumcision helping. More so again, sex is or should be an adult issue and most AIDS can be linked to IV drug use, etc... not sex. Again, why assume? Why assume we should violate an infant as to what *might* happen to him as an adult? Is that going to address the core issue? No.

It's easy for the pot to call the kettle black. It's interesting to observe that those claiming non rigidity and a free mind appear unable to address core issues, but turn a cheek to ignore the rights of infants in our own homes, yet attempt to save older children, adults, and the rest of the world. It's a nice thought, and I'm sure with beautiful intentions, though it does make me wonder that perhaps we are unable to stop domestic abuse, homelessness, war, etc... because we can't address a very important issue of violence with our males right from the womb. 

First things first.

Wouldn't it be interesting to see circumcision/genital mutilation outlawed in the US and how future generations behave? Would we all have to eat rice for that to happen. Perhaps food is the core issue of why we do what we do to our children? The possibilities are astounding. 

Isn't it interesting what we label things? A woman " has a hysterectomy " , but you'd " castrate " a man. If you " circumcise " a female, immediately it's " genital mutilation " , yet it's perfectly fine and dandy and readily accepted, often with no thought at all to " circumcise " a male mostly with no anesthetic while tied down to a board. What are we thinking? Are we thinking?

One thing macrobiotics, and eating a healthy variety has done for me, is gifted me with the ability to think clearly. This simple diet has also helped to free my mind and not only notice issues I'd never pay attention to, but attempt to illicit change and be very honest in observation without candy coating the unsavory to gain acceptance. 

If we truly love one another, and we truly want to heal the world, the first step is within our own homes, with our own loved ones, and most importantly, with our own innocent victims. 

In my mind, a better choice is to choose the way nature intended our sons to be: intact, but if you must choose circumcise/mutilate [choose your own label here], please consider doing so with anesthetic and as humanely as possible. Stand up for your baby when he can't, and love him enough to spare him the excruciating pain of tearing the membranes around his glans & cutting away his foreskin with the aide of anesthetic. First and foremost, I beg you to educate yourself, read, read, read, view videos of actual procedures, and talk to as many men as you can who are aware of this issue.

Change begins with us and dealing with the core issue of what we as a nation are doing to our own. Perhaps then we can change the world.

I have heard the same argument put forward regarding pain and trauma for suggesting it is better to give birth by C section. In the UK smacking children has been banned and I think as adults many of us might agree. However I was interested to find out from my children that a smack or a brief shout was least upsetting whereas time out or even worse a long patronising lecture were the things they hated most. I am always being reminded how foolish assumptions can be.

[Guest guest]

I took an incredible class - permaculture - where the first thing the teacher said is he didn't want to waste any time with arguing - he'd come from Scotland to give us valuable information - and in his experience, people who argue never do succeed in convincing the other, so why waste the time. Again I so so appreciate your wisdom, Simon. My first inclination was wow, I better find some sources who are wiser than I so I can show my side and make them realize. Fortunately I was too busy to do that, and now I realize how futile - you are right, the strong language did do something to me, no it didn't change my mind, but I did have an inclination that perhaps I am wasting my time being on the group - my apologies if that also sounds strong, but I realized I didn't want to be spending my energies - not sure how to put it - just alot of strong strong anti messages - but for one thing I am grateful - I now realize how it must feel on the receiving

end of my family when I tell them how unhealthy it is what they are eating. I've been trying to curb that, and now I hope I will do so even more. Simon, you remind me of my teacher, Jeanne van den Heuvel, from Belgium - whenever certain "controversial" subjects were brought up, her response was inevitably, "very interesting." I found that so refreshing, she found all of life interesting, I loved that. Klara"Simon G. Brown" wrote: I find your response intriguing and would like to ask why you have chosen to write so strongly about this particular subject. Is it because of some personal experience that you still feel angry about?If you read my last message carefully I am encouraging you to find a bigger perspective on this issue. No one is ever going to be proved right or wrong here so all we are talking about are personal opinions.Whilst you talk of healing the US you are simultaneously accusing any parents in this group who have chosen to circumcise their child of being violent to their children, mutilating them and being barbaric. In my experience this kind of approach is a recipe for fragmentation and only encourages people to take more extreme views. If we want to join together to further macrobiotics and if the environment is the biggest issue we face why use this forum to try an antagonise members with the judgemental, moralistic expression of your

personal views? All that happens is that the pro circumcision and anti circumcision camps become more bigoted and find that rather than live a big life (the definition of macrobiotics) end up living a very small life as a result of an entrenched, small minded, narrow vision.Sorry but I really can’t see the point right now but I will try and would be happy to hear more and attempt to understand your views.All the best,SimonOn 19/3/07 14:00, "Black Bear Hollow" <blackbearhollowgmail> wrote: Whatever words that would *truthfully* (honestly) describe such events. Reuse, recycle, or whatever... the point is honesty without dancing around making excuses for our own violent actions here in the US that perhaps might need to be healed HERE before addressing those in other

countries.Perhaps a better evaluation might be: Why attempt to address issues on other soils when we haven't addresses our own right here in the US? Why run around attempting to save the world, but ignore our own? Maybe, just maybe, the core issue lies with taking care of & healing ourselves before taking on the issues of the rest of the world and wouldn't it be interesting if much of it lies with healing violent acts against children? Against our own right in front of us? If we use those words to describe circumcision what’s left to describe other events?

We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

[Guest guest]

Hi Klara,

Permaculture is an incredible approach to farming and made a huge impression on the macrobiotic movement in the UK.

Thank you for the interesting thoughts.

Simon

I took an incredible class - permaculture - where the first thing the teacher said is he didn't want to waste any time with arguing - he'd come from Scotland to give us valuable information - and in his experience, people who argue never do succeed in convincing the other, so why waste the time.

Again I so so appreciate your wisdom, Simon. My first inclination was wow, I better find some sources who are wiser than I so I can show my side and make them realize. Fortunately I was too busy to do that, and now I realize how futile - you are right, the strong language did do something to me, no it didn't change my mind, but I did have an inclination that perhaps I am wasting my time being on the group - my apologies if that also sounds strong, but I realized I didn't want to be spending my energies - not sure how to put it - just alot of strong strong anti messages -

but for one thing I am grateful - I now realize how it must feel on the! receiving end of my family when I tell them how unhealthy it is what they are eating. I've been trying to curb that, and now I hope I will do so even more.

Simon, you remind me of my teacher, Jeanne van den Heuvel, from Belgium - whenever certain " controversial " subjects were brought up, her response was inevitably, " very interesting. " I found that so refreshing, she found all of life interesting, I loved that.

Klara

" Simon G. Brown " wrote:

I find your response intriguing and would like to ask why you have chosen to write so strongly about this particular subject. Is it because of some personal experience that you still feel angry about?

If you read my last message carefully I am encouraging you to fin! d a bigger perspective on this issue. No one is ever going to be proved right or wrong here so all we are talking about are personal opinions.

Whilst you talk of healing the US you are simultaneously accusing any parents in this group who have chosen to circumcise their child of being violent to their children, mutilating them and being barbaric. In my experience this kind of approach is a recipe for fragmentation and only encourages people to take more extreme views. If we want to join together to further macrobiotics and if the environment is the biggest issue we face why use this forum to try an antagonise members with the judgemental, moralistic expression of your personal views? All that happens is that the pro circumcision and anti circumcision camps become more bigoted and find that rather than live a big life (the definition of macrobiotics) end up living a very small life as a result of an entrenched, small minded, narrow vision.

Sorry but I really can’t see the point right now but I will try and would be happy to hear more and attempt to understand your views.

All the best,

Simon

Whatever words that would *truthfully* (honestly) describe such events.

Reuse, recycle, or whatever... the point is honesty without dancing around making excuses

for our own violent actions here in the US that perhaps might need to be healed HERE before

addressing those in other countries.

Perhaps a better evaluation might be: Why attempt to address issues on other soils when we haven't addresses our own right here in the US? Why run around attempting to save the world, but ignore our own? Maybe, just maybe, the core issue lies with taking care of & healing ourselves before taking on the issues of the rest of the world and wouldn't it be interesting if much of it lies with healing violent acts against children? Against our own right in front of us?

If we use those words to describe circumcision what’s left to describe other events?

We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Klara,

Permaculture is an incredible approach to farming and made a huge impression on the macrobiotic movement in the UK.

Thank you for the interesting thoughts.

Simon

I took an incredible class - permaculture - where the first thing the teacher said is he didn't want to waste any time with arguing - he'd come from Scotland to give us valuable information - and in his experience, people who argue never do succeed in convincing the other, so why waste the time.

Again I so so appreciate your wisdom, Simon. My first inclination was wow, I better find some sources who are wiser than I so I can show my side and make them realize. Fortunately I was too busy to do that, and now I realize how futile - you are right, the strong language did do something to me, no it didn't change my mind, but I did have an inclination that perhaps I am wasting my time being on the group - my apologies if that also sounds strong, but I realized I didn't want to be spending my energies - not sure how to put it - just alot of strong strong anti messages -

but for one thing I am grateful - I now realize how it must feel on the! receiving end of my family when I tell them how unhealthy it is what they are eating. I've been trying to curb that, and now I hope I will do so even more.

Simon, you remind me of my teacher, Jeanne van den Heuvel, from Belgium - whenever certain " controversial " subjects were brought up, her response was inevitably, " very interesting. " I found that so refreshing, she found all of life interesting, I loved that.

Klara

" Simon G. Brown " wrote:

I find your response intriguing and would like to ask why you have chosen to write so strongly about this particular subject. Is it because of some personal experience that you still feel angry about?

If you read my last message carefully I am encouraging you to fin! d a bigger perspective on this issue. No one is ever going to be proved right or wrong here so all we are talking about are personal opinions.

Whilst you talk of healing the US you are simultaneously accusing any parents in this group who have chosen to circumcise their child of being violent to their children, mutilating them and being barbaric. In my experience this kind of approach is a recipe for fragmentation and only encourages people to take more extreme views. If we want to join together to further macrobiotics and if the environment is the biggest issue we face why use this forum to try an antagonise members with the judgemental, moralistic expression of your personal views? All that happens is that the pro circumcision and anti circumcision camps become more bigoted and find that rather than live a big life (the definition of macrobiotics) end up living a very small life as a result of an entrenched, small minded, narrow vision.

Sorry but I really can’t see the point right now but I will try and would be happy to hear more and attempt to understand your views.

All the best,

Simon

Whatever words that would *truthfully* (honestly) describe such events.

Reuse, recycle, or whatever... the point is honesty without dancing around making excuses

for our own violent actions here in the US that perhaps might need to be healed HERE before

addressing those in other countries.

Perhaps a better evaluation might be: Why attempt to address issues on other soils when we haven't addresses our own right here in the US? Why run around attempting to save the world, but ignore our own? Maybe, just maybe, the core issue lies with taking care of & healing ourselves before taking on the issues of the rest of the world and wouldn't it be interesting if much of it lies with healing violent acts against children? Against our own right in front of us?

If we use those words to describe circumcision what’s left to describe other events?

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Hi Simon, I did sign my last post... My name is Wister.I feel you're making assumptions about me that are incorrect. I have the right to speak my personal opinion and address the issue without personal attack. Principles above personalities. I could certainly say the same about you, but I won't. My being an advocate for victims of genital mutilation doesn't mean I want to rule the world. It's interesting you reply, but didn't address my questions. Though not always easy to convey via email, my aim is to educate, perhaps cause Americans to think about what they are doing to their male children and address the issue instead of poo pooing it and turning a cheek due to pressure from family, circumcised (mutilated) men, religion, and doctors. As I stated in my last post, contrary to what our (he's not mine) not so beloved Bush (approval rating plunging as I type this), I feel it's important to deal with our own issues in our own country before we attempt to save the rest of the world. I felt I made that point abundantly clear. I also stated that it's certainly food for thought that it would be interesting to study why our American men are so violent. Could it be circumcision? Food? Both? Something else? A combination? It does make me wonder when a male's first genital experience is that of excruciating pain and which such trauma sets up a whole slew of chemical reactions. Could it be a cause of later mental, emotional, or hormonal trouble? Post traumatic stress? Anyway, it's too bad you appear to be making assumptions about "how I am". I'm attempting to state truth vs. myth on the topic, not sling sarcasm or insult. Had someone not took a stand, the Brits would still be starving the Irish, controlling India & Africa, etc... We can indeed remain humble and also state facts in an attempt, not to control or judge, but to educate.WisterIt is ironic that your beloved Bush also came into power on a platform of isolationist US policy, finds it hard to understand other cultures, is judgemental about Muslims, talks in absolute terms, wants to impose his views on the rest of the world and thinks he knows best. Any similarities? I’m being playful but perhaps you see the point.All the best,Simon

[Guest guest]

Hi Wister,

Good to hear back from you.

Just to be clear I am not trying to make assumptions about you, sorry if any of my writing suggests this but I am debating with you the style of writing in your early emails and in my humble opinion, I am often wrong so don’t take too much notice, you may find a greater listening out there for your message if you can communicate it in a way that conveys greater compassion, acceptance and humility. Again this is not about you as a person but simply your style of attack in some of your emails.

Perhaps you could make a compelling case if you interviewed lots of circumcised men told their stories and made comparative studies of different societies but at moment it is simply an interesting opinion but not one that I can see gives you the right to attack or judge other parents.

I don’t think any country has managed to save itself and then go onto save the rest of the world before and I don’t think the US currently has enough good will around the world to even think about it. You might find people see you more as a threat than potential saviours with or without circumcision. The great advantage of the internet is that it cuts through all the artificial boundaries and lets like minded people from anywhere link up and unite.

Good point regarding myth but be careful not to accidentally perpetuate some yourself – ie the grain eating cultures being peaceful.

I totally agree with your last point.

Thanks,

Simon

Hi Simon, 

I did sign my last post... My name is Wister.

I feel you're making assumptions about me that are incorrect. I have the right to speak my personal opinion and address the issue without personal attack. Principles above personalities. I could certainly say the same about you, but I won't. My being an advocate for victims of genital mutilation doesn't mean I want to rule the world. 

It's interesting you reply, but didn't address my questions. 

Though not always easy to convey via email, my aim is to educate, perhaps cause Americans to think about what they are doing to their male children and address the issue instead of poo pooing it and turning a cheek due to pressure from family, circumcised (mutilated) men, religion, and doctors. 

As I stated in my last post, contrary to what our (he's not mine) not so beloved Bush (approval rating plunging as I type this), I feel it's important to deal with our own issues in our own country before we attempt to save the rest of the world. I felt I made that point abundantly clear. I also stated that it's certainly food for thought that it would be interesting to study why our American men are so violent. Could it be circumcision? Food? Both? Something else? A combination? 

It does make me wonder when a male's first genital experience is that of excruciating pain and which such trauma sets up a whole slew of chemical reactions. Could it be a cause of later mental, emotional, or hormonal trouble? Post traumatic stress? 

Anyway, it's too bad you appear to be making assumptions about " how I am " . I'm attempting to state truth vs. myth on the topic, not sling sarcasm or insult. Had someone not took a stand, the Brits would still be starving the Irish, controlling India & Africa, etc... 

We can indeed remain humble and also state facts in an attempt, not to control or judge, but to educate.

Wister

It is ironic that your beloved Bush also came into power on a platform of isolationist US policy, finds it hard to understand other cultures, is judgemental about Muslims, talks in absolute terms, wants to impose his views on the rest of the world and thinks he knows best. Any similarities? I’m being playful but perhaps you see the point.

All the best,

Simon

[Guest guest]

Good to see you've finally had the opportunity to learn something

here rather than teach us.

R

> >> >

> >> >> I have heard the same argument put forward regarding pain

and

> >> >> trauma for suggesting it is better to give birth by C

section.

> >In

> >> >> the UK smacking children has been banned and I think as

adults

> >many

> >> >> of us might agree. However I was interested to find out from

my

> >> >> children that a smack or a brief shout was least upsetting

> >whereas

> >> >> time out or even worse a long patronising lecture were the

> >things

> >> >> they hated most. I am always being reminded how foolish

> >assumptions

> >> >> can be.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Brown Waxman

> >> www.celebrate4health.com

> >> www.bebabywise.com

> >> info@

> >>

> >

> >

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>

> Brown Waxman

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[Guest guest]

I know plenty of happy, contented, peaceful Jewish men who appear to

have wonderful family relationships

You must be kidding I don't know ANY happy contented, peaceful Jewish

men!

Actually I do prefer vaginal birth b/c it's much healthier for the

proper development of the lungs.

Birth is something you can't prevent, circ can be. If you look at it

from a religious point why would G-d put foreskin there for us to

remove as if he has faulted?

I don't see anything wrong with having absolutes, having boundaries

and having goals.

Actually I was a counselor at a domestic violence shelter for many

years and statistically the most violent were Jewish men. The

largest profession? Police.

I never said anything about helping only my country that was someone

else. I don't feel I belong to one country, one universe

perhaps........ BUT I do feel if we look the other way and just 'let

it be' the world doesn't change for the better. If women didn't make

a stink 80 some odd years ago we wouldn't have the right to vote. If

Parks didn't refuse to get up from her seat the blacks would

still be sitting in the back of the bus.............

I love you dearly but too tired to banter

Reg

> >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> Everything in the Bible is symbolic of

something much

> > deeper than the

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> silly literal. Focusing on the literal

holds us back

> > from the beauty

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> that will come from the words as you

realize, all the

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> parables/stories, which are Outside

representations,

> > really represent

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> what is WithIN US. We can choose to look

withOUT, at the

> > literal

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> things of the world, and follow, hold

rituals, repeat

> > certain words,

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> ..but it is good to make all these things

happen withIN.

> > They are all

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> stories about you, ..not other people and

things. That's

> > just my

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> understanding and what I've gathered

through my

> > experience. Of course

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> we can all choose how we want to interpret

it. I am a

> > little less

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> interested in the physical, literal,

outward stuff, and

> > more

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> interested in the spiritual, metaphorical,

inward stuff,

> > which I

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> believe helps us to bring about

transmutation and true

> > alchemy. Is

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> there a story about Abraham being willing

to slaughter

> > his son on an

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> alter, or is it a story about us, and how

we need to be

> > willing to

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> sacrifice our own carnal nature(child of

the world) on

> > the altar,

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> which is our hearts, ..to the True God, -

which only

> > loves spiritual

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> sacrifice? Again, we all have the right to

interpret as

> > we wish.

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> Blessings and hope that all will keep their

minds open

> > for their

> >>>> > >> own sake.

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> amy---

> >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >

> >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >>> >

> >>>> > >>

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

But dear Wister, You are not stating facts when you say : that it would be interesting to study why our American men are so violent. Could it be circumcision? Food? Both? Something else? A combination? It does make me wonder when a male's first genital experience is that of excruciating pain and which such trauma sets up a whole slew of chemical reactions. Could it be a cause of later mental, emotional, or hormonal trouble? Post traumatic stress? Anyway, it's too bad you appear to be making assumptions I ask who is making assumptions - I do not find Jewish men to be violent - and there you could certainly make a study if you wish - and sadly I do have to admit there is a lot of meat/cheese/egg eating amongst Jews. And here I said I wouldn't get swallowed

up and respond - darn - but as someone besides me mentioned, there is ALOT of factors in creating a human being - and I truly feel values and the educating of values is a big one - and I mean ALL values - I do understand your passion for this one - but am totally NOT with you in dismissing religion (in my case, my religion) as just a blinding factor in one's life - I feel those who take Judaism seriously find many deep values there, despite the food issue - and make life much more worthwhile (including "tikkun haolam" - fixing the world) - not by trying to change everyone, certainly not by trying to convert others to Judaism - but by setting example and living ethical lives - and I repeat, we do accept that G-d is a higher authority, we do accept that there are some things we do not understand (yet) completely, we do accept circumcision was/is a condition - for us - to express our side of the covenant we have with G-d - as I've already said - one cannot argue religion -

it's certainly there we can agree - but that does NOT make our religion a mindless horrible violent etc etc certainly not to me now back to my cleaning for our holiday where we celebrate our Freedom from slavery. Klarablack bear hollow wrote: Hi Simon, I did sign my last post... My name is Wister. I feel you're

making assumptions about me that are incorrect. I have the right to speak my personal opinion and address the issue without personal attack. Principles above personalities. I could certainly say the same about you, but I won't. My being an advocate for victims of genital mutilation doesn't mean I want to rule the world. It's interesting you reply, but didn't address my questions. Though not always easy to convey via email, my aim is to educate, perhaps cause Americans to think about what they are doing to their male children and address the issue instead of poo pooing it and turning a cheek due to pressure from family, circumcised (mutilated) men, religion, and doctors. As I stated in my last post, contrary to what our (he's not mine) not so beloved Bush (approval rating plunging

as I type this), I feel it's important to deal with our own issues in our own country before we attempt to save the rest of the world. I felt I made that point abundantly clear. I also stated that it's certainly food for thought that it would be interesting to study why our American men are so violent. Could it be circumcision? Food? Both? Something else? A combination? It does make me wonder when a male's first genital experience is that of excruciating pain and which such trauma sets up a whole slew of chemical reactions. Could it be a cause of later mental, emotional, or hormonal trouble? Post traumatic stress? Anyway, it's too bad you appear to be making assumptions about "how I am". I'm attempting to state truth vs. myth on the topic, not sling sarcasm or insult. Had someone not took a stand, the Brits would still be starving the Irish,

controlling India & Africa, etc... We can indeed remain humble and also state facts in an attempt, not to control or judge, but to educate. Wister It is ironic that your beloved Bush also came into power on a platform of isolationist US policy, finds it hard to understand other

cultures, is judgemental about Muslims, talks in absolute terms, wants to impose his views on the rest of the world and thinks he knows best. Any similarities? I’m being playful but perhaps you see the point.All the best,Simon

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Wister,

You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say something

IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind words

like " circumcision " , " abortion " , " medicating " .. rather than just

saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, etc.. Killing and sucking

out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, etc..

Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people involved

in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they do,

you're being judgemental.

When my children say, " Mom!! The kids across the street are " salting a

slug! Can we have some salt? " , I reply, " What? ..OH!! You MEAN, 'The

kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and torturing it,

and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is that

what you meant? " Their eyes open wide(see the importance of those

words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and saying, " No. I

don't want to. "

Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very powerful

and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, reevaluate

their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of

thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and comfortable with

side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and

stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from

evolving.

I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than always

stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge ourselves

according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest about

every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love it. For

example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a party.

She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, " Mommy, can I have some

Coke? " I got down to her level and whispered, " You mean, you want the

drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the best

thing for your beautiful body, hon.. " Even my four year old knows

what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass them

their food and say things like, " Here ya go girls! I've got some

fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and germs, and

here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, to keep

you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help you

poo! .. " They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and details

about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent

choices when I'm not with them.

I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by always

being completely honest with them about everything. This young

generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help move us

forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open with

them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense words.

Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do unhealthy

things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what I'm

doing, " I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling weak,

etc. " or " I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the Spirit

and was behaving selfishly. "

I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. We want

the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, yin and

yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, because it

will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of where

others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean to call

it so.

amy

[Guest guest]

I know a man whose father used to beat the crud out of him and even

busted his ear drum when he was a child, leaving him bleeding and

alone in his room, at about seven years old. He was small and sweet

and the other boys at school used to regularly pick on him and beat

him up. He is married now to a beautiful kind wife, and has three

gorgeous little boys, and an awesome job. He hardly remembers any of

the pain and negativity and is one of the happiest, most positive

people I know. So I guess what his father did to him, and the boys at

school inflicted, isn't so bad, after all, eh? It was probably

good for him in the end.. Maybe it taught him to be tough, strong,

respectful, ..I dunno? He's an adult now and LOOKs perfectly fine, so

let's not worry about it. So, if he decides to repeat the pattern,

it's better for me not to get involved, because that would be mean and

judgmental. Besides, his kids would probably just forget the pain, too.

amy

> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> Everything in the Bible is symbolic of

> something much

> > > deeper than the

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> silly literal. Focusing on the literal

> holds us back

> > > from the beauty

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> that will come from the words as you

> realize, all the

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> parables/stories, which are Outside

> representations,

> > > really represent

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> what is WithIN US. We can choose to look

> withOUT, at the

> > > literal

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> things of the world, and follow, hold

> rituals, repeat

> > > certain words,

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> ..but it is good to make all these things

> happen withIN.

> > > They are all

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> stories about you, ..not other people and

> things. That's

> > > just my

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> understanding and what I've gathered

> through my

> > > experience. Of course

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> we can all choose how we want to interpret

> it. I am a

> > > little less

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> interested in the physical, literal,

> outward stuff, and

> > > more

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> interested in the spiritual, metaphorical,

> inward stuff,

> > > which I

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> believe helps us to bring about

> transmutation and true

> > > alchemy. Is

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> there a story about Abraham being willing

> to slaughter

> > > his son on an

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> alter, or is it a story about us, and how

> we need to be

> > > willing to

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> sacrifice our own carnal nature(child of

> the world) on

> > > the altar,

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> which is our hearts, ..to the True God, -

> which only

> > > loves spiritual

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> sacrifice? Again, we all have the right to

> interpret as

> > > we wish.

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> Blessings and hope that all will keep their

> minds open

> > > for their

> > >>>> > >> own sake.

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>

> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> amy---

> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >

> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >

> > >>>>>> > >>> >

> > >>>> > >>

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > >

> > >> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I hear what you are saying and in theory it is correct but we have to also work

with people on many different levels. It is not only words but the intent with

how they are said. A lot of times the words are coupled with strong emotions -

hate, anger, bitterness that can cause those words to have a very negative

effect rather than a positive heartfelt one. Sometimes our words and emotions

are really an airing of our own wounds and also a sort of verbal vomiting

without considering the effect and outcome.

If we take this current discussion, I am one of the big supporters of not

circucising boys yet the way the discussion has been presented has been very off

putting for me and while I have learned some valued info, it hasn't made me feel

like I want to join in or support the person at all. If the approach had been

less 'attacking' I think I would have felt quite differently.

I know from my experience as a mother of seven and observing many children at

various ages and stages, that a gentle approach has far more powerful results.

Kids and adults are at very different levels of understanding and explaining

things one way to one person may make perfect sense but said in the same way to

another has no effect. That person may learn in a very practical way rather than

an intellectual one. I think we have to remember the individual and also to

respect that there are different cultures, traditions and our way may be great

for us but not resonate for someone else. We choose what we wish to experience

and we need to respect others freedom of choice too.

I don't think it is a cop out to try and set an example and live by it. I don't

feel that shouting from the roof tops is the only way. In fact vibration

continues to create change whether we like it or not and having positive

thoughts about oneself and also others is extremely powerful - words do not need

to be spoken.

I was once going to do a news show where a friend and I would only report

positive things that were happening in the world. Vibration attracts like

vibration - positive feelings are infectious and help to raise the spirit. Great

change can happen through thought alone. Often that change has been set in

motion long before we see it actually show up in a physical sense. Negativity is

a great way to control - fearful folk are much easier to keep in line - no

wonder all the news we read is so depressing!!

Anyway I think we need to respect there are different ways to create change -

again we can use a yang strong approach or a yin gentle one - is there a right

or wrong - I don't think so.

Blessings

Re: Here it is ...the topic I've been avoiding

until now!

>

>Wister,

>

>You'll have to get used to people being upset when you say something

>IS what it IS. We're in a world where people feel safe behind words

>like " circumcision " , " abortion " , " medicating " .. rather than just

>saying what it is. Mutilating, altering, etc.. Killing and sucking

>out life, etc. Drugging our children and getting them stoned, etc..

>Why don't we just call a spade a spade? Because the people involved

>in the actions say that when you just say what it IS that they do,

>you're being judgemental.

>

>When my children say, " Mom!! The kids across the street are " salting a

>slug! Can we have some salt? " , I reply, " What? ..OH!! You MEAN, 'The

>kids across the street are pouring salt onto a slug and torturing it,

>and causing pain and suffering? Can I torture it as well?' Is that

>what you meant? " Their eyes open wide(see the importance of those

>words), and they are suddenly shaking their heads and saying, " No. I

>don't want to. "

>

>Truth is truth and saying exactly what something IS, is very powerful

>and helps people to Awaken and pull out of their slumber, reevaluate

>their actions and bring themselves to a Higher Minded level of

>thinking. Constantly trying to make people cozy and comfortable with

>side-stepping words keeps everyone in a state of hypnosis and

>stagnance. Complacency is a dangerous thing, and keeps us from

>evolving.

>

>I can think of few things more healthy for our well-being than always

>stating the facts exactly as they are, and then let us judge ourselves

>according to the Truths. I insist on being blatantly honest about

>every single issue with my kids. The girls tell me they love it. For

>example, ..My four year old reached for some Coca-cola at a party.

>She wanted me to pour it for her, pleading, " Mommy, can I have some

>Coke? " I got down to her level and whispered, " You mean, you want the

>drink with the chemicals and drugs? I don't think that's the best

>thing for your beautiful body, hon.. " Even my four year old knows

>what drugs and chemicals are, because when I feed them, I pass them

>their food and say things like, " Here ya go girls! I've got some

>fruit for you, with Vit. C, to help you fight off cold and germs, and

>here's some beans, with protein, etc. Here's your pure water, to keep

>you hydrated, ..here's your cereal, with lots of fiber to help you

>poo! .. " They're absolutely thrilled to know the Truth and details

>about everything and it helps them to make educated/intelligent

>choices when I'm not with them.

>

>I'd encourage everyone to keep your children's Eyes Open by always

>being completely honest with them about everything. This young

>generation is so advanced and ready for Truth. They will help move us

>forward at lightning speed if we do our part and simply be open with

>them. Don't drug them. Don't give them political nonsense words.

>Don't white-wash even the mistakes you make. Even when I do unhealthy

>things or make poor choices, I tell them that is exactly what I'm

>doing, " I'm making a poor choice right now, because I'm feeling weak,

>etc. " or " I did this or that, because I wasn't tuned in to the Spirit

>and was behaving selfishly. "

>

>I hope most can understand the importance of what I'm saying. We want

>the generations to come to use the concepts of macrobiotics, yin and

>yang, and spirituality through every aspect of their lives, because it

>will make them healthy and FREE. We need to be respectful of where

>others stand, but, a spade is a spade and it isn't being mean to call

>it so.

>

>amy

>

>

Brown Waxman

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